Mr. Hockey 2010-2011 Watch

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:10 pm

HockeyMN1 wrote:
shakey wrote:
HockeyMN1 wrote: Oh yea I'm the only one on this board
Go do your homework. You have a big game tonight.
Don't belittle me, I'm an adult.

You may be an adult but you still have the intelligence of a 7th grader.

PuckU126 · Post by **PuckU126** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:46 pm

Let's not exacerbate things, Goldy...

ryno44 · Post by **ryno44** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:03 pm

MHGr8ness wrote:
scarlethockey33 wrote:
house69 wrote:NICK DECENZO- HIBBING
Don't you think that Adam Johnson deserves some credit, if not most of the credit, on that Hibbing squad as well? if without Adam Johnson where would Decenzo be statistically as a defensemen?

If Rantanen gets remotely close to Benik's goal record (i'm thinking 60 goals), do you think he at least receives "candidate" status?
or it's vise versa and Johnson needs to thank Decenzo for where his goal total is? My guess is that they both are a big help to each other and their weaker schedule combined with it being his first year putting up big numbers will keep him out. Rantanaen is tricky because it's his first year putting up the numbers, as well. But, he maybe would have had he been here years earlier, too. By the way, are foreigners allowed to win this? I personally feel that he should be mentioned but not win

It's team work, I don't think either of them would be where they are if it weren't for each other.

However, how do you consider their schedule weak? They play Hermantown, Roseau, Warroad, Grand Rapids, Virginia, Central, I'falls, Minnetonka, Little Falls, Mahtomedi, Lakeville North, Duluth Marshall. All those teams are good, the other "point racker" games are Two Harbors and Greenway and they don't win by more than 10.

ryno44 · Post by **ryno44** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:24 pm

chubbs wrote:hendrickson and heinonen are in it because they've both put up big numbers for the past two years. Even playing weaker competition this is impressive to put up big numbers at a younger age and they should be rewarded as seniors. This is decenzo's first year putting up big numbers so it was probably a little late to get into the discussion. Johnson is setting himself up to be a finalist in two years if he keeps it up

I elect Chubbs for Mr. Hockey 2010!

MHGr8ness · Post by **MHGr8ness** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:40 pm

ryno44 wrote:
MHGr8ness wrote:
scarlethockey33 wrote: Don't you think that Adam Johnson deserves some credit, if not most of the credit, on that Hibbing squad as well? if without Adam Johnson where would Decenzo be statistically as a defensemen?

If Rantanen gets remotely close to Benik's goal record (i'm thinking 60 goals), do you think he at least receives "candidate" status?
or it's vise versa and Johnson needs to thank Decenzo for where his goal total is? My guess is that they both are a big help to each other and their weaker schedule combined with it being his first year putting up big numbers will keep him out. Rantanaen is tricky because it's his first year putting up the numbers, as well. But, he maybe would have had he been here years earlier, too. By the way, are foreigners allowed to win this? I personally feel that he should be mentioned but not win
It's team work, I don't think either of them would be where they are if it weren't for each other.

However, how do you consider their schedule weak? They play Hermantown, Roseau, Warroad, Grand Rapids, Virginia, Central, I'falls, Minnetonka, Little Falls, Mahtomedi, Lakeville North, Duluth Marshall. All those teams are good, the other "point racker" games are Two Harbors and Greenway and they don't win by more than 10.

http://www.minnhock.com/strength.htm
compared to the players from the other teams that we are talking about.. weak

scarlethockey33 · Post by **scarlethockey33** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:48 pm

what do you think are some of the most important things to take into account when selecting a list for mr. hockey and ultimately mr. hockey all together?

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:58 am

I doubt Rantenen gets invited, I think they'll look down on him as being a foriegn exchange student. I don't agree with that but he's fighting being from the Big Nine, Southern Minnesota, and being a foriegn exchange student. There's a pretty long history of some really good players getting snubbed because they're from the South. Most notably Doug Zmolek from John Marshall but also Jamie Hoffman from New Ulm

My bet is Rau, and deservedly so.

fivehole628 · Post by **fivehole628** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:12 pm

Heinonen with another 5 goal game (second this year) last night in an 8-2 W over Hutch. But then again... it's Hutch.

Tied with Nick DeCenzo from Hibbing, Adam Johnson from Hibbing and Ville Rantanen from Mankato West for State lead in points (58 ).

standout4thlinejver · Post by **standout4thlinejver** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:16 pm

I would like to add Mike Dockery (sp) from Burnsville to the list. I don't think he has a realistic chance to win, but I can see him making the final 10 list.

BringBackTheBraves11 · Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:24 pm

I really think Dockry deserves a mention. He's 5 points out of the lead in the AA points rankings, he comes up huge in big games, and for all intents and purposes is one of the big reasons Burnsville is 11-3-2 right now.

ryno44 · Post by **ryno44** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:35 pm

boblee#2 wrote:
ryno44 wrote:
keepyourheadup wrote:I didn't mention Hendrickson but yes I would say the same thing about his numbers.
Thank you, Hendrickson is a really good HS player, signed to play with SCSU as a sophmore, helped his team get to state the past couple years, however does that make him mr. hockey? I don't think so, he has good size but I see him struggling in juniors and not doing anything at SCSU, if they still take him. He's not that good as some think and is a crybaby.
Typical Hibbing Critic that we are all sick of that doesnt know much about hockey as we all know hendrickson commited as a junior after leading his team in points by a large margin the last 3 years and leading Team North in the fall elite league the last 2 years in statistics also, and made it all the way to New York for the national deal and stated good numbers out there as well, I wouldn't say he will have a struggling future all I see is a hockey player that will help out any team he belongs to and a great college player if he keeps working at it with size and passion. Also i think Patrick Moore from Grand Rapids could likely squeeze in as a candidate with his tough schedule and his consistent numbers .
Rau will be the favorite as we all should expect and agree on.

THUNDERHAWKS HOCKEY

He committed as a sophmore.

Points aren't a measure of talent, they just show who is an offensive player. A lot of top end players are playing defensive roles this year just as DeCenzo has the past 2 years. You can't just pick the top point scorers like Heinonen and Hendrickson that have scored points the past few years. Hibbing just have had people on their team that play more defense than offense.

RangeHockeyFan1817 · Post by **RangeHockeyFan1817** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:51 pm

ryno44 wrote:
boblee#2 wrote:
ryno44 wrote: Thank you, Hendrickson is a really good HS player, signed to play with SCSU as a sophmore, helped his team get to state the past couple years, however does that make him mr. hockey? I don't think so, he has good size but I see him struggling in juniors and not doing anything at SCSU, if they still take him. He's not that good as some think and is a crybaby.
Typical Hibbing Critic that we are all sick of that doesnt know much about hockey as we all know hendrickson commited as a junior after leading his team in points by a large margin the last 3 years and leading Team North in the fall elite league the last 2 years in statistics also, and made it all the way to New York for the national deal and stated good numbers out there as well, I wouldn't say he will have a struggling future all I see is a hockey player that will help out any team he belongs to and a great college player if he keeps working at it with size and passion. Also i think Patrick Moore from Grand Rapids could likely squeeze in as a candidate with his tough schedule and his consistent numbers .
Rau will be the favorite as we all should expect and agree on.

THUNDERHAWKS HOCKEY
He committed as a sophmore.

Points aren't a measure of talent, they just show who is an offensive player. A lot of top end players are playing defensive roles this year just as DeCenzo has the past 2 years. You can't just pick the top point scorers like Heinonen and Hendrickson that have scored points the past few years. Hibbing just have had people on their team that play more defense than offense.

Wow does this get old.....Hendrickson is a very good player, get over it!!! I'm so sick of hibbing people putting him down just because he is from Virginia, they're not just picking him because of his point totals. He's been looked at by D1 schools since he was a sophmore and you still want to debate whether he's "that good" or not????? Yes DeCenzo is a GOOD player, no he will most likely NOT be up for Mr. Hockey, you have no argument.

WHAFightingSaints · Post by **WHAFightingSaints** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:14 pm

All these Class A players that are being mentioned without a doubt are good players. I just believe that the numbers these players are putting up are inflated, the competition they play against on most nights is not nearly as strong as what most of the Class AA candidates are playing against. I understand that the kids have no choice in the schedule they play, but some of these Class A kids mentioned have played some Class AA schools and for the most part were neutralized by similar talent. I just don't believe you can throw the point totals around without looking at the quality of opponents they are playing against. It does however take a good player to put those points up, but not a great player.

UntouchableFlow · Post by **UntouchableFlow** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:32 am

Rau
Everson
Fogarty
Bahe
Hendrickson
Cameranesi
Heinonen
Daly
Reid
Dockry

Scout716 · Post by **Scout716** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:51 am

All players listed are very nice players. also keep in mind this award is based on more then just points produced. School work, Character, etc all play part in the selection process. best of luck to ALL players.

observer · Post by **observer** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:24 pm

also keep in mind this award is based on more then just points produced. School work, Character, etc all play part in the selection process.

Huh? Scout 716, you scouting schoolwork? Maybe the girls award but the boys award seems based entirely on current hockey skills and projected hockey future.

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:38 pm

In all the years for this award, this has to be the least talented group of players. Maybe great kids, but not great players.

scarlethockey33 · Post by **scarlethockey33** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:27 pm

In all the years for this award, this has to be the least talented group of players. Maybe great kids, but not great players.

impact of kids leaving for juniors and AAA programs? I think so also I think there are some great players, but maybe not as many as there were in past years?

Despite the "lack" of talent, Minnesota High School Hockey is still one of the best if not thee best in the nation, so let's just be thankful, many other states don't even come close to the talent that Minnesota can amass even on an "off" year

Minnpuck27 · Post by **Minnpuck27** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:21 am

mulefarm wrote:In all the years for this award, this has to be the least talented group of players. Maybe great kids, but not great players.

I disagree, I do believe this isn't the most talented group..but I would not go as far as saying they are not great players. The only reason this group looks less talented is because there isn't a lead runner for the award yet. There isn't a Bjugstad or a Leddy, it's a closer race this year.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:48 am

mulefarm wrote:In all the years for this award, this has to be the least talented group of players. Maybe great kids, but not great players.

I think some of that peception is due to the lack of high quality NHL prospects in the group. No doubt it is down in that respect. But I am sure some of these guys will be good college players. Naturally some of the departures to junior hockey doesn't help.

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:34 am

Gopher Blog wrote:
mulefarm wrote:In all the years for this award, this has to be the least talented group of players. Maybe great kids, but not great players.
I think some of that peception is due to the lack of high quality NHL prospects in the group. No doubt it is down in that respect. But I am sure some of these guys will be good college players. Naturally some of the departures to junior hockey doesn't help.

Draft wise, it is not down, it’s the norm. The 90 & 91 was a bumper crop of talent, with much deeper pool. Add to that, most of the 91's were under agers (born after 9/15) so they were not even draft eligible till 2010. The 92 birth year was a down year with not a lot of depth, but the 93 birth year is more like previous years prior to 90 & 91. No birth year in the last 10 years measures up to the 90 & 91s.

College wise, that same bumper crop of 90 & 91s has created a log jam of commitments and if you look at most of the top schools, there is just no room for the 92 & 93's seniors (assuming they are honoring their previous commitments), so very few schools even have openings, unless they are willing to play 2-3 years in the USHL.

This senior high school group of 92's & 93s has also had a much larger than usually group of their "top" players leave for Jr. Hockey, CHL & AAA, compared to previous years as most of the top 91's & 92's from last year did finish out their high school senior year in MN.

I think this group of seniors has been mislabeled and talent wise has a lot of very good players that will play at the next level and is very comparable to previous years (other than the 90 & 91's). Perception is not reality in this case.

I would add that outside of MN, they are doing a much better job in developing players who can play at the next level, compared to previous years. There is more competition for those top spots as a result.

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