InigoMontoya wrote:I would guess that Torspo will have a little larger crowds at the Stars & Stripes. Are the Synergy team colors blue, if I choose to blend in a little?
Tough to disguise that big melon
Coming from a guy who probably can't see over the boards...
Really - I was there - looked like passion to me. I find it hilarious a retired council member (of what who knows) started this wine with a ref crying that they had never been taught how to control a game or talk to a coach. Then all you cronies jump on the wagon...Please!
Let's attack a coach who has passion. How dare he challenge our babies, he should be hugging them and telling them how sorry he is they aren’t playing well. You all cry foul when none of you know what it takes to coach - mites, driveways and backyards don't count.
I keep forgetting - the parents are the best thing that ever happened to hockey. Everyone raves about how great the parents are!
Shut up already. This has parent stink all over it.
Puposky22 wrote:Really - I was there - looked like passion to me. I find it hilarious a retired council member (of what who knows) started this wine with a ref crying that they had never been taught how to control a game or talk to a coach. Then all you cronies jump on the wagon...Please!
Let's attack a coach who has passion. How dare he challenge our babies, he should be hugging them and telling them how sorry he is they aren’t playing well. You all cry foul when none of you know what it takes to coach - mites, driveways and backyards don't count.
I keep forgetting - the parents are the best thing that ever happened to hockey. Everyone raves about how great the parents are!
Shut up already. This has parent stink all over it.
Puposky22 wrote:Really - I was there - looked like passion to me. I find it hilarious a retired council member (of what who knows) started this wine with a ref crying that they had never been taught how to control a game or talk to a coach. Then all you cronies jump on the wagon...Please!
Let's attack a coach who has passion. How dare he challenge our babies, he should be hugging them and telling them how sorry he is they aren’t playing well. You all cry foul when none of you know what it takes to coach - mites, driveways and backyards don't count.
I keep forgetting - the parents are the best thing that ever happened to hockey. Everyone raves about how great the parents are!
Shut up already. This has parent stink all over it. :evil:
There's passion and insanity. From what it sounds like, this is more insanity.
As a fellow peewee hockey coach, I can say I have a ton of passion for the game, that is why I coach today because it keeps me close to the game.
I understand being angry that your players might not be playing well and calling a timeout and getting a little emotional. I've done it before but its to provide encouragement, not belittle them.
My god, from what it sounds like this was nuts. They are 10 years old for crying out loud. This guy is a flat out embarrassment to coaches. Your not doing anything for the kids, team, or program/association when you act like that.
Puposky22 wrote:Really - I was there - looked like passion to me. I find it hilarious a retired council member (of what who knows) started this wine with a ref crying that they had never been taught how to control a game or talk to a coach. Then all you cronies jump on the wagon...Please!
Let's attack a coach who has passion. How dare he challenge our babies, he should be hugging them and telling them how sorry he is they aren’t playing well. You all cry foul when none of you know what it takes to coach - mites, driveways and backyards don't count.
I keep forgetting - the parents are the best thing that ever happened to hockey. Everyone raves about how great the parents are!
Shut up already. This has parent stink all over it.
There's passion and insanity. From what it sounds like, this is more insanity.
As a fellow peewee hockey coach, I can say I have a ton of passion for the game, that is why I coach today because it keeps me close to the game.
I understand being angry that your players might not be playing well and calling a timeout and getting a little emotional. I've done it before but its to provide encouragement, not belittle them.
My god, from what it sounds like this was nuts. They are 10 years old for crying out loud. This guy is a flat out embarrassment to coaches. Your not doing anything for the kids, team, or program/association when you act like that.
The team was playing well, perhaps that had not been pointed out. The young players on that team should have been encouraged and refocused not torn down like they were. They had a 2-0 lead after 1, and it was a good hockey game. Their opponent began the second with 2 goals in 1 shift to tie it. Sometimes the difference between a win or a loss is not the players on the ice. I don't know what the outcome of the game would have been with a positive leader, but this man certainly did not provide any support to his own team. I will say his behavior was one of those stories you hear about in youth sports, but hope to never see. Obviously he has been able to fool someone.
I have in the many years I have been involved in hockey seen many coaches "loose it" on the bench and in locker rooms. From associations across the midwest to AAA across North America there are men whose passion sometimes gets the better of them. But what happened on the bench during the Torspo game was nothing! It seems there are many hiding behind their user names on this forum that love nothing more than to tarnish the name of a decent man. To those readers that were not there the incident is being completely misrepresented here and I would suggest you read EVERYTHING on these boards with a grain of salt! Anything posted outside of statistics and game scores is VERY likely nothing but the propoganda circulated by a few intended to discredit and tarnish people they do not agree with. It is a shame that it continues. The 99 Torspo coach is a good man and a good coach. I challenge others to stand up to the lies and defend those in our hockey community that are unjustly portrayed on this forum. And I challenge the forum to discourage the crucifixtion of character not only in this example but in any that occur in the future.
Interesting position--this Board provides folks with the opportunity to share information. You're clearly a pal of the '99 Torpo coach and that's okay. There are two sides to every story, but some stories should be shared. Sometimes the facts or (someone's perception of the facts) are far more important than game statistics.
Not every coach is a good coach. Not every ex hockey player should coach. Not every coach who thinks he is a good coach is a good coach. On the other hand, good coaches are applauded--we need more of you. Not every AAA hockey program is a good program and through this forum information is shared--some credible, some not so much. Like the newspaper and the television news it's up to the consumer to decide what to believe and what to disregard. Through this forum the owners of AAA programs receive unfiltered feedback on their programs. That information is useful and can be used to address problems to improve a program.
What stands out to me from the posts on this particular thread is that a parent allegedly shouted from the stands for the coach to knock it off. IF that happened, that is revealing. IF that happened, it tells me the coach exercised bad judgment. IF that happened, it tells me this coach shouldn't be hanging around 10-year old kids. IF that happened, it tells me that I'm happy I'm not paying $2,000 to have my son screamed at by someone who is supposed to be teaching kids the game and love for the sport. IF that happened, the coach, at a minimum, owes his players (and their parents) an apology. IF that happened, I'm confident BM will replace the coach. Whether you like or dislike BM, he is a business man and he knows a bad coach is bad for business. Stay tuned and relax . . . BM (not anyone on this forum) will decide if your pal is fit to coach a MM team.
Interesting position--this Board provides folks with the opportunity to share information. You're clearly a pal of the '99 Torpo coach and that's okay. There are two sides to every story, but some stories should be shared. Sometimes the facts or (someone's perception of the facts) are far more important than game statistics.
Not every coach is a good coach. Not every ex hockey player should coach. Not every coach who thinks he is a good coach is a good coach. On the other hand, good coaches are applauded--we need more of you. Not every AAA hockey program is a good program and through this forum information is shared--some credible, some not so much. Like the newspaper and the television news it's up to the consumer to decide what to believe and what to disregard. Through this forum the owners of AAA programs receive unfiltered feedback on their programs. That information is useful and can be used to address problems to improve a program.
What stands out to me from the posts on this particular thread is that a parent allegedly shouted from the stands for the coach to knock it off. IF that happened, that is revealing. IF that happened, it tells me the coach exercised bad judgment. IF that happened, it tells me this coach shouldn't be hanging around 10-year old kids. IF that happened, it tells me that I'm happy I'm not paying $2,000 to have my son screamed at by someone who is supposed to be teaching kids the game and love for the sport. IF that happened, the coach, at a minimum, owes his players (and their parents) an apology. IF that happened, I'm confident BM will replace the coach. Whether you like or dislike BM, he is a business man and he knows a bad coach is bad for business. Stay tuned and relax . . . BM (not anyone on this forum) will decide if your pal is fit to coach a MM team.
Good post.
I had the opportunity to be working the scoreboard during a tournament game this past season while this guy was coaching his Champlin Park team. My observation is that this guy is a very intense coach...one who will yell at a player for making a mistake. I also see him do something pretty interesting: If doing a line change (after a whistle) the players don't hustle off the bench and skate as fast as they can to the face off dot, he makes them all come back to the bench and start over. Nothing illegal about that, just strange.
I have no problem with a coach being stern, when the situation call for it. I won't say anything more, other than I'd never want have a kid of mine play on a team coached by him. I just don't care for his style. I don't know this guy, personally. For all I know he may be one of those people who is a great guy away from the rink, and a different type of person at the rink. Over my many years around the game, I've known plenty of coaches like that. My opinion, take it for what it's worth.
Interesting position--this Board provides folks with the opportunity to share information. You're clearly a pal of the '99 Torpo coach and that's okay. There are two sides to every story, but some stories should be shared. Sometimes the facts or (someone's perception of the facts) are far more important than game statistics.
Not every coach is a good coach. Not every ex hockey player should coach. Not every coach who thinks he is a good coach is a good coach. On the other hand, good coaches are applauded--we need more of you. Not every AAA hockey program is a good program and through this forum information is shared--some credible, some not so much. Like the newspaper and the television news it's up to the consumer to decide what to believe and what to disregard. Through this forum the owners of AAA programs receive unfiltered feedback on their programs. That information is useful and can be used to address problems to improve a program.
What stands out to me from the posts on this particular thread is that a parent allegedly shouted from the stands for the coach to knock it off. IF that happened, that is revealing. IF that happened, it tells me the coach exercised bad judgment. IF that happened, it tells me this coach shouldn't be hanging around 10-year old kids. IF that happened, it tells me that I'm happy I'm not paying $2,000 to have my son screamed at by someone who is supposed to be teaching kids the game and love for the sport. IF that happened, the coach, at a minimum, owes his players (and their parents) an apology. IF that happened, I'm confident BM will replace the coach. Whether you like or dislike BM, he is a business man and he knows a bad coach is bad for business. Stay tuned and relax . . . BM (not anyone on this forum) will decide if your pal is fit to coach a MM team.
Ditto, nice post. This forum is many things, but one thing is does great is it's used to get information out to the rest of the hockey world in Minnesota. When an incident, like the one with the 99 Torspo occurs it's reported and discussed, and individuals can discuss whether it was appropriate or not. When someone acts inappropriate, as in this case, he gets called out for it and hopefully this individual can learn from his mistake and move on. What BM does with this team is totally up to him and him only. He might remove this guy, or he might not, but the only people who should care at this point is the families involved. Topic has been beaten to death, let's move on.
This is my first time on this post, I heard about the 99 Torspo coach bashing and name calling so I had to see for myself. Needless to say, I am very upset right now. Think about it, You bash his hair, you bash his religious convictions, you indicate that he does not yell only when he's hung over. you violate the rules of this forum with malicious name calling. You have turned this useful forum into a joke just to support your hidden agenda. No Torspo parent yelled across the ice "shut up". It was one of the bashers. I consider this coach to be the best coach in the state if not the country. Yes he has passion, just what I want for the development of my son. His Torspo team was only 3 weeks old and they played a great Blades team and were up 2-0 in the 2nd period. Middle of the 2nd period the blades scored twice within a minute. What he did to bring his team back into focus was incredible. The two teams were 3-3 in the third. The blades got 2 more goals and then an open net. It was a great game. You can ask any parent or player, the answers will be the same, Mark is the best coach they've ever had. The bashing from this forum has upset all the parents both past and present and everyone that knows him. I can not and will not just read this form and not respond because you are wrong, wrong, wrong with your bashing and cruelty.
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Stand Alone wrote:This is my first time on this post, I heard about the 99 Torspo coach bashing and name calling so I had to see for myself. Needless to say, I am very upset right now. Think about it, You bash his hair, you bash his religious convictions, you indicate that he dosen't yell when he's hung over. you violate the rules of this form with malicious name calling. You have turned this useful fourm into a joke just to support your hidden agenda. No Torspo parent yelled accross the ice "shut up". It was one of the bashers. I consider this coach to be the best coach in the state if not the country. Yes he has passion, just what I want for the development of my son. His Torspo team is was only 3 weeks old and they played a great Blades team and were up 2-0 in the 2nd period. Middle of the 2nd period the blades scored twice within a minute. What he did to bring his team back into focus was incredable. The two teams were 3-3 in the third. The blades got 2 more goals and then an open net. It was a great game. You can ask any parent or player, the answers will be the same, Mark is the best coach they've ever had. The bashing from this fourm has upset all the parents both past and present and everyone that knows him. I can not and will not just read this form and not respond because you are wrong, wrong, wrong with your bashing and cruelty.
I consider this coach to be the best coach in the state if not the country.
You made some good points in your post. unfortunately, saying this made you lose any shred of credibility you may have had. That is the craziest thing I have heard all week! You should be his agent.
I consider this coach to be the best coach in the state if not the country.
You made some good points in your post. unfortunately, saying this made you lose any shred of credibility you may have had. That is the craziest thing I have heard all week! You should be his agent.
I will say that I get uncomfortable a bit with anonymous bashing of coaches. I, myself, stay away from name-calling....I'm just posting my own personal observations that I PERSONALLY have witnessed standing less than 10 feet away from him. I'll just say that I just don't feel like it's proper to be coaching 10 year olds the same way you would be coaching 16-17 year olds. Most 10 year old boys are not mature enough, mentally, to handle being berated and yelled in that manner....
WOW, that statement sure got some panties in a bunch. Here is what I based that statement on: "There is no other coach ANYWHERE that I would rather have coaching my 10 Yr old son". And as far as being his agent... Thank You.
Stand Alone wrote:WOW, that statement sure got some panties in a bunch. Here is what I based that statement on: "There is no other coach ANYWHERE that I would rather have coaching my 10 Yr old son". And as far as being his agent... Thank You.
Stand Alone wrote:WOW, that statement sure got some panties in a bunch. Here is what I based that statement on: "There is no other coach ANYWHERE that I would rather have coaching my 10 Yr old son". And as far as being his agent... Thank You.
I have met this coach and watched him coach. I don't personally have a problem with the man. That said, I have seen this coach throw sticks over the boards during games, and have heard kids talk about him snapping sticks. I ask you this. Do you approve of those things for a coach of 10 year olds?
Stand Alone wrote:WOW, that statement sure got some panties in a bunch. Here is what I based that statement on: "There is no other coach ANYWHERE that I would rather have coaching my 10 Yr old son". And as far as being his agent... Thank You.
I have met this coach and watched him coach. I don't personally have a problem with the man. That said, I have seen this coach throw sticks over the boards during games, and have heard kids talk about him snapping sticks. I ask you this. Do you approve of those things for a coach of 10 year olds?
I am just going to answer your question as i know nothing about the specific coach in question.
That said, I would not approve of a coach who threw sticks and broke sticks at ANY level. The anger issues that lead to this type of behavior are not acceptable, not even at the NHL level how could we possibly think they are ok for kids, especially 10 year old kids. That behavior is nto passion, it's the lunatic rantings of an immature individual incapable of controlling him or herself. I'm no bleeding heart, I don't mind a tough minded hard nosed coach, in fact I respect them alot but throwing a temper tantrum is neither of those things
Stand Alone wrote:WOW, that statement sure got some panties in a bunch. Here is what I based that statement on: "There is no other coach ANYWHERE that I would rather have coaching my 10 Yr old son". And as far as being his agent... Thank You.
Lance Armstrong doesn't "Peddle" this much! But of course his style is FORWARD, not back-peddling...
I just recently over the past few days heard about this website. I have been a hockey mom for 4 years now and have 2 of my 3 kids playing. What I have to say most of you don't want to hear. This site should be shut down. It is only set up for parents who don't have a clue and all they want to do it complain about everything behind the internet. We as parents need to stop trying to live our lives through our kids. Let them play and learn about more than just hockey. I am a competitor myself and play adult sports. I also competed as a child and I can tell you that I admired my coaches and listen to them more than my parents. What they said and did pushed me to be the best and without them I would not be here.
I can say the "coach" that everyone is referring to is the best coach there is out there. I saw him at a tryout my son was at a few years back and my son afterward told me that he would love to play for him. This "coach" you are referring to is the MOST patient and loving coach and any child would love to be on his team. He motivates his kids. My own son played hockey and it wasn't too exiting for him until he got a chance to play on his team. He changed my sons life and even more than that, he improved his hockey skills and my son has become an amazing hockey player. More importantly, my son has becoming a better young man because of this coach. He has learned how to push himself to be the best he can be, never give up and always keep your head up. This is something that we as parents would love to have our children become through us but needless to say, it is our youth coaches that bring this out. As far as I am concerned we need more coaches like him. I have a younger daughter who plays hockey and would give anything to learn from this man. His family is the most loving and caring family any of us could have in our lives. We should be honored to have someone like him on the ice.
Maybe we as parents need to read the rules of this website and stop trying to be such haters in life. We need to focus on how to improve and become better parents, not parents who bash people on the internet. What message are you sending your own kids by doing what you did.... what makes you better?. Do you realize what this does to people. This is slander and none of who made the nasty comments have enough balls to deal with the issue face to face. You are complaining and talking about things you know nothing about.
You parents need to make sure that you have your facts straight and talk about things that would improve the sport, not bash the best coach that I have seen in hockey. I grew up in a hockey family and played myself as a child. I would have loved to been coached by him. He makes a difference in his players.
So why don't we all just move on and grow up. We need to start acting like parents so that hockey doesn't have the bad name it does. None of his players who play for him have issues or concerns, nor do us parents. Let the man coach and just mind your own business.
Thumpernighttrain wrote:I just recently over the past few days heard about this website. I have been a hockey mom for 4 years now and have 2 of my 3 kids playing. What I have to say most of you don't want to hear. This site should be shut down. It is only set up for parents who don't have a clue and all they want to do it complain about everything behind the internet. We as parents need to stop trying to live our lives through our kids. Let them play and learn about more than just hockey. I am a competitor myself and play adult sports. I also competed as a child and I can tell you that I admired my coaches and listen to them more than my parents. What they said and did pushed me to be the best and without them I would not be here.
I can say the "coach" that everyone is referring to is the best coach there is out there. I saw him at a tryout my son was at a few years back and my son afterward told me that he would love to play for him. This "coach" you are referring to is the MOST patient and loving coach and any child would love to be on his team. He motivates his kids. My own son played hockey and it wasn't too exiting for him until he got a chance to play on his team. He changed my sons life and even more than that, he improved his hockey skills and my son has become an amazing hockey player. More importantly, my son has becoming a better young man because of this coach. He has learned how to push himself to be the best he can be, never give up and always keep your head up. This is something that we as parents would love to have our children become through us but needless to say, it is our youth coaches that bring this out. As far as I am concerned we need more coaches like him. I have a younger daughter who plays hockey and would give anything to learn from this man. His family is the most loving and caring family any of us could have in our lives. We should be honored to have someone like him on the ice.
Maybe we as parents need to read the rules of this website and stop trying to be such haters in life. We need to focus on how to improve and become better parents, not parents who bash people on the internet. What message are you sending your own kids by doing what you did.... what makes you better?. Do you realize what this does to people. This is slander and none of who made the nasty comments have enough balls to deal with the issue face to face. You are complaining and talking about things you know nothing about.
You parents need to make sure that you have your facts straight and talk about things that would improve the sport, not bash the best coach that I have seen in hockey. I grew up in a hockey family and played myself as a child. I would have loved to been coached by him. He makes a difference in his players.
So why don't we all just move on and grow up. We need to start acting like parents so that hockey doesn't have the bad name it does. None of his players who play for him have issues or concerns, nor do us parents. Let the man coach and just mind your own business.
This site actually helps to keep coaches and programs accountable.... If the coach hasn't broken sticks in front of young kids,, or yelled at them, it can be all laughed away by the coach and parents. If it did?
Did these things ever happen? If so, is it proper in front of such young kids? Will your child behave the same way if he looks up to him?
First off, I'd like to disspel the notion that this board exists for parents to pump or live through their kids. That certainly was not the reason behind its creation. I myself am closer in age to the kids than any of the parents on here, yet I find lots of value in this forum. Some clueless parents come through here, yes, but it's not too hard to see through that, and with a little experience you learn what to take with a grain of salt.
But yes, we do need to read the rules of this site. And among those rules is 'stay on topic.' This thread has failed rather miserably at that, so I'm going to lock it.
That said, it's not my intent to surpress discussion on this sort of topic. While some posts have been a bit disrespectful and some a bit naive, a lot of insightful things have also been said. It is perfectly acceptable to question a coach's tactics, and it is equally acceptable to defend them, so long as we're civil and reasonable about it.
So if someone wants to start up a new thread related more specifically to what we've talked about on here, go ahead. Just keep things in control and in perspective, or I'll go and lock those ones, too.
Feel free to PM me if you have any lingering concerns.
