Advanced 15 Program

[muckandgrind]

I think anyone would be hard-pressed to say that any of the players on the final roster are not "elite" hockey players. Have there been some pretty good players left off the list? Sure, that always happens.

I think they got it just about right.

Most of the names I see played Varsity or Tier I. Just because Roseau had a couple of pretty good Bantam players who didn't make shouldn't indicate they got robbed. There were LOTS of good Bantam players that didn't make it....Why? Because most of the players picked played at a level above Bantam A last season. It's not really all that hard to understand.

*EDIT*

Here is a list of players that did not play Bantam Hockey last year:

Cammaretta - Shattuck Tier I
Fasching - AV HS
Hartley - Holy Angels HS
Labosky - BSM HS
Moore - BSM HS
Thie - Hopkins HS
Voltin - Hill Murray HS
Rouse (ALT) - Buffalo HS
Scofield (ALT) - Northfield HS
Brodzinksi - Blaine HS
Pietruszewski - SSP HS
Reno - Edina HS
Heinrich - Hill Murray HS
Miska - North Branch HS
Dugas (ALT) - Hill Murray HS
Meyer (ALT) - New Prague HS
Raskob (ALT) - Shattuck Tier I

Out of the 30 players selected (including alternates), only 13 played Bantams. And it's not like Northern Minnesota is not represented. Of the 13 Bantams, SEVEN are from up north:

Duluth East - 3
Hermantown - 1
Thief River Falls - 1
East Grand Forks - 1
Cloquet - 1

I don't know how anyone can really gripe about this list.....

[observer]

Muck,

It's still a before July 1 and after July 1 issue.

Varsity? 2 games makes a varsity player? Check Hockey Hub for stats. They made the National Camp but several would have been better served playing a second year of Bantam A instead of JV. I prefer a player leading a bantam A team, during his second year, refining leadership and scoring 80 points. They select players, not player experience, and in most instances the players develop better playing bantam A.

[OnFrozenPond]

i think this whole program is a waste of money if your not from the cities. ive watched alot of hockey for the 95 age group over the years and seen very few players like strand,yon and okenson from roseau dominate game in and game out with team such as edina and many other big programs just trying to put a plan together to slow those players down. yet not one of them could crack that 20 man roster. its a joke

watchdog, I agree with your observations totally, the so called advanced program has eroded its original intent and guys that should know better are simply playing the political game. My advice if anyone should ask is to save your money and do something else.

Then, IMO, you would be providing very poor advice!

My son participated in the St. Cloud camp but did not make it to the next round. When I picked him up in St. Cloud, he said it was the most FUN he has ever had.

Along the way he received good feedback from both the district and St. Cloud coaches on his strengths and weaknesses as a player. He left the camp motivated to address those and improve as a player.

We were never arrogant enough to assume that just because he had a good Bantam season he would be entitled to any of the roster spots throughout the process so we sweated out each cut. There are a lot of good players in the state. Some were not in St. Cloud for a variety of reasons…slipped through the cracks, poor performance, poor attitude or they did not tryout. One thing that was stressed throughout the week was that they boys should be proud of their accomplishment, but at the same time it doesn’t mean anything in the big picture. Things change over the next several years and there will be a lot of turnover at 16’s and 17’s.

I saw a lot of the games throughout the process and I can honestly say that the boys that made the cut deserve to be there. At the same time, you could switched a few names, I would still be able to make the same statement.

[muckandgrind]

Muck,

It's still a before July 1 and after July 1 issue.

Varsity? 2 games makes a varsity player? Check Hockey Hub for stats. They made the National Camp but several would have been better served playing a second year of Bantam A instead of JV. I prefer a player leading a bantam A team, during his second year, refining leadership and scoring 80 points. They select players, not player experience, and in most instances the players develop better playing bantam A.

Most of the players on that list played more than 2 games of Varsity....and I would contend that Hill Murray JV is still played at a higher level than most, if not all, Bantam A....

Regardless, the players on that team are indeed the cream of the crop when it comes to the top 95s in the State....Did all of the top players make it? Of course not, some were left off....including a certain pretty good player from Minnetonka Bantam A.

It's not perfect, but show me a tryout system that is.

[observer]

Any after July 1s?

[muckandgrind]

Any after July 1s?

I know that Fasching was born after 7/1........I'm sure there are others.....

But you're right.....Many kids born before 7/1 have an extra year of Bantams (or HS) under their belt, so it would also go to figure that they would also be further along, developmentally speaking.

[Nobodyonya]

Any word on the goalies?

Did the other '95 goalie from Hill Murray tryout as I have not seen his name listed anywhere from beginning to end? From what I have seen of him in the past he is very solid

[muckandgrind]

Any word on the goalies?

Did the other '95 goalie from Hill Murray tryout as I have not seen his name listed anywhere from beginning to end? From what I have seen of him in the past he is very solid

Dugas and Munson both tried out.

[northwoods oldtimer]

watchdog, I should have added this important point regarding how this program is run. Observations of its current format seem to reward selfish individual play that is the political point of the program that bugs me from an evaluation standpoint. I wish to make no claims that there was a hidden agenda on who is picked for these teams that is not my beef about the advanced program. It simply comes down to rewarding selfish play in a game that is best utilized and most entertaining when 6 men ( from each team on the ice) are involved in playing the game.

[mghockey18]

watchdog, I should have added this important point regarding how this program is run. Observations of its current format seem to reward selfish individual play that is the political point of the program that bugs me from an evaluation standpoint. I wish to make no claims that there was a hidden agenda on who is picked for these teams that is not my beef about the advanced program. It simply comes down to rewarding selfish play in a game that is best utilized and most entertaining when 6 men ( from each team on the ice) are involved in playing the game.

Did you watch any games? There is a reason why 7 players from the winning team advanced to the final stage. They played as a team.

[greybeard58]

Does anyone have a breakdown of which Districts the advancing players came from?

[muckandgrind]

Does anyone have a breakdown of which Districts the advancing players came from?

District 1 = 1
District 2 = 1
District 3 = 4
District 4 = 1
District 5 = 1
District 6 = 6
District 8 = 4
District 10 = 5
District 11 = 5
District 12 = 0
District 15 = 0
District 16 = 2

[dumbpuck]

Fellas,

Soon we will be talking about whether is it better to skip out of Highschool early and play juniors or not.

This answer is the same as to whether or not you should play Varsity or Bantams. The Answer is "The situation you are in - the program- what is best for the kid.

Playing Varsity for Hill Murray tends to be a pretty good gig- but how about playing Varisty for Sartell, Wadena etc.??

Playing Bantams with 65 games against the top teams in the state and Shattuck may be a better choice - then playing Varsity at Cloquet or many other Highschool teams that play 20 some games and half of those games are against weak teams.

A kid form the iron range leaving school early to play in juniors is a totally different situation then the kid leaving Edina.

THere are several 8th graders that played varsity in smaller towns that would not even make a great Bantam team.- its the situation

[sioux]

How about a congratulations to all participants that were fortunate enough to make it to St. Cloud. To be included with the best players from the State of Hockey is quite an accomplishment.

Hats off to all participants and best of luck in the future.

[hockeyfan893]

[quote="sioux"]How about a congratulations to all participants that were fortunate enough to make it to St. Cloud. To be included with the best players from the State of Hockey is quite an accomplishment.

Hats off to all participants and best of luck in the future.[/quote]

Agreed. Congratulations to all who made it to St. Cloud, and an even bigger congratulations to those who made it to the national camp. Every single person on that roster is a good hockey player. Best of luck to all players who participated.

[Ugottobekiddingme]

Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.

[muckandgrind]

Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.

Ummmm.......Maple Grove is in District 3, not 10.

And to answer your question about District 10 players and who were the "go to players" within their association??? Only 1. Why? Because the rest didn't even PLAY association hockey last season, they played at the HS level.

With regards to the Maple Grove players...are you saying that Cammaretta and Gross are not "go to players", either? Cammaretta might just be the very best 95 in the state, and Gross one of the best defensemen.

[mghockey18]

Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.

Ummmm.......Maple Grove is in District 3, not 10.

And to answer your question about District 10 players and who were the "go to players" within their association??? Only 1. Why? Because the rest didn't even PLAY association hockey last season, they played at the HS level.

With regards to the Maple Grove players...are you saying that Cammaretta and Gross are not "go to players", either? Cammaretta might just be the very best 95 in the state, and Gross one of the best defensemen.

He's referring to Jake Flemming who coaches the Elk River Bantam A team. That's his "indirect affiliation". Why not congratulate those who made it, ugottabekiddingme? You're making yourself sound like an angry parent who has too big of an ego.

[muckandgrind]

Looks like someone has tripped over the land wire booby trap set by D10mg18 and Greybeard looking for approval. Before acknowledging mediocrity within the advanced 15 placement, someone should ask why 1/3 of the players are coming from D10 which includes Maple Grove players indirectly affiliated with D10 coaches. Which one of these guys were the "go to players" that gave their association a chance? Makes no difference to me...it's your dime.

Ummmm.......Maple Grove is in District 3, not 10.

And to answer your question about District 10 players and who were the "go to players" within their association??? Only 1. Why? Because the rest didn't even PLAY association hockey last season, they played at the HS level.

With regards to the Maple Grove players...are you saying that Cammaretta and Gross are not "go to players", either? Cammaretta might just be the very best 95 in the state, and Gross one of the best defensemen.

He's referring to Jake Flemming who coaches the Elk River Bantam A team. That's his "indirect affiliation". Why not congratulate those who made it, ugottabekiddingme? You're making yourself sound like an angry parent who has too big of an ego.

I still don't follow. What does Jake Flemming have to do with the final Adv 15 roster? I don't think he was an evaluator.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

I still don't follow. What does Jake Flemming have to do with the final Adv 15 roster? I don't think he was an evaluator.

There you go trying to use logic and facts ... that gets in the way of parents who felt slighted and want a conspiracy

Congrats to all that tried out and those who made it. I'm sure you will represent MN hockey well

[mngopherfan]

I still don't follow. What does Jake Flemming have to do with the final Adv 15 roster? I don't think he was an evaluator.

There you go trying to use logic and facts ... that gets in the way of parents who felt slighted and want a conspiracy

Congrats to all that tried out and those who made it. I'm sure you will represent MN hockey well

+1

[watchdog]

i hadnt even looked at the roster when i made my post now i see its alot worse than i thought. not only all high school its mostly private. well its a money sport we all know that.

[muckandgrind]

i hadnt even looked at the roster when i made my post now i see its alot worse than i thought. not only all high school its mostly private. well its a money sport we all know that.

Care to provide any specifics?

[mghockey18]

i hadnt even looked at the roster when i made my post now i see its alot worse than i thought. not only all high school its mostly private. well its a money sport we all know that.

You are the most ignorant person that has posted in this thread after that statement.

[scoreandscoreoften]

i hadnt even looked at the roster when i made my post now i see its alot worse than i thought. not only all high school its mostly private. well its a money sport we all know that.

You are the most ignorant person that has posted in this thread after that statement.

MGH, I sent you a PM, please look for it.