Intheknow,
After reading the link posted by Snowmass, I still think you have it wrong. Fred isn't critical of the Edina teams, he's critical of Edina parents (and the Edina refs). The truth hurts . . . Seriously, you need to have thicker skin. You live in Edina and your teams win. You're an easy target. Take it in stride and please don't resort to telling Fred that he can't post his observations and opinions. We all see the world differently and the problem with this board and this country is that we have zero tolerance for people who do not support our views. Relax, Intheknow, your part of a winning tradition. I'd gladly have Fred take a few swipes at me as a parent, my community, the hometown refs, my choice of wardrobe, etc., if it meant my son could play for a program that has a rich history of success.
Back to the topic of this thread: Edina beats Prior Lake, 5-1.
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I didn’t know Edinpa had a P in it??InTheKnow wrote:Wow, where do I begin. Here we go again with Fred putting down Edina, his least favorite team. If I remember right, he barely gave them credit last year for winning the whole thing. I saw the game tonight and to say PL outplayed Edina 5 on 5 is a total joke, I bet the shots were 2 to 1 in favor of Edina and they had the territorial advantage most of the time. By the way Fred, from my count the penalties were 6 for each team, hardly and advantage for Edina. Also, I thought the calls were good calls on both teams. If you going to keep evaluating these games, please do them justice and keep your dislike for Edina out of it. Better yet, why don't you just stop going to the Edina games, since you seem to hate them anyway.
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It's actually Postive Affirmation.. and lots of cake....ThePuckStopsHere wrote:I didn’t know Edinpa had a P in it??InTheKnow wrote:Wow, where do I begin. Here we go again with Fred putting down Edina, his least favorite team. If I remember right, he barely gave them credit last year for winning the whole thing. I saw the game tonight and to say PL outplayed Edina 5 on 5 is a total joke, I bet the shots were 2 to 1 in favor of Edina and they had the territorial advantage most of the time. By the way Fred, from my count the penalties were 6 for each team, hardly and advantage for Edina. Also, I thought the calls were good calls on both teams. If you going to keep evaluating these games, please do them justice and keep your dislike for Edina out of it. Better yet, why don't you just stop going to the Edina games, since you seem to hate them anyway.
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I appreciate the support I get on this forum. Thank you all.
I posted this a month ago and if you want to go back a couple years you will find similar words I have written about the Edina association. I am glad they exist, their teams are like the Yankees are to baseball and are a fun part of youth hockey. I have the greatest respect for their organization.
I have no ax to grind in looking at the peewee A teams and try to provide an unbiased view of what happened on the ice. I stand by my observations last night. By the way, In the Know, yes there were six penalties in the game. The sixth one didn't count since both teams were penalized simultaneously resulting in no advantage for the Hornets.
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Associations can’t be measured a common set of standards that show achievement or success. Association success comes from common sense at the board level and a firm, fair, and practical approach to running their programs.
Without these values, an association stumbles mostly because the weak link in association hockey is board elections. Most board elections are after thoughts to busy parents and others interested in the success of the association. The result is the process can be easily corrupted by parents with a single agenda that usually serves their own self-interest.
Edina has a successful association. They have cobbled together a strong internal (meaning within Edina) with a strong D6 affiliation and have indirectly expanded to five ice arenas. Their teams have been successful and this year they are fielding 10 peewee teams.
Jefferson and Kennedy, their neighbors to the south have 7 peewee teams combined. Bloomington has a population of 82,000, and Edina has a population of 46,000.
East of Edina is Richfield and Mpls (the Storm). North is St. Louis Park and Hopkins. West is Eden Prairie. Richfield has two sheets, but not enough teams. They sell ice. St. Louis Park has two sheets and appear to be coming back. Hopkins has one (the Pavillion) and access to two more (Minnetonka). Mpls Storm has access to two sheets at Parade. Eden Prairie has three sheets.
Hopkins has a population of 17,000 that has been stable since 1960. St. Louis Park has been stable at around 45,000 since 1960. Mpls Storm area has been stable also, but has a potential base around 150,000 to draw from. Richfield population has fallen by 4,000 over the past 40 years to 33,000 and Eden Prairie has grown to 62,000.
Edina’s success is not based on a growing population. It is the board and the stability it has offered over the past twenty years and the “moxie” it has had to move with the times. Adjoining associations have not shown similar success.
Hopkins has been stable over the past years but is feeling the pinch this year with three peewee teams and approximately 40-45 kids playing. Eden Prairie has six peewee teams. Mpls Storm has six teams, but that association this year covers most of Mpls.
To me the message is simple, an association becomes the people who run the association. If it is weak and allows a few people to “hi-jack” it and set their own personal agenda, it suffers. If the board fails to do the “hard work”, it fails. A board position regardless of title does not give an individual power so much as it gives them a job jar.
Failing to empty the jar because it is not easy means the board should find someone else. For those board members who try empty the jar and to do the right things for the kids. Congratulations. That is not an easy. But it means that your association should be more successful
I posted this a month ago and if you want to go back a couple years you will find similar words I have written about the Edina association. I am glad they exist, their teams are like the Yankees are to baseball and are a fun part of youth hockey. I have the greatest respect for their organization.
I have no ax to grind in looking at the peewee A teams and try to provide an unbiased view of what happened on the ice. I stand by my observations last night. By the way, In the Know, yes there were six penalties in the game. The sixth one didn't count since both teams were penalized simultaneously resulting in no advantage for the Hornets.
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Associations can’t be measured a common set of standards that show achievement or success. Association success comes from common sense at the board level and a firm, fair, and practical approach to running their programs.
Without these values, an association stumbles mostly because the weak link in association hockey is board elections. Most board elections are after thoughts to busy parents and others interested in the success of the association. The result is the process can be easily corrupted by parents with a single agenda that usually serves their own self-interest.
Edina has a successful association. They have cobbled together a strong internal (meaning within Edina) with a strong D6 affiliation and have indirectly expanded to five ice arenas. Their teams have been successful and this year they are fielding 10 peewee teams.
Jefferson and Kennedy, their neighbors to the south have 7 peewee teams combined. Bloomington has a population of 82,000, and Edina has a population of 46,000.
East of Edina is Richfield and Mpls (the Storm). North is St. Louis Park and Hopkins. West is Eden Prairie. Richfield has two sheets, but not enough teams. They sell ice. St. Louis Park has two sheets and appear to be coming back. Hopkins has one (the Pavillion) and access to two more (Minnetonka). Mpls Storm has access to two sheets at Parade. Eden Prairie has three sheets.
Hopkins has a population of 17,000 that has been stable since 1960. St. Louis Park has been stable at around 45,000 since 1960. Mpls Storm area has been stable also, but has a potential base around 150,000 to draw from. Richfield population has fallen by 4,000 over the past 40 years to 33,000 and Eden Prairie has grown to 62,000.
Edina’s success is not based on a growing population. It is the board and the stability it has offered over the past twenty years and the “moxie” it has had to move with the times. Adjoining associations have not shown similar success.
Hopkins has been stable over the past years but is feeling the pinch this year with three peewee teams and approximately 40-45 kids playing. Eden Prairie has six peewee teams. Mpls Storm has six teams, but that association this year covers most of Mpls.
To me the message is simple, an association becomes the people who run the association. If it is weak and allows a few people to “hi-jack” it and set their own personal agenda, it suffers. If the board fails to do the “hard work”, it fails. A board position regardless of title does not give an individual power so much as it gives them a job jar.
Failing to empty the jar because it is not easy means the board should find someone else. For those board members who try empty the jar and to do the right things for the kids. Congratulations. That is not an easy. But it means that your association should be more successful
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On the scores, I have a question. how do the lets play hockey rankings work? there are teams ranked that haven't even won a game in their league. chaska and chanhassen have no wins and 5 losses in their league. they lost to shakopee and jefferson and I think they were beat 2x by white bear lake in duluth. But they are ranked. How? I don't mean to pick on chaska, i'm sure there are other teams like that too. I just don't know how the rankings work.
hockeygirl2 wrote:On the scores, I have a question. how do the lets play hockey rankings work? there are teams ranked that haven't even won a game in their league. chaska and chanhassen have no wins and 5 losses in their league. they lost to shakopee and jefferson and I think they were beat 2x by white bear lake in duluth. But they are ranked. How? I don't mean to pick on chaska, i'm sure there are other teams like that too. I just don't know how the rankings work.
Hockeygirl2,
I'd go here for a better ranking system; http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2010&a=p&v=164
It's based on math. I don't know math, but I trust it more than I do anonymous hacks on the net.
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Thanks. I'm just working the late shift and I had some time to look through them. Seems a little more accurate although you might be able to quibble with a few of the top rankings. It seemed to take care of the teams like chaska who is listed with a record of 4-8-1 by moving them down in the rankings. But there are still a few head scratchers like Duluth east who is listed as 5-11-1 and is in the top 20. Veri interesting though.
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where should your team be ranked?hockeygirl2 wrote:On the scores, I have a question. how do the lets play hockey rankings work? there are teams ranked that haven't even won a game in their league. chaska and chanhassen have no wins and 5 losses in their league. they lost to shakopee and jefferson and I think they were beat 2x by white bear lake in duluth. But they are ranked. How? I don't mean to pick on chaska, i'm sure there are other teams like that too. I just don't know how the rankings work.
District 10 game
Blaine 3
Anoka 2
Fun game to watch, could have gone either way, Blaine led 2-0 after 1 period, Anoka stormed back in the 2nd period to tie it 2-2. In the 3rd period, Anoka's pressure resulted in a short 2 man advantage powerplay, which Blaine sucessfully killed. Anoka's goalie also stopped 2 breakaways, one being a penalty shot. Blaine's winning goal with about 5 minutes remaining was a point shot that may have been tipped. The very next shift, a tornadoe forwards shot loudly hit the post, but the puck stayed out. Both goalies made some nice saves throughout the game.
Anoka 2
Fun game to watch, could have gone either way, Blaine led 2-0 after 1 period, Anoka stormed back in the 2nd period to tie it 2-2. In the 3rd period, Anoka's pressure resulted in a short 2 man advantage powerplay, which Blaine sucessfully killed. Anoka's goalie also stopped 2 breakaways, one being a penalty shot. Blaine's winning goal with about 5 minutes remaining was a point shot that may have been tipped. The very next shift, a tornadoe forwards shot loudly hit the post, but the puck stayed out. Both goalies made some nice saves throughout the game.
It looks to me that myhockey ranking is based a lot on how many goals you score on a teamDink45 wrote:hockeygirl2 wrote:On the scores, I have a question. how do the lets play hockey rankings work? there are teams ranked that haven't even won a game in their league. chaska and chanhassen have no wins and 5 losses in their league. they lost to shakopee and jefferson and I think they were beat 2x by white bear lake in duluth. But they are ranked. How? I don't mean to pick on chaska, i'm sure there are other teams like that too. I just don't know how the rankings work.
Hockeygirl2,
I'd go here for a better ranking system; http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2010&a=p&v=164
It's based on math. I don't know math, but I trust it more than I do anonymous hacks on the net.
myhockeyrankings.com is kinda the the BCS for college football. It takes your strngth of schedule into consideration..if you barely beat a team that you should smoke, then it hurts you..if you barely loss to a team that should smoke you then it helps..
Unlike lets play hockey rankings which is a bunch of yahoo's (like us) that rank the teams however they want but you cant rank your own (I believe)
Unlike lets play hockey rankings which is a bunch of yahoo's (like us) that rank the teams however they want but you cant rank your own (I believe)
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Looks can be deceiving, 123hockey. What you should try is reading up on how they calculate things. Then make a blanket asinine judgement. You're opinion will hold more water in life.123hockey wrote:It looks to me that myhockey ranking is based a lot on how many goals you score on a teamDink45 wrote:hockeygirl2 wrote:On the scores, I have a question. how do the lets play hockey rankings work? there are teams ranked that haven't even won a game in their league. chaska and chanhassen have no wins and 5 losses in their league. they lost to shakopee and jefferson and I think they were beat 2x by white bear lake in duluth. But they are ranked. How? I don't mean to pick on chaska, i'm sure there are other teams like that too. I just don't know how the rankings work.
Hockeygirl2,
I'd go here for a better ranking system; http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2010&a=p&v=164
It's based on math. I don't know math, but I trust it more than I do anonymous hacks on the net.
7 goals is the max differential. From myhockeyranking's FAQ page, "Using a max game goal differential of 7 does "penalize" teams that blow out opponents, but this is common in rating systems as it takes away the incentive for teams to run up scores and allows them to have a bad game by capping the mathematical damage." Therefore, one can conclude, after having done a very small amount of research, nay simply reading we should say, that the myhockey ranking is exactly the opposite of your stated opinion. It is not "based a lot on how many goals you score on a team".
I hate to be a dink, but comments like yours simply warrant dinkish behavior.
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Dink,Dink45 wrote:Looks can be deceiving, 123hockey. What you should try is reading up on how they calculate things. Then make a blanket asinine judgement. You're opinion will hold more water in life.123hockey wrote:It looks to me that myhockey ranking is based a lot on how many goals you score on a teamDink45 wrote:
Hockeygirl2,
I'd go here for a better ranking system; http://myhockeyrankings.com/rank.php?y=2010&a=p&v=164
It's based on math. I don't know math, but I trust it more than I do anonymous hacks on the net.
7 goals is the max differential. From myhockeyranking's FAQ page, "Using a max game goal differential of 7 does "penalize" teams that blow out opponents, but this is common in rating systems as it takes away the incentive for teams to run up scores and allows them to have a bad game by capping the mathematical damage." Therefore, one can conclude, after having done a very small amount of research, nay simply reading we should say, that the myhockey ranking is exactly the opposite of your stated opinion. It is not "based a lot on how many goals you score on a team".
I hate to be a dink, but comments like yours simply warrant dinkish behavior.
From a 12/4 scrimmage.
Rosemount 6
Wayzata 5
You are a very angry guy. I said alot not all. Relax !!
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