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Post by Quasar »

No Political Connections wrote:
Quasar wrote:
O-townClown wrote:Honeybaked Ham trumps that cruddy pizza any day. And if you haven't tried it, they somehow make their turkey taste like ham. (Big for me considering I don't usually care for turkey.)
See... I didn't know that!!
No doubt the ham is very good but the pizza is nice when you have to feed a bunch of hungry boys, way cheaper at $5 each.
For the majority that think as I, I say, do not be distracted by the wailing of a few disenchanted voices railing at the fringe.

To those misguided few wanting to leave the protection of our wonderful organization who only think of pizza, I say “let them eat Ham” 8)
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

IMHO, I don't understand why this rule is an issue in the first place. If your son or daughter tries out for, and makes, a team, shouldn't they commit to making the games and practices? How is it fair to their teammates if they miss games and practices? How is that fair to the kids who tried out for, but didn't make, the team? Is there no limit to people's selfishness?

No one ever said kids can't play for Bernie, or any league like his. You just can't do that AND play for a community team. It's not a "punishment", it's a choice.

If people didn't selfishly abuse the system, and if Bernie didn't encourage it, then there wouldn't be the need for a rule. Novel concept, I know.
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Post by InigoMontoya »

JD, why does there need to be a rule? If the kid doesn't go to practice, the coaches have the option to not select the kid next go around. The kid/parents aren't the only ones with a choice.
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Post by keepurheadup »

JDUBBS1280 wrote:

If people didn't selfishly abuse the system, and if Bernie didn't encourage it, then there wouldn't be the need for a rule. Novel concept, I know.
Have people actually heard Bernie encourage skipping your community/association practices and games? I know a couple of families that do both choice and association and I've never heard from them that it's encouraged. MM has a rule for most of their teams that you can't miss more than 4 practices or games without risking suspension. Seems like it would've been much easier for MNH to make a similar rule...
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Post by InigoMontoya »

I've never heard an attendance policy for choice leagues. There are many kids that miss many more than 4 practices.

In my experience, the parents that create rules limiting the choices of other kids/parents do so because they don't want to spend the time or money providing that experience for their own kids, but they don't want someone else getting something more than their kid gets.
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Post by royals dad »

InigoMontoya wrote:I've never heard an attendance policy for choice leagues. There are many kids that miss many more than 4 practices.

In my experience, the parents that create rules limiting the choices of other kids/parents do so because they don't want to spend the time or money providing that experience for their own kids, but they don't want someone else getting something more than their kid gets.
I had a player on a baseball team I coached this year who was signed up for baseball, soccer, golf lessons, music lessons, religion class,... All evenings and all at the same time. For my team he would show up for just a few practices but then need to leave early, he would miss some games as well. It was difficult to coach a team with a player like that on it. These are team sports, when you sign up you make a commitment to the team. Granted all of our kids are over-scheduled and there are family, school, and religious activities that will always trump athletics but why anyone signs up for two team sports at the same time is beyond me (except with some season overlaps such as football bleeding into hockey).

Do a skating clinic or something if you need more in season ice but pick one team or league and keep your commitment to that team. I am not trying to tell you how to parent but how to be part of a team, it stinks to coach kids who show up part time. The rules just put you into lose lose situations when you have to enforce them, suspending 9 year olds because their mom and dad need to sign them up for 10 things at the same time. It blows that your putting coaches into that position.
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

keepurheadup wrote:
JDUBBS1280 wrote:

If people didn't selfishly abuse the system, and if Bernie didn't encourage it, then there wouldn't be the need for a rule. Novel concept, I know.
Have people actually heard Bernie encourage skipping your community/association practices and games? I know a couple of families that do both choice and association and I've never heard from them that it's encouraged. MM has a rule for most of their teams that you can't miss more than 4 practices or games without risking suspension. Seems like it would've been much easier for MNH to make a similar rule...
I wouldn't have said it if I hadn't heard it first-hand.
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

InigoMontoya wrote:I've never heard an attendance policy for choice leagues. There are many kids that miss many more than 4 practices.

In my experience, the parents that create rules limiting the choices of other kids/parents do so because they don't want to spend the time or money providing that experience for their own kids, but they don't want someone else getting something more than their kid gets.
Religious activities, family events, ect... are one thing. Missing numerous practices and games because you are attending another league's practices and games is selfish.

Really, this whole thing is common sense. The fact that some people don't have enough common sense is the reason a rule is needed in the first place.

If you don't undestand the concept of making a commitment and sticking to it, then all I can say is that is really, really sad.
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

royals dad wrote:
InigoMontoya wrote:I've never heard an attendance policy for choice leagues. There are many kids that miss many more than 4 practices.

In my experience, the parents that create rules limiting the choices of other kids/parents do so because they don't want to spend the time or money providing that experience for their own kids, but they don't want someone else getting something more than their kid gets.
I had a player on a baseball team I coached this year who was signed up for baseball, soccer, golf lessons, music lessons, religion class,... All evenings and all at the same time. For my team he would show up for just a few practices but then need to leave early, he would miss some games as well. It was difficult to coach a team with a player like that on it. These are team sports, when you sign up you make a commitment to the team. Granted all of our kids are over-scheduled and there are family, school, and religious activities that will always trump athletics but why anyone signs up for two team sports at the same time is beyond me (except with some season overlaps such as football bleeding into hockey).

Do a skating clinic or something if you need more in season ice but pick one team or league and keep your commitment to that team. I am not trying to tell you how to parent but how to be part of a team, it stinks to coach kids who show up part time. The rules just put you into lose lose situations when you have to enforce them, suspending 9 year olds because their mom and dad need to sign them up for 10 things at the same time. I blows that your putting coaches into that position.
Well said. Thank you! It is tough to maintain perspective when you're dealing with your children. We all want what is best for our kids. However, Minnesota Hockey is looking out for the best interest of ALL our kids.

Agree with the rule or not, at least people need to realize that the rule wasn't implemented on a whym (spelling?) or with any malicious intentions.
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Post by Lord Baltimore »

I think the fundamental question you must ask yourself is do you think that Minnesota Made and Minnesota Hockey competes for players?

I know some do both programs so that blurs the line a bit but is that the majority or the minority few? I need clarification there.

However, if you beleive they do in fact compete for players, then what is the next step in the logic? Competition is usually seen as a good thing to the free market believers here and I don't disagree. Competition in theory should benefit the player right? It provides great things like choice, flexibility to name a few.

Now, if you do in fact deem MM and MH competitors, a whole new set of rules should apply in regards to where kids play. Think of it this way. If I work for Pepsi, I can't also work for Coke. Also, if I work for Pepsi, normally I couldn't quit today and start at Coke tomorrow in a similiar capacity because of a non-compete agreement that Pepsi probably would have made me sign. You don't think this applies to youth athletics? The Minnesota State High School League (still youth athletics) would disagree with you. If you participate on a MSHL sanctioned team you not only can't play on any other team, you can't play another sport...period. There are a few minor exceptions, but for the most part the athelete is restricted to one team, one sport per season. So in essence, if the two entities (MH and MM) are truly competitors, competing for the services of the players and ultimately the checkbook of the parents, then players should be restricted to one program or the other.

If you don't believe that MM and MH comeptes for players, then this logic doesn't apply.
Who are those guys?
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Post by JoltDelivered »

Lord...I beleive with the court's ruling, they don't view this a competition over player argument but I do see your point.

At the end of the day when you strip it all away, it does come down to a battle over access to the the checkbooks of mom and dad.
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Post by old goalie85 »

Royal dad- Very well said!!! We miss hockey for football[not try-outs], Summer hockey for soccer/baseball, always trying to put the inseason team ahead of the other. When spring soccer started for my daughter we missed soccer for hockey. But to join two team sports @ once is kinda selfish on the part of the parents.
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Post by buttend »

HockeyDad41 wrote:I'm no marketing genius, but if the intent is to create a Tier 1 team that will compete nationally in the winter season, why didn't they say that in the information they sent out?

If you call to MM and talk with them they are not saying anything about creating a tier 1 winter team.

Unless the marketing strategy is to completely lie to everyone about their intentions, I tend to believe this is just a tweak to their already existing summer program.

Of course maybe I am just being naive :D


Mn Made started out with 4 teams

2007 ...............................................2012
Machine............................................Machine Orange
Duece................................Torspo.....Machine Black
Snipers............................................... ?
Grinders...........................................Force


Now you decide where Team Walser fits in the MN Made heirarchy!
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

Lord Baltimore wrote:I think the fundamental question you must ask yourself is do you think that Minnesota Made and Minnesota Hockey competes for players?

I know some do both programs so that blurs the line a bit but is that the majority or the minority few? I need clarification there.

However, if you beleive they do in fact compete for players, then what is the next step in the logic? Competition is usually seen as a good thing to the free market believers here and I don't disagree. Competition in theory should benefit the player right? It provides great things like choice, flexibility to name a few.

Now, if you do in fact deem MM and MH competitors, a whole new set of rules should apply in regards to where kids play. Think of it this way. If I work for Pepsi, I can't also work for Coke. Also, if I work for Pepsi, normally I couldn't quit today and start at Coke tomorrow in a similiar capacity because of a non-compete agreement that Pepsi probably would have made me sign. You don't think this applies to youth athletics? The Minnesota State High School League (still youth athletics) would disagree with you. If you participate on a MSHL sanctioned team you not only can't play on any other team, you can't play another sport...period. There are a few minor exceptions, but for the most part the athelete is restricted to one team, one sport per season. So in essence, if the two entities (MH and MM) are truly competitors, competing for the services of the players and ultimately the checkbook of the parents, then players should be restricted to one program or the other.

If you don't believe that MM and MH comeptes for players, then this logic doesn't apply.
This rule doesn't prohibit players from choosing to play for Minnesota Made or any other league. It just says that you cannot play for that league and a community team.

Here's a REALLY novel concept. If guys like Bernie McBain would be a little more flexible and not pressure kids to miss their community team practices and games, this rule never would have come into existence.

Two leagues at once is just too much for a kid to commit to. If you're having problems seeing that, you should probably step back and think about what you're doing to your child IMO.
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Post by Sunsetcliffs98 »

Lord Baltimore wrote:I think the fundamental question you must ask yourself is do you think that Minnesota Made and Minnesota Hockey competes for players?

I know some do both programs so that blurs the line a bit but is that the majority or the minority few? I need clarification there.

However, if you beleive they do in fact compete for players, then what is the next step in the logic? Competition is usually seen as a good thing to the free market believers here and I don't disagree. Competition in theory should benefit the player right? It provides great things like choice, flexibility to name a few.

Now, if you do in fact deem MM and MH competitors, a whole new set of rules should apply in regards to where kids play. Think of it this way. If I
work for Pepsi, I can't also work for Coke. Also, if I work for Pepsi, normally I couldn't quit today and start at Coke tomorrow in a similiar capacity because of a non-compete agreement that Pepsi probably would have made me sign. You don't think this applies to youth athletics? The Minnesota State High School League (still youth athletics) would disagree with you. If you participate on a MSHL sanctioned team you not only can't play on any other team, you can't play another sport...period. There are a few minor exceptions, but for the most part the athelete is restricted to one team, one sport per season. So in essence, if the two entities (MH and MM) are truly competitors, competing for the services of the players and ultimately the checkbook of the parents, then players should be restricted to one program or the other.

If you don't believe that MM and MH comeptes for players, then this logic doesn't apply.

I'm not sure the Coke/Pepsi analogy works. Sure you cannot work for a competitor. But a consumer can choose to drink either. A participant in athletics is simply a consumer and is free to choose what they want to do.
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Post by InigoMontoya »

Thank you for the parenting class.

However, perhaps you don't know HD41's situation. Maybe he comes from a really terrible association, I mean really, really bad, where it seems as though the adults are trying to win an award for worst association, it just couldn't be that bad otherwise - and believe me, there are plenty of them out there that are putting in a good effort to challenge for the title. HD41 would like for his kid to learn how to skate, which he, in his heart-of-hearts, does not believe will happen at his association, so he signs him up at MM. However, HD41 is also civic-minded and wants to support his community, his kid's buddies, and is still hoping that someday the boneheads running the show will politely step aside and give someone else a shot, so he also signs him up for the local mite program which probably practices 2 - 2.5 hours a week. Does HD41 deserve your rath? Do you honestly feel he's abusing his kid? Do you honestly think he's hurting you or your kid? I'm not seeing it. If you don't like what HD41 is doing and you feel that his kid detracts from your team, then don't pick him. But either way, get off your 'I'm a better parent than you' soapbox.
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

InigoMontoya wrote:Thank you for the parenting class.

However, perhaps you don't know HD41's situation. Maybe he comes from a really terrible association, I mean really, really bad, where it seems as though the adults are trying to win an award for worst association, it just couldn't be that bad otherwise - and believe me, there are plenty of them out there that are putting in a good effort to challenge for the title. HD41 would like for his kid to learn how to skate, which he, in his heart-of-hearts, does not believe will happen at his association, so he signs him up at MM. However, HD41 is also civic-minded and wants to support his community, his kid's buddies, and is still hoping that someday the boneheads running the show will politely step aside and give someone else a shot, so he also signs him up for the local mite program which probably practices 2 - 2.5 hours a week. Does HD41 deserve your rath? Do you honestly feel he's abusing his kid? Do you honestly think he's hurting you or your kid? I'm not seeing it. If you don't like what HD41 is doing and you feel that his kid detracts from your team, then don't pick him. But either way, get off your 'I'm a better parent than you' soapbox.
If a parent is unhappy with the association that his child plays for, then the decision to play JUST in a league like Minnesota Made should be an easy one. What's the issue?

Again, this rule isn't prohibiting ANYONE from playing in a league outside their community association. You just can't play in both.

And I'm not on a soap box. I am expressing my opinion, which I should be entitled to do. I think it is EXTREMELY selfish to have your child commit to play on a team and then not follow through on that commitment.

Again, if kids weren't missing practices and games, there would never have been a rule implemented.

Maybe instead of telling me to get off my soap box, you should take a step back and for once think of someone other than yourself and your child.
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Post by SnowedIn »

Lord Baltimore wrote:I think the fundamental question you must ask yourself is do you think that Minnesota Made and Minnesota Hockey competes for players?

I know some do both programs so that blurs the line a bit but is that the majority or the minority few? I need clarification there.

However, if you beleive they do in fact compete for players, then what is the next step in the logic? Competition is usually seen as a good thing to the free market believers here and I don't disagree. Competition in theory should benefit the player right? It provides great things like choice, flexibility to name a few.

Now, if you do in fact deem MM and MH competitors, a whole new set of rules should apply in regards to where kids play. Think of it this way. If I work for Pepsi, I can't also work for Coke. Also, if I work for Pepsi, normally I couldn't quit today and start at Coke tomorrow in a similiar capacity because of a non-compete agreement that Pepsi probably would have made me sign. You don't think this applies to youth athletics? The Minnesota State High School League (still youth athletics) would disagree with you. If you participate on a MSHL sanctioned team you not only can't play on any other team, you can't play another sport...period. There are a few minor exceptions, but for the most part the athelete is restricted to one team, one sport per season. So in essence, if the two entities (MH and MM) are truly competitors, competing for the services of the players and ultimately the checkbook of the parents, then players should be restricted to one program or the other.

If you don't believe that MM and MH comeptes for players, then this logic doesn't apply.

MN Hockey should have and now is probably going to do what it should have done years ago - institute an attendance policy. That's all that is needed here. This covers kids that miss practice/games for other hockey, other soccer - football - chess - etc activities that overlap. Don't show committment to the team and you will receive whatever sanctions the club wishes to announce and enforce. And risk not making the team next season.

It seems the courts are headed toward siding with an antitrust verdict against MH.

Everyone has their opinion as to whether MM is competing or offering an added developmental opportunity or both. At the end, everyone gets to keep their opinion. MM will likely get to keep its business model and offer its services. Because you like MM doesn't mean it will stay in business. Because you don't like MM doesn't mean it will go out of business. It will stay in business if it is providing a product that a "segment" of the consumer market values. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER BUSINESS. You may not be in that market segment. Does it mean it can't exist? And just like any other business it should be protected from illegal business practices.

If you don't like fast food, you choose not to go to McD's, but it still exists. Big brother is not eliminating it from your choice list.

The final court decision will dictate whether or not what MH was doing is illegal. Everyone's opinions after that will not matter.

Personally, I think MM offers a great product to provide additional training to supplement association hockey. More ice, more reps, quality instructors = better hockey players. That's a fact! If that's important to you, it's available at MM and some other places - development programs, 3 on 3 leagues, training centers. For those that want to do 2/3/4 of these, they should be free to do so if they can. I don't want big brother to ban my choice to do that, any more than I want BB to ban any other business that is providing a "legal" service that provides value to someone that needs/wants it.

And realize that the "majority" of those kids that are doing the extras obviously love hockey and are dedicated to getting better. Many of those kids will be the most improved players by the end of the season and their dedication to the sport will help out the team in a positive way. And don't kid yourself, like other's have posted, this threatens many parents that who don't do the extras and is the primary reason they object to it. Some kids will continue to do this year and year out. Some may not like both and stop doing it. It's their choice. It's not MH's choice, or anyone elses choice, to make.

If Associations want to ensure committment to the team, introduce and strictly enforce attendance policies. As long as the player follows the policy and demonstrates their committment to the team, that's all that matters right??

If they don't enforce an attendance/committment policy, and if they don't offer a great hockey product that may keep more parents and kids from seeking alternatives, then they have no right to point fingers at anyone but themselves. IMO
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Post by InigoMontoya »

I'm not thinking of myself or my child; I'm thinking of HD41 and his child. Is that your concern as well; the wellbeing of Little HD?
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

InigoMontoya wrote:Thank you for the parenting class.

However, perhaps you don't know HD41's situation. Maybe he comes from a really terrible association, I mean really, really bad, where it seems as though the adults are trying to win an award for worst association, it just couldn't be that bad otherwise - and believe me, there are plenty of them out there that are putting in a good effort to challenge for the title. HD41 would like for his kid to learn how to skate, which he, in his heart-of-hearts, does not believe will happen at his association, so he signs him up at MM. However, HD41 is also civic-minded and wants to support his community, his kid's buddies, and is still hoping that someday the boneheads running the show will politely step aside and give someone else a shot, so he also signs him up for the local mite program which probably practices 2 - 2.5 hours a week. Does HD41 deserve your rath? Do you honestly feel he's abusing his kid? Do you honestly think he's hurting you or your kid? I'm not seeing it. If you don't like what HD41 is doing and you feel that his kid detracts from your team, then don't pick him. But either way, get off your 'I'm a better parent than you' soapbox.
One more thing. Where the heck do you get off using a word like "rath"? I have heard words like "punishment" and "rath" thrown out in reference to this rule and I can't help but shake my head.

There is ZERO punishment. There is ZERO rath. No one is being issued any punishment. People are being presented a CHOICE. Pick a league and commit to it. Again, not rocket science, so I really don't understand why you are having such a problem understanding this.

If you like your community association, great, have your kid play for a team there. If you don't, that's fine. Either move or have your child play for Minnesota Made. Simple.

If you don't think your child is getting enough development, then sign him\her up for a camp, or a summer, spring, or fall league to suppliment their learning.

What you can stop doing is trying to spin this issue in a way to make it sound like kids are being punished. They aren't. No one is denying anyone an opportunity to play. The ONLY people who have an issue with this rule are the people who want to abuse the system. The people who don't understand the concept of commitment.
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Post by JDUBBS1280 »

InigoMontoya wrote:I'm not thinking of myself or my child; I'm thinking of HD41 and his child. Is that your concern as well; the wellbeing of Little HD?
If he\she doesn't like their community association, then I REALLY don't see what the issue is. Play for Minnesota Made. No one is preventing that.

It ONLY becomes a problem if they want to play for Minnesota Made and their community association. But I thought their community association was so horrible, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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Post by SnowedIn »

JDUBBS1280 wrote:
InigoMontoya wrote:Thank you for the parenting class.

However, perhaps you don't know HD41's situation. Maybe he comes from a really terrible association, I mean really, really bad, where it seems as though the adults are trying to win an award for worst association, it just couldn't be that bad otherwise - and believe me, there are plenty of them out there that are putting in a good effort to challenge for the title. HD41 would like for his kid to learn how to skate, which he, in his heart-of-hearts, does not believe will happen at his association, so he signs him up at MM. However, HD41 is also civic-minded and wants to support his community, his kid's buddies, and is still hoping that someday the boneheads running the show will politely step aside and give someone else a shot, so he also signs him up for the local mite program which probably practices 2 - 2.5 hours a week. Does HD41 deserve your rath? Do you honestly feel he's abusing his kid? Do you honestly think he's hurting you or your kid? I'm not seeing it. If you don't like what HD41 is doing and you feel that his kid detracts from your team, then don't pick him. But either way, get off your 'I'm a better parent than you' soapbox.
One more thing. Where the heck do you get off using a word like "rath"? I have heard words like "punishment" and "rath" thrown out in reference to this rule and I can't help but shake my head.

There is ZERO punishment. There is ZERO rath. No one is being issued any punishment. People are being presented a CHOICE. Pick a league and commit to it. Again, not rocket science, so I really don't understand why you are having such a problem understanding this.

If you like your community association, great, have your kid play for a team there. If you don't, that's fine. Either move or have your child play for Minnesota Made. Simple.

What you can stop doing is trying to spin this issue in a way to make it sound like kids are being punished. They aren't. No one is denying anyone an opportunity to play. The ONLY people who have an issue with this rule are the people who want to abuse the system. The people who don't understand the concept of commitment.

And that's why we have a court system to help sort out matters like these. What you think is a simple choose this or choose that scenario, others think is taking options away scenario. It's all a matter of opinion. However, if MH is deemed to be using its power illegally then those others' opinions will prevail. If MH hockey is deemed to be fairly exercising its authority then your opinion will prevail. Either way the RATH of the courts will dictate.
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Post by interestedbystander »

JDUBBS1280 wrote:However, Minnesota Hockey is looking out for the best interest of ALL our kids.
NO....
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Post by Deep Breath »

I've been involved with the Choice League for 4 years. Never once have I ever heard anybody associated with MM ever utter anything remotely close to "you better miss your association game/practice so you can be at Choice." Not saying it hasn't happened, but having spent the better part of the last 4 years around that league and the poeple who run it, I've never heard it.

Also, when we reference all of the poor associaiton coaches and families that all being victimized by the selfish families that have kids doing both Choice and Association, are we talking about the mini-mites, mites, squirts or peewees? I have a hard time believing there are mite association coaches out there wringing their hands because they are a player or two short for that pivitol cross-ice game against the other mite team in their association; or that a player or two may be missing out on "let's gather in a circle for the first 10 minutes of practice and we'll teach you how to squat down without falling". I have coached in the Association for 5 years at the younger levels; i know what kinds of practices are run and my kids have done both Choice and Association. Nobody is being scarred.

As far as the peewee supplemental league goes, call Bernie today and see if it is going to cause a problem if your son or daughter misses either a Sunday night or Wednesday night session because he/she has an Association conflict. He will say fine.

In addition, you read all the time on this board that "youth hockey doesn't matter until they are 14 or 15". Well, if that's true, nobody should care if a player or two from a mite or squirt association team misses an occasional game or practice.
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Post by @hockeytweet »

Team Walser and MM announced their 99 level coach yesterday. No mention of the sinister Tier 1 program. Only to start skating together in the Summer of 2012. To get back this back on topic, I don't believe that Walser gives a damn if your kids skates in your association, MM, or both. They just want to fill 5-6 birthyear's worth of summer hockey teams.
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