Three years ago there was a proposal and a lot of conversation about allowing youth players to play in the association where their school was located. We are now in our second season since this rule passed.
Opponents of this rule stated that allowing kids this opportunity would result in parents enrolling their children in a different school and that "All Star" teams would then form similar to AAA hockey programs.
Now that we are in the second season of this rule does anyone have any evidence of this occurring anywhere? I personally have not seen it. I'm not talking about a single kid transferring but a material shift in enrollment that alters the talent level of an associations program.
Just wondering.
Residency Rule
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TriedThat2
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Fidel,
Maybe it is time that you brushed up on your MN Hockey participation rules.
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/news_art ... r_id=80568
Maybe it is time that you brushed up on your MN Hockey participation rules.
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/news_art ... r_id=80568
Angry Guy,TriedThat2 wrote:Fidel,
Maybe it is time that you brushed up on your MN Hockey participation rules.
http://www.minnesotahockey.org/news_art ... r_id=80568
You have me confused. Are you saying that players are not allowed to play in the association where their school is located? Are you upset because I didn't use the term "Participation" instead of "Residence"? Are you mad because I didn't type out all the exceptions and requirements? C'mon, you couldn't even type out my whole name.
Sorry, I am well versed in the rule. (I) Tried to simplify it for quick reading and discussion.
"Beginning in 2010-11, the MH Participation Rule will now allow players the option of 'essentially' playing where they live or where they go to school"
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Last edited by fidelis on Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:44 pm, edited 4 times in total.
Happy Reading>
IV. PARTICIPATION A. RESIDENCY POLICY MH is a community-based amateur hockey program. Members in good standing are to participate on teams from their local association (local affiliate) based on the residence of their parent(s) or legal guardian(s). The boundaries of the geographical area served by each local association are determined by MH and recorded in the Affiliate Agreements. In some circumstances, players may participate in another association by requesting a formal waiver from this policy.
B. RESIDENCY RULE
1. Youth Hockey players must register and participate with the association whose boundaries incorporate the player’s residence. If a player desires to participate on a team from any other association, the player must obtain a waiver. a. All waiver requests must be submitted on a current Waiver Form provided by MH. b. The Waiver Form must indicate the reason for the waiver request. (school attendance, opportunity to play on travel team, co-op team, etc.). c. Any conditions that apply to a waiver must be indicated on the Waiver Form and initialed by all parties executing the waiver. d. Waiver Forms must be signed by the releasing and receiving association presidents before being submitted to the District Director for approval. If the releasing and receiving associations are in two districts, the waiver form must be submitted to both District Directors for approval.
2. Definitions Association of Residence – the association whose boundaries incorporate the player's residence. Association of School Attendance – the association whose boundaries incorporate the location of the school the player attends. Home Association – either the Association of Residence, or the Association of School Attendance to which a player has been properly waived.
3. A waiver shall be granted to any player who wishes to participate in the MH association whose boundaries incorporate the school in which the player is enrolled and is attending. For schools with multiple campuses, the "main" campus shall prevail unless agreed otherwise by the affected District Director(s). Players waived based on school choice shall be deemed to be members of their Association of School Attendance and shall have full rights and privileges accorded to all members of that association, including voting rights. (Exception – see "Changing Schools" below.) Players receiving a waiver based on school attendance shall register with their Association of School Attendance for as long as they are qualified students of that school (including the first year).
4. Players waived for non-school attendance reasons shall be subject to the receiving association's policies in accordance with MH governing documents (e.g. may not be eligible for "A" team, may be assigned to lowest available team, etc.). They shall remain members of their Home Association, not the association they were waived into, with full rights and privileges accorded to all members of their Home Association, including voting rights.
5. Changing Schools a. Players whose Home Association has been based on residence: Players who newly enroll in a school outside of the boundaries of their Association of Residence without a corresponding change of residence, shall elect one of the following: 1. Retain full eligibility to compete at any classification in their Association of Residence; or 2. Be eligible at the "B" classification or lower in their new Association of School Attendance for one (1) year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school (a waiver is required). b. Players whose Home Association has been based on school attendance: Players who newly enroll in a school outside of the boundaries of their Association of School Attendance without a corresponding change of residence, shall elect one of the following: 1. Have full eligibility to compete at any classification in their Association of Residence; or 2. Have full eligibility to compete at any classification in their new Association of School Attendance if they completed the grades of school offered at their former Association of School Attendance; or 3. Be eligible at the "B" classification or lower in their new Association of School Attendance for one (1) year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school if they did not complete the grades of school offered at their former Association of School Attendance. c. Submit unusual circumstances to the District Director for determination. The Director's decision is final.
6. A player that participates without a necessary waiver is considered an ineligible player. Refer to the Section entitled Eligibility Provisions. A waiver must be obtained before a player can participate outside of their Home Association. During a season, a player that registers or participates with one association cannot participate with any other association without a waiver (applies to players with dual residency).
7. A player denied a waiver by his/her Home Association may appeal in writing to the District Director having jurisdiction over the Home Association, who after investigation will issue a ruling. The decision of the District Director is final. Also see Section entitled Eligibility Provisions.
8. Players having dual citizenship, one being the United States, must also conform to the residency rule.
IV. PARTICIPATION A. RESIDENCY POLICY MH is a community-based amateur hockey program. Members in good standing are to participate on teams from their local association (local affiliate) based on the residence of their parent(s) or legal guardian(s). The boundaries of the geographical area served by each local association are determined by MH and recorded in the Affiliate Agreements. In some circumstances, players may participate in another association by requesting a formal waiver from this policy.
B. RESIDENCY RULE
1. Youth Hockey players must register and participate with the association whose boundaries incorporate the player’s residence. If a player desires to participate on a team from any other association, the player must obtain a waiver. a. All waiver requests must be submitted on a current Waiver Form provided by MH. b. The Waiver Form must indicate the reason for the waiver request. (school attendance, opportunity to play on travel team, co-op team, etc.). c. Any conditions that apply to a waiver must be indicated on the Waiver Form and initialed by all parties executing the waiver. d. Waiver Forms must be signed by the releasing and receiving association presidents before being submitted to the District Director for approval. If the releasing and receiving associations are in two districts, the waiver form must be submitted to both District Directors for approval.
2. Definitions Association of Residence – the association whose boundaries incorporate the player's residence. Association of School Attendance – the association whose boundaries incorporate the location of the school the player attends. Home Association – either the Association of Residence, or the Association of School Attendance to which a player has been properly waived.
3. A waiver shall be granted to any player who wishes to participate in the MH association whose boundaries incorporate the school in which the player is enrolled and is attending. For schools with multiple campuses, the "main" campus shall prevail unless agreed otherwise by the affected District Director(s). Players waived based on school choice shall be deemed to be members of their Association of School Attendance and shall have full rights and privileges accorded to all members of that association, including voting rights. (Exception – see "Changing Schools" below.) Players receiving a waiver based on school attendance shall register with their Association of School Attendance for as long as they are qualified students of that school (including the first year).
4. Players waived for non-school attendance reasons shall be subject to the receiving association's policies in accordance with MH governing documents (e.g. may not be eligible for "A" team, may be assigned to lowest available team, etc.). They shall remain members of their Home Association, not the association they were waived into, with full rights and privileges accorded to all members of their Home Association, including voting rights.
5. Changing Schools a. Players whose Home Association has been based on residence: Players who newly enroll in a school outside of the boundaries of their Association of Residence without a corresponding change of residence, shall elect one of the following: 1. Retain full eligibility to compete at any classification in their Association of Residence; or 2. Be eligible at the "B" classification or lower in their new Association of School Attendance for one (1) year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school (a waiver is required). b. Players whose Home Association has been based on school attendance: Players who newly enroll in a school outside of the boundaries of their Association of School Attendance without a corresponding change of residence, shall elect one of the following: 1. Have full eligibility to compete at any classification in their Association of Residence; or 2. Have full eligibility to compete at any classification in their new Association of School Attendance if they completed the grades of school offered at their former Association of School Attendance; or 3. Be eligible at the "B" classification or lower in their new Association of School Attendance for one (1) year beginning with the first day of attendance in the new school if they did not complete the grades of school offered at their former Association of School Attendance. c. Submit unusual circumstances to the District Director for determination. The Director's decision is final.
6. A player that participates without a necessary waiver is considered an ineligible player. Refer to the Section entitled Eligibility Provisions. A waiver must be obtained before a player can participate outside of their Home Association. During a season, a player that registers or participates with one association cannot participate with any other association without a waiver (applies to players with dual residency).
7. A player denied a waiver by his/her Home Association may appeal in writing to the District Director having jurisdiction over the Home Association, who after investigation will issue a ruling. The decision of the District Director is final. Also see Section entitled Eligibility Provisions.
8. Players having dual citizenship, one being the United States, must also conform to the residency rule.
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TriedThat2
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Angry Guy,TriedThat2 wrote:Fidel,
The rule prior to this (two years ago, not three) was, register where you go to school. We are in the first season on automatic waivers for open enrollment. This season's rule is completely different that last year. My post was simply directing you to the corrections.
Reread my post. I didn't state three years ago it was amended. I stated three years ago a member of a local association drafted a "proposal" and submitted it to MN Hockey's Board. I know the guy personally. It wasn't put to a vote at th 2008 Annual Meeting but submitted for further consideration to commitee. It was discussed/edited for a year, and their recommended amendments were finally approved by the board for 2009-10.
We are in the 2nd season of automatic waivers. The rule was amended last year. The 2010-11 is a typo on their part. They cleaned up some language for this year. Yes, I know - my son was affected.
There isn't a halo over your head. Your post was rude, ignorant and incorrect - not "simply" directing me to the corrections. It's not what you say, but how you say it. Being incorrect isn't an issue, the attitude is.
Another great job by someone placing a post that is completely off the topic that was originally introduced! Kudos to you Angry Guy!
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TriedThat2
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JoltDelivered
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St Louis Park has had a large influx of Benilde skaters at the Bantam levels. Both our A and B1 teams are about half Benilde skaters, and both our A and B1 team will be much more competitive because of this rule. The Benilde skaters come from 6 or 8 different associations that I am sure hurts them both competitively and in the pocket book. It is also a big reason why SLP left the co-op with MPLS. Not sure if it is good or bad.
TriedThat2 wrote:Forget the meds this am?
This is the first season of automatic waivers for open enrollment.
Angry guy,
What is this?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.ngin.com ... ntrevA.pdf
As I originally stated, two years ago players could CHOOSE to play where their school was located.
As far as I know there isn't a medication for removing posts from @#$&*s.
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Community Based
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It could be interesting. One opinion is that the Benilde bantam aged kids decided to play with SLP becaue of the strength of the teams because of the co-op with Minneapolis. Will they choose to play with SLP next year if SLP decides to halt the Bantam A co-op with Minneapolis? One opinion says the Benilde players may stay with their community based associations next season should the Mpls-Park Bantam A co-op be dissolved as the teams will not be as strong without the kids from Minneapolis.St Louis Park has had a large influx of Benilde skaters at the Bantam levels. Both our A and B1 teams are about half Benilde skaters, and both our A and B1 team will be much more competitive because of this rule. The Benilde skaters come from 6 or 8 different associations that I am sure hurts them both competitively and in the pocket book. It is also a big reason why SLP left the co-op with MPLS. Not sure if it is good or bad.
how about play where you live
How about play where you live? Does not get any simpler than that. If you dont like your association than move. Parents do a really good job of messing things up and this one of those situations. If you left it up to the kids, my guess would be that the majority of kids would like to stay in their association and play with their buddies.
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trippedovertheblueline
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Re: how about play where you live
play where you live? Sounds good, can you tell me what our options are?packers wrote:How about play where you live? Does not get any simpler than that. If you dont like your association than move. Parents do a really good job of messing things up and this one of those situations. If you left it up to the kids, my guess would be that the majority of kids would like to stay in their association and play with their buddies.
Live in Burnsville but Lakeville school district. Can we play with Burnsville Hockey Association at bantams next year?
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the_juiceman
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Re: how about play where you live
where are you playing now?trippedovertheblueline wrote:play where you live? Sounds good, can you tell me what our options are?packers wrote:How about play where you live? Does not get any simpler than that. If you dont like your association than move. Parents do a really good job of messing things up and this one of those situations. If you left it up to the kids, my guess would be that the majority of kids would like to stay in their association and play with their buddies.
Live in Burnsville but Lakeville school district. Can we play with Burnsville Hockey Association at bantams next year?
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trippedovertheblueline
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Re: how about play where you live
firethe_juiceman wrote:where are you playing now?trippedovertheblueline wrote:play where you live? Sounds good, can you tell me what our options are?packers wrote:How about play where you live? Does not get any simpler than that. If you dont like your association than move. Parents do a really good job of messing things up and this one of those situations. If you left it up to the kids, my guess would be that the majority of kids would like to stay in their association and play with their buddies.
Live in Burnsville but Lakeville school district. Can we play with Burnsville Hockey Association at bantams next year?