2011-12 Open Coaching Positions

BlueLine77 · Post by **BlueLine77** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:45 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:High school hockey is less expensive as compared to traveling teams so I don't think money is a driving force in their behavior. It's frustration that they have lost power and control over what,where and when their kid plays. They probably don't have the direct access to the HS coach as they did their kids youth coaches.

Agree that they miss the connection/power they had over youth coaches. Disagree that, even though cheaper, money is not a motivating factor in parent complaints at the high school level. Entitlement. Parents believe: I paid the money to the youth, AAA teams, hockey camps, etc. and now my daughter deserves to be in the club. Not just be in the club but have a leadership role.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:51 pm

hockeywild7 wrote:High school hockey is less expensive as compared to traveling teams so I don't think money is a driving force in their behavior. It's frustration that they have lost power and control over what,where and when their kid plays. They probably don't have the direct access to the HS coach as they did their kids youth coaches.

Hockey parents are nuts! You know what I tell parents who complain about their kids' ice time and what team they made... I tell them to tell their kid to work harder and get themselves off of the bubble, that way they never have to worry about it. If your kid is really that good, it'll be way too obvious for the coach to ignore, and ice time will take care of itself...at any level. And if you're pissed off that you made the JV team, then work hard to separate yourself from the rest of the team so you can get called up to varsity. Nothing is permanent unless you decide not to change it!! I've watched seasons of JV games waiting for kids with varsity ability to step up and they never do. They just seem to wallow in contentment, and thats why they stay a JV player. The ones that get called up are the ones who show they deserve to be!!

Rocketwrister · Post by **Rocketwrister** » Wed May 11, 2011 2:53 pm

Hansonbrother wrote:
hockeywild7 wrote:High school hockey is less expensive as compared to traveling teams so I don't think money is a driving force in their behavior. It's frustration that they have lost power and control over what,where and when their kid plays. They probably don't have the direct access to the HS coach as they did their kids youth coaches.
Hockey parents are nuts! You know what I tell parents who complain about their kids' ice time and what team they made... I tell them to tell their kid to work harder and get themselves off of the bubble, that way they never have to worry about it. If your kid is really that good, it'll be way too obvious for the coach to ignore, and ice time will take care of itself...at any level. And if you're pissed off that you made the JV team, then work hard to separate yourself from the rest of the team so you can get called up to varsity. Nothing is permanent unless you decide not to change it!! I've watched seasons of JV games waiting for kids with varsity ability to step up and they never do. They just seem to wallow in contentment, and thats why they stay a JV player. The ones that get called up are the ones who show they deserve to be!!

I agree with Hansonbrother 100%! Very good post!

BeenAround · Post by **BeenAround** » Wed May 11, 2011 5:44 pm

Rocketwrister wrote:
Hansonbrother wrote:
hockeywild7 wrote:High school hockey is less expensive as compared to traveling teams so I don't think money is a driving force in their behavior. It's frustration that they have lost power and control over what,where and when their kid plays. They probably don't have the direct access to the HS coach as they did their kids youth coaches.
Hockey parents are nuts! You know what I tell parents who complain about their kids' ice time and what team they made... I tell them to tell their kid to work harder and get themselves off of the bubble, that way they never have to worry about it. If your kid is really that good, it'll be way too obvious for the coach to ignore, and ice time will take care of itself...at any level. And if you're pissed off that you made the JV team, then work hard to separate yourself from the rest of the team so you can get called up to varsity. Nothing is permanent unless you decide not to change it!! I've watched seasons of JV games waiting for kids with varsity ability to step up and they never do. They just seem to wallow in contentment, and thats why they stay a JV player. The ones that get called up are the ones who show they deserve to be!!
I agree with Hansonbrother 100%! Very good post!

All good points. But when you have 2-3 dads at the HS level as assistants, nepotism plays a bad part and your team is messed up. just like when a coach cuts deals for certain players to play. I'm a believer in karma and nothing good comes out of having all dads on a HS staff. Some parents can see whats happening and have every right to question.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Wed May 11, 2011 6:05 pm

BeenAround wrote:
Rocketwrister wrote:
Hansonbrother wrote: Hockey parents are nuts! You know what I tell parents who complain about their kids' ice time and what team they made... I tell them to tell their kid to work harder and get themselves off of the bubble, that way they never have to worry about it. If your kid is really that good, it'll be way too obvious for the coach to ignore, and ice time will take care of itself...at any level. And if you're pissed off that you made the JV team, then work hard to separate yourself from the rest of the team so you can get called up to varsity. Nothing is permanent unless you decide not to change it!! I've watched seasons of JV games waiting for kids with varsity ability to step up and they never do. They just seem to wallow in contentment, and thats why they stay a JV player. The ones that get called up are the ones who show they deserve to be!!
I agree with Hansonbrother 100%! Very good post!
All good points. But when you have 2-3 dads at the HS level as assistants, nepotism plays a bad part and your team is messed up. just like when a coach cuts deals for certain players to play. I'm a believer in karma and nothing good comes out of having all dads on a HS staff. Some parents can see whats happening and have every right to question.

Been around, I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you. Too many parents working with a team can be a recipe for disaster...especially at the high school level. Its hard enough when the head coach has a kid on the squad to try and be fair to everyone. Now you're talking assistants thrown in the mix as well. I know your team and season can get pretty messed up that way, but the key to a team is not just 3 players. The key to a team is typically your 4th, 5th, and 6th players. Someone has to get the puck, or someone has to be able to bury the puck, and its not always the top players that do all those things. Some do, but most do one or the other. And in this day and age of girls hockey, every team has a top line. However, its the 2nd line that needs to carry the load, whether it be to score or to hold off the other team from scoring. Regardless, those last three players are the key. I know that because a very close source who has won a state championship recently has told me so. In your teams sake, it might be really important for your team to develop that 4th, 5th and 6th player, especially if the coaches kids are going to be on the ice the lions share. Keep in mind, they have to come off the ice sooner or later. And I can tell you this, if the 2nd line can't hold their own, its twice as hard on players that are on the ice all the time, to have to come from behind than it is to play with a lead.

Bill Coleman · Post by **Bill Coleman** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:26 pm

Goalie Pad. You wrote when a parent sees something "unethical" happening on the team it is up to the parent to stand up for the student. This is the problem, and what I was saying earlier. What 'you' as a parent deem unethical is most of the time simply a decision that kept your kid off the ice at a certain time. Sports as well as the classroom are supposed to be about competition. If parents cut the cord when the kids reach high school fewer coaches would hear ice-time issues from parents and more kids would get encouragement at home to work harder instead of lessons on how to make excuses as to why things aren't working out in their lives. Hansonbro said it best. Work harder and separate yourself. I really think the problems many coaches find stems from the ages of the girls when they enter the HS program. I witnessed a quote in the minutes of a blueline club meeting that said, "When you sign up for varsity hockey...." Sounds like youth hockey to me. ENOUGH SAID. This is an endless black hole. Any new coaching changes out there???? How 'bout them RedWings eh?

goaliepad · Post by **goaliepad** » Thu May 12, 2011 1:21 pm

This is definitely a blackhole, but my other question regarding coaches is, "what defines a coach?" a beating heart with no understanding of the game or how to treat individuals, a parent who played hockey but does not know the first thing about coaching. The biggest issue I see is that the AD's at these high schools are filling vacancies without any verification of credentials which leads to conflict and are just hiring a beating heart. I have never in my life as an athlete from the old school of thought, would have ever believed I would see the actions of some coaches who are coaching young athletes and developing behaviors that will lead to nothing but failure as these young adults grow older and move on with their lives. Are there any coaching changes?????

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Thu May 12, 2011 9:50 pm

goaliepad wrote:This is definitely a blackhole, but my other question regarding coaches is, "what defines a coach?" a beating heart with no understanding of the game or how to treat individuals, a parent who played hockey but does not know the first thing about coaching. The biggest issue I see is that the AD's at these high schools are filling vacancies without any verification of credentials which leads to conflict and are just hiring a beating heart. I have never in my life as an athlete from the old school of thought, would have ever believed I would see the actions of some coaches who are coaching young athletes and developing behaviors that will lead to nothing but failure as these young adults grow older and move on with their lives. Are there any coaching changes?????

Goaliepad, I have but one question and one question only.... did you throw your name in the hat of the coaching position of which you so question? You know the one of only a beating heart?

goaliepad · Post by **goaliepad** » Thu May 12, 2011 11:46 pm

Absolutely not, I am not a hockey coach, but have witnessed too much over the last 20+ years and the concept of coaching philosophy and principles have been replaced by a beating heart, someone who is willing to watch things happen instead of make things happen, ie... communication, dedication, being responsible, giving direction, these kids need role models and teachers now more than ever and if you are going to coach, these things need to be addressed, not babysitting but pure fundamental coaching.

hockeywild7 · Post by **hockeywild7** » Fri May 13, 2011 8:02 am

I think HS coaches do a great job overall despite having to work around all the external distractions they are subject too. Sure there are always going to be an occassional "bad" coach as happens in any profession.
Coaches coach teams, parents coach individuals. Being a successful coach isn't all about knowing the X's and O's it's more about dealing with personalities. In my opinion there are alot more parents who need to re-evaluate their own "bad" habits and/or behaviors.

titleist · Post by **titleist** » Fri May 13, 2011 11:19 am

goaliepad wrote:Absolutely not, I am not a hockey coach, but have witnessed too much over the last 20+ years and the concept of coaching philosophy and principles have been replaced by a beating heart, someone who is willing to watch things happen instead of make things happen, ie... communication, dedication, being responsible, giving direction, these kids need role models and teachers now more than ever and if you are going to coach, these things need to be addressed, not babysitting but pure fundamental coaching.

You know, a great coach, a guy I've worked with the past 5 seasons told me something that I'll never forget about coaching.
Winning solves a lot of problems. People (players/parents) are willing to let a lot of "issues" go by when your team is winning. However, when you start to lose, all those problems surface to the top and everyone forgets about yesterdays successes.

I don't believe for a minute that the reason our program is where its at is because of the X's and O's that we teach. Oddly enough, we don't coach alot of X's and O's. We teach our kids to compete, and we let the captains lead. We remind the kids to make the right choices, but it is ultimately up to the kids to decide their fate. We teach our kids commitment to a program and what it takes year in and year out to be at the top and to stay at the top. And if you want to be a champion, you have to be willing to put in the work, and, to out work the other teams. Thats what we coach, not X's and O's. You can draw up the best systems in the world, but if your players don't have the skill sets to make them work, then even the best systems will fail.

Regarding the beating heart coach, I give that coach a lot of credit that he was willing to throw his name in the hat in the first place. You know why? Because he's at least willing to try and make a change, and not just throw mud from the stands. Anyone can do that. I believe that if you want to see something different, put your money where your mouth is...and offer up your time and coach. You don't have to be a great X's and O's guy to be a great coach. There are former NHL guys out there that coach. And there are kids who play for them that can't stand them because they don't know how to communicate with them. Not all of them, but there are some. There are also some parents out there that never played the game who are fantastic coaches because they took the time to learn a little about the game and are simply great with kids. I commend both types of coaches because they both at least offered up their time. Right or wrong, they offered up their time. Now, if you offered up your time and were graciously denied, then you at least have a little skin in the game.

flyingV · Post by **flyingV** » Fri May 13, 2011 12:09 pm

Detroit Lakes head coach position open, original coach resigned this spring, new coach will be the second head coach in the programs history.

hockeygroupie · Post by **hockeygroupie** » Wed May 18, 2011 2:42 pm

allhoc11 wrote:1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -
13. St. Louis Park -
14. Eden Prairie -

Rumor has it Steve Gravgaard accepted coaching position at Faribault...he resigned 3 years ago.

mnhockey3535 · Post by **mnhockey3535** » Fri May 20, 2011 8:20 pm

Lakeville South is posted on the mshsl site

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Mon May 23, 2011 1:56 pm

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan -
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault - Steve Gravgaard
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -
13. St. Louis Park -
14. Eden Prairie -
15. Lakeville South -

Bill Coleman · Post by **Bill Coleman** » Mon May 23, 2011 10:42 pm

New Head Coach at Forest Lake as of today is Ryan Sauter. He will do a great job. He coached the JV last season and has about about a million years worth of coaching experience before that. He is just what the program needs. If the girls follow him, and they will, FL will surely start to make waves in the oh so tough East Suburban Conference. Good Luck Rangers and Coach Sauter.

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Tue May 24, 2011 9:46 am

Bill what are you going to do?? Bantam A's are paid 4,000. Eden Prairie ? When is the last time you talk to Grant??

clutterbucket · Post by **clutterbucket** » Fri May 27, 2011 10:54 pm

You can add Orono to the list

penaltyshot · Post by **penaltyshot** » Mon May 30, 2011 10:29 pm

Chaska/Chanhassen - Tracey Cassano

Rosemount Open

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Tue May 31, 2011 2:24 pm

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan - Tracy Cassano
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault - Steve Gravgaard
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -
13. St. Louis Park -
14. Eden Prairie -
15. Lakeville South -
16. Orono
17. Rosemount

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 1:45 pm

Is it just me that finds it odd that 11 programs still haven't named a coach. The summer contact period has started, and is critical to the development of a program. I would say it would be a big disadvantage to not have a staff in place to run a summer program.

Roman Legion · Post by **Roman Legion** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 4:02 pm

Looks like you can and Alexandria to the list.

This listing is from the SCSU edpost
Head Girls Hockey Coach - Alexandria Public Schools

Posted on 6/6/2011 9:12:37 AM

Date Closing: 06/20/2011

Head Girls Hockey Coaching position.

luckyEPDad · Post by **luckyEPDad** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:54 pm

allhoc11 wrote:Is it just me that finds it odd that 11 programs still haven't named a coach. The summer contact period has started, and is critical to the development of a program. I would say it would be a big disadvantage to not have a staff in place to run a summer program.

May have something to do with no state budget bill passed yet. Schools are not anxious to make any financial commitments. Who needs a coach if you may not have a hockey program.

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:01 pm

luckyEPDad wrote:
allhoc11 wrote:Is it just me that finds it odd that 11 programs still haven't named a coach. The summer contact period has started, and is critical to the development of a program. I would say it would be a big disadvantage to not have a staff in place to run a summer program.
May have something to do with no state budget bill passed yet. Schools are not anxious to make any financial commitments. Who needs a coach if you may not have a hockey program.

Possible I suppose, but I haven't heard of many metro programs considering dropping their hockey program.....that would be sad.

I haven't seen these posted anywhere, but heard from a couple sources that a west metro school, and east side private were open.

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:02 pm

1. Rochester John Marshall - Bob Montrose
2. Minneapolis Novas -
3. AHA - Jon Dundore
4. East Ridge - Craig Norwich
5.Chaska/Chan - Tracy Cassano
6. Bemidji -
7. St. Cloud - Mark Chamernick (was co HC)
8. St. Paul Blades -
9. Forest Lake-
10. Windom -
11- Faribault - Steve Gravgaard
12 - Robbinsdale Armstrong -
13. St. Louis Park -
14. Eden Prairie -
15. Lakeville South -
16. Orono
17. Rosemount
18. Alexandria

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