Anklebeater wrote:
Looks like the Machine and Blades are the 2 MN teams who should be playing each other. They are the only 2 teams without any sportsmanship. Let them beat each other up! Why don't they play? I would like to see that? Who else would?
Not true! (Talking 2000 level here because I believe that's the only Blades team in the International Cup) The Machine team shows more sportsmanship on the ice by a long shot! #1. They choose NOT to enter their team (or even their second level team) in an INVITE LEVEL tourney knowing full well that the competition would be over matched (Blades didn't seem to have a problem with this though now did they)! This fact alone should show which team has more sportsmanship. If these two teams are the supposed top of the AAA heap then what the heck are the Blades doing competing here anyway? #2. How many times have you seen an excessive celebration or ANY celebration at all after a Machine goal (unless you call a pat on the head on the way back to the bench excessive I guess)? Blades - not so true - ask anyone that is at the rink this weekend or that have seen any of their games - every time they score it's like they just won the Stanley Cup. #3. And this has been stated before and confirmed by MANY - THE BLADES REFUSE TO SCRIMMAGE THE MACHINE! Last word (excuse) from the Blades team manager was that they ONLY scrimmage 1999 teams. Once again - ask around and you can confirm this.
Tell me I'm wrong. . . . . . . .
ernies not home right now
Like I said we can thank the Machine for not entering the tourney and giving other teams a shot at a 1st place medal this weekend!
That is good sportsmanship....and good for MN hockey!
My other question don't the Blades play up a level to prepare for Brick, doesn't seem like good prep playing '00 open level teams?????
I am with you Machine backers and would love too see the Blades and Machine play each other soon. I think that would be great prep for the Brick.
I don't get why you guys haven't played each other several times by now!
ThePuckStopsHere wrote:Top of the Morning HD41 – Snipers have been outscored 19 to 2 in the first two games, looks like your investment in MM Choice League and Breakfast Club are paying off as good as my BP stock.
I always, I always love that one
Iowa.....Ialllllllll.........IALLLWAYS!
aaa hockey or is it? Do any trnys advertise themselves as spring or summer hockey? If they don't and advertise as AAA, forget complaining about a drubbing.
Common Tripped! EVERYONE here knows the discrepancy between the talent level of the teams in an INVITE vs a OPEN level spring/summer/AAA WHATEVER you want to call it tourney!
Machine parent wrote:
Not true! (Talking 2000 level here because I believe that's the only Blades team in the International Cup) The Machine team shows more sportsmanship on the ice by a long shot! #1. They choose NOT to enter their team (or even their second level team) in an INVITE LEVEL tourney knowing full well that the competition would be over matched (Blades didn't seem to have a problem with this though now did they)! This fact alone should show which team has more sportsmanship. If these two teams are the supposed top of the AAA heap then what the heck are the Blades doing competing here anyway? #2. How many times have you seen an excessive celebration or ANY celebration at all after a Machine goal (unless you call a pat on the head on the way back to the bench excessive I guess)? Blades - not so true - ask anyone that is at the rink this weekend or that have seen any of their games - every time they score it's like they just won the Stanley Cup. #3. And this has been stated before and confirmed by MANY - THE BLADES REFUSE TO SCRIMMAGE THE MACHINE! Last word (excuse) from the Blades team manager was that they ONLY scrimmage 1999 teams. Once again - ask around and you can confirm this.
Tell me I'm wrong. . . . . . . .
ernies not home right now
Like I said we can thank the Machine for not entering the tourney and giving other teams a shot at a 1st place medal this weekend!
That is good sportsmanship....and good for MN hockey!
My other question don't the Blades play up a level to prepare for Brick, doesn't seem like good prep playing '00 open level teams?????
I am with you Machine backers and would love too see the Blades and Machine play each other soon. I think that would be great prep for the Brick.
I don't get why you guys haven't played each other several times by now!
I think EVERYONE wonders the same thing EXCEPT the Blades supporters.
Here's what I think it is:
2010 Meltdown results: Blades 3rd, Monopoly 2nd, Icemen 1st.
2010 Independent - Icemen lost the the Machine 9 - 1 in pool play.
That and the fact that they still don't scrimmage 2000 level teams. . .
aaa hockey or is it? Do any trnys advertise themselves as spring or summer hockey? If they don't and advertise as AAA, forget complaining about a drubbing.
Common Tripped! EVERYONE here knows the discrepancy between the talent level of the teams in an INVITE vs a OPEN level spring/summer/AAA WHATEVER you want to call it tourney!
Tripped---Sounds like you switched the brackets up: So you could get 5 so-called AAA open level drubbings and a chance to play for a trophy. You should be proud of your team.....Didn't see too many passes on all those goals.....
One kid skating the puck end to end and scoring...Great team play! That really teaches your kids the game! Good work and good luck in your championship and with checking next year! Even open level teams will know how to hit!
trippedovertheblueline wrote:
ernies not home right now
Like I said we can thank the Machine for not entering the tourney and giving other teams a shot at a 1st place medal this weekend!
That is good sportsmanship....and good for MN hockey!
My other question don't the Blades play up a level to prepare for Brick, doesn't seem like good prep playing '00 open level teams?????
I am with you Machine backers and would love too see the Blades and Machine play each other soon. I think that would be great prep for the Brick.
I don't get why you guys haven't played each other several times by now!
I think EVERYONE wonders the same thing EXCEPT the Blades supporters.
Here's what I think it is:
2010 Meltdown results: Blades 3rd, Monopoly 2nd, Icemen 1st.
2010 Independent - Icemen lost the the Machine 9 - 1 in pool play.
That and the fact that they still don't scrimmage 2000 level teams. .
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Didn't the Blades and your '00 Torspo team play each other last week? How bad did the Blades drub them?
Great tournament so far! It's been wonderful being able to watch all of these teams compete. It is interesting how in an environment like this tournament you start to realize how many people you and your kids have met and become friends with. Watching kids from opposite teams who are friends stopping on the ice after a game to congratulate or console really puts things into perspective. Besides any tournament the sells 2 fer 1 hot dogs is always going to rank up near the top in my book!
HockeyDad41 wrote:Great tournament so far! It's been wonderful being able to watch all of these teams compete. It is interesting how in an environment like this tournament you start to realize how many people you and your kids have met and become friends with. Watching kids from opposite teams who are friends stopping on the ice after a game to congratulate or console really puts things into perspective. Besides any tournament the sells 2 fer 1 hot dogs is always going to rank up near the top in my book!
So what you are saying is you have ate more hot dogs than you team has scored goals?
No not anymore. Both coaches have lost their minds. Why run up the score like that on little kids? Trying to get the next coaching job at Virginia highschool I think that "coach" ran up the score on a team 22to 0.
HockeyDad41 wrote:Great tournament so far! It's been wonderful being able to watch all of these teams compete. It is interesting how in an environment like this tournament you start to realize how many people you and your kids have met and become friends with. Watching kids from opposite teams who are friends stopping on the ice after a game to congratulate or console really puts things into perspective. Besides any tournament the sells 2 fer 1 hot dogs is always going to rank up near the top in my book!
So what you are saying is you have ate more hot dogs than you team has scored goals?
old goalie85 wrote:Now I hope the Icemen beat the blades 20 to 0. What a joke. Blades coach needs his head checked.
then make sure the legacy, and foothills elite and one other team that all posted 15, 19 and 18 -0 goals over one particular team, not just the blades........
Looks like the Machine and Blades are the 2 MN teams who should be playing each other. They are the only 2 teams without any sportsmanship. Let them beat each other up! Why don't they play? I would like to see that? Who else would?
Not true! (Talking 2000 level here because I believe that's the only Blades team in the International Cup) The Machine team shows more sportsmanship on the ice by a long shot! #1. They choose NOT to enter their team (or even their second level team) in an INVITE LEVEL tourney knowing full well that the competition would be over matched (Blades didn't seem to have a problem with this though now did they)! This fact alone should show which team has more sportsmanship. If these two teams are the supposed top of the AAA heap then what the heck are the Blades doing competing here anyway? #2. How many times have you seen an excessive celebration or ANY celebration at all after a Machine goal (unless you call a pat on the head on the way back to the bench excessive I guess)? Blades - not so true - ask anyone that is at the rink this weekend or that have seen any of their games - every time they score it's like they just won the Stanley Cup. #3. And this has been stated before and confirmed by MANY - THE BLADES REFUSE TO SCRIMMAGE THE MACHINE! Last word (excuse) from the Blades team manager was that they ONLY scrimmage 1999 teams. Once again - ask around and you can confirm this.
Tell me I'm wrong. . . . . . . .
There are "2nd level mn made team is here at other levels, and give me another invite level tournament that the blades could be in the next two weeks before going to the brick, give me one tournament.......Remember this is an invite tournament, obviously a somewhat weaker invite tournament but it is invite.......and if you look back on years on this forum people definitely prefer the being able to celebrate a goal over what the machine does and machine parent I can tell you from former machine players what they missed the most maybe little stuff, it was the knuckles on the bench and being able to talk and celebrate goals.....small stuff like that they enjoy being able to do now...........
HockeyDad41 wrote:Great tournament so far! It's been wonderful being able to watch all of these teams compete. It is interesting how in an environment like this tournament you start to realize how many people you and your kids have met and become friends with. Watching kids from opposite teams who are friends stopping on the ice after a game to congratulate or console really puts things into perspective. Besides any tournament the sells 2 fer 1 hot dogs is always going to rank up near the top in my book!
Anklebeater wrote:
then make sure the legacy, and foothills elite and one other team that all posted 15, 19 and 18 -0 goals over one particular team, not just the blades........
Looks like the Machine and Blades are the 2 MN teams who should be playing each other. They are the only 2 teams without any sportsmanship. Let them beat each other up! Why don't they play? I would like to see that? Who else would?
Not true! (Talking 2000 level here because I believe that's the only Blades team in the International Cup) The Machine team shows more sportsmanship on the ice by a long shot! #1. They choose NOT to enter their team (or even their second level team) in an INVITE LEVEL tourney knowing full well that the competition would be over matched (Blades didn't seem to have a problem with this though now did they)! This fact alone should show which team has more sportsmanship. If these two teams are the supposed top of the AAA heap then what the heck are the Blades doing competing here anyway? #2. How many times have you seen an excessive celebration or ANY celebration at all after a Machine goal (unless you call a pat on the head on the way back to the bench excessive I guess)? Blades - not so true - ask anyone that is at the rink this weekend or that have seen any of their games - every time they score it's like they just won the Stanley Cup. #3. And this has been stated before and confirmed by MANY - THE BLADES REFUSE TO SCRIMMAGE THE MACHINE! Last word (excuse) from the Blades team manager was that they ONLY scrimmage 1999 teams. Once again - ask around and you can confirm this.
Tell me I'm wrong. . . . . . . .
There are "2nd level mn made team is here at other levels, and give me another invite level tournament that the blades could be in the next two weeks before going to the brick, give me one tournament.......Remember this is an invite tournament, obviously a somewhat weaker invite tournament but it is invite.......and if you look back on years on this forum people definitely prefer the being able to celebrate a goal over what the machine does and machine parent I can tell you from former machine players what they missed the most maybe little stuff, it was the knuckles on the bench and being able to talk and celebrate goals.....small stuff like that they enjoy being able to do now...........
As stated in my response I was talking 2000 level but you must have missed that because it was in the first sentence. Also, the subject of my response was to a question of sportsmanship - not a preference over celebrating of not celebrating. You apparently have ADD or something or you are just a blatant Orange hater. Like I said - the Machine teams are much more respectful if nothing else but for the fact that when they score THEY ACT LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE! A pat on the head, a high five and then back to the face off dot to do it again. Hey, if "people prefer being able to celebrate a goal over what the Machine does" as you stated - that's fine and their right to have that preference. The Machine preference is to have respect for the game and the opposing team and forgo any excessive celebrations (and BTW it IS a preference and a team choice - not something MANDATED from BM like all orange hates think). The Blades and any other team can continue to whoop it up anyway they want but don't try to tell me then that they show more sportsmanship.
And to answer the first part of your question Unsportsmanlikeconduct - if the Blades REALLY wanted to tune up for the level of talent they will be seeing at the Brick why wouldn't they take up the open invite from the Machine to play anytime, anywhere? Could have played four or five times this weekend alone - it's just one call away. . .but maybe they don't want to because they wouldn't be able to celebrate enough!
Machine parent wrote:
Not true! (Talking 2000 level here because I believe that's the only Blades team in the International Cup) The Machine team shows more sportsmanship on the ice by a long shot! #1. They choose NOT to enter their team (or even their second level team) in an INVITE LEVEL tourney knowing full well that the competition would be over matched (Blades didn't seem to have a problem with this though now did they)! This fact alone should show which team has more sportsmanship. If these two teams are the supposed top of the AAA heap then what the heck are the Blades doing competing here anyway? #2. How many times have you seen an excessive celebration or ANY celebration at all after a Machine goal (unless you call a pat on the head on the way back to the bench excessive I guess)? Blades - not so true - ask anyone that is at the rink this weekend or that have seen any of their games - every time they score it's like they just won the Stanley Cup. #3. And this has been stated before and confirmed by MANY - THE BLADES REFUSE TO SCRIMMAGE THE MACHINE! Last word (excuse) from the Blades team manager was that they ONLY scrimmage 1999 teams. Once again - ask around and you can confirm this.
Tell me I'm wrong. . . . . . . .
There are "2nd level mn made team is here at other levels, and give me another invite level tournament that the blades could be in the next two weeks before going to the brick, give me one tournament.......Remember this is an invite tournament, obviously a somewhat weaker invite tournament but it is invite.......and if you look back on years on this forum people definitely prefer the being able to celebrate a goal over what the machine does and machine parent I can tell you from former machine players what they missed the most maybe little stuff, it was the knuckles on the bench and being able to talk and celebrate goals.....small stuff like that they enjoy being able to do now...........
As stated in my response I was talking 2000 level but you must have missed that because it was in the first sentence. Also, the subject of my response was to a question of sportsmanship - not a preference over celebrating of not celebrating. You apparently have ADD or something or you are just a blatant Orange hater. Like I said - the Machine teams are much more respectful if nothing else but for the fact that when they score THEY ACT LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE! A pat on the head, a high five and then back to the face off dot to do it again. Hey, if "people prefer being able to celebrate a goal over what the Machine does" as you stated - that's fine and their right to have that preference. The Machine preference is to have respect for the game and the opposing team and forgo any excessive celebrations (and BTW it IS a preference and a team choice - not something MANDATED from BM like all orange hates think). The Blades and any other team can continue to whoop it up anyway they want but don't try to tell me then that they show more sportsmanship.
And to answer the first part of your question Unsportsmanlikeconduct - if the Blades REALLY wanted to tune up for the level of talent they will be seeing at the Brick why wouldn't they take up the open invite from the Machine to play anytime, anywhere? Could have played four or five times this weekend alone - it's just one call away. . .but maybe they don't want to because they wouldn't be able to celebrate enough!
I don't have a dog in this fight, but you lost all credibility with your last statement. Are you trying to tell us that all Machine teams 95's, 96's, when they played, 97's, 98"s, 99's, 00's all have coaches that believe in absolutely no celebration at all. And that they don't get mandated from BM. How dump do you think we are? That's a BM rule and you know it. Why be untruthful about it?
As far as the "act like you've been there before" I agree celebrations can get out of hand. But high school kids celebrate, college kids celebrate, and pro's celebrate. And they've all been there before. So, I don't think a little controlled celebration is being disrespectful.
Nothing wrong with a quick celebration after a goal as long as it's spontaneous, genuine and respectful.
So which is worse? The coach that doesn't allow any celebration or the coach that has the whole line all skate by the bench to bump fists? I know of a coach that does the latter and it drives me nuts.
[quote="HockeyDad41"]Nothing wrong with a quick celebration after a goal as long as it's spontaneous, genuine and respectful.
So which is worse? The coach that doesn't allow any celebration or the coach that has the whole line all skate by the bench to bump fists? I know of a coach that does the latter and it drives me nuts.[/quote]
HockeyDad41 wrote:Nothing wrong with a quick celebration after a goal as long as it's spontaneous, genuine and respectful.
So which is worse? The coach that doesn't allow any celebration or the coach that has the whole line all skate by the bench to bump fists? I know of a coach that does the latter and it drives me nuts.
The teams my oldest skates with have all done that from Mites through Bantams, and he has had a different coach every year.
I know UND does it, and UM does it, and I'm pretty sure most college teams do it. The kids are just emulating what they see their "heros" do. The kids do this on their own, the coach has more to worry about than what the kids do to celebrate sucess.
HockeyDad41 wrote:Nothing wrong with a quick celebration after a goal as long as it's spontaneous, genuine and respectful.
So which is worse? The coach that doesn't allow any celebration or the coach that has the whole line all skate by the bench to bump fists? I know of a coach that does the latter and it drives me nuts.
The teams my oldest skates with have all done that from Mites through Bantams, and he has had a different coach every year.
I know UND does it, and UM does it, and I'm pretty sure most college teams do it. The kids are just emulating what they see their "heros" do. The kids do this on their own, the coach has more to worry about than what the kids do to celebrate sucess.
I guess you had to be there. I've seen it at gopher games and on tv and it doesn't bother me, but for this coach it's a ritual and even the kids that don't care to do it are required to. Kind of the polar opposite of the Bernie thing I guess. It's not a big deal either way. Saying it drives me nuts is a little strong.
I guess you had to be there. I've seen it at gopher games and on tv and it doesn't bother me, but for this coach it's a ritual and even the kids that don't care to do it are required to. Kind of the polar opposite of the Bernie thing I guess. It's not a big deal either way. Saying it drives me nuts is a little strong.[/quote]
What age level? I agree that any celebration should be natural. My issue with the no celebration rule is that it takes natural emotion out of the game. I've seen kids on teams that aren't allowed to celebrate, score, and start to raise an arm, and stop because they'll get in trouble. That's not natural and takes away from their experience.
I do think it is ridiculous to continue that when a game is out of hand. At that point you should just go back to the bench or the face off circle.
HockeyDad41 wrote:Nothing wrong with a quick celebration after a goal as long as it's spontaneous, genuine and respectful.
So which is worse? The coach that doesn't allow any celebration or the coach that has the whole line all skate by the bench to bump fists? I know of a coach that does the latter and it drives me nuts.
The teams my oldest skates with have all done that from Mites through Bantams, and he has had a different coach every year.
I know UND does it, and UM does it, and I'm pretty sure most college teams do it. The kids are just emulating what they see their "heros" do. The kids do this on their own, the coach has more to worry about than what the kids do to celebrate sucess.
So I guess then it is okay to do it or because their "hero's" do it? That reasoning is a slippery slope. . .what if Bob Probert was little "Johnny's" hero?
Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.
Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!
If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.
ThePuckStopsHere wrote:Top of the Morning HD41 – Snipers have been outscored 19 to 2 in the first two games, looks like your investment in MM Choice League and Breakfast Club are paying off as good as my BP stock.
I always, I always love that one
Iowa.....Ialllllllll.........IALLLWAYS!
aaa hockey or is it? Do any trnys advertise themselves as spring or summer hockey? If they don't and advertise as AAA, forget complaining about a drubbing.
I'm not really involved in the main debate....I just love the Common Man nod with the 'I always'. (kind of an inside deal).
scoreandscoreoften wrote:Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.
Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!
If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.
TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.
I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.
Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.
"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant
You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.
I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.
As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]
