Advanced 15 Program

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:14 am

Would someone like to respond to the subject matter on D10 advance tryouts or is it time to post a poll?

jancze5 · Post by **jancze5** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:07 am

D10 last year sent a group of 20 players that beat everyone but District 2 in the Advanced 15's final. So whoever evaluated in the spring of 09 knew what they were doing....if it's the same group this spring, not sure how anyone can drop the "politics" claim unless their superstar didnt' get picked and can't fathom that maybe he just isn't as good as the other 20.

anyone who's been around for more than a day knows that even in this setting, the top 6-8 are easy to pick, the next 6-8 pretty clear, but the next 25 are completely interchangeable parts...

DMom · Post by **DMom** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:38 am

jancze5 wrote:D10 last year sent a group of 20 players that beat everyone but District 2 in the Advanced 15's final. So whoever evaluated in the spring of 09 knew what they were doing....if it's the same group this spring, not sure how anyone can drop the "politics" claim unless their superstar didnt' get picked and can't fathom that maybe he just isn't as good as the other 20.

anyone who's been around for more than a day knows that even in this setting, the top 6-8 are easy to pick, the next 6-8 pretty clear, but the next 25 are completely interchangeable parts...

love the sig line

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:57 pm

Not making the advance 15 team is not the end of the world, with that being said I've witnessed some strange selections in D8 over the last few years. Two years ago I watched a kid put up nine points in a single session and get cut while a connected kid did nothing, made the team and didn't even bother to play in the festival. It made no difference in the big picture..the kid who got cut has excelled in high school and the other kid has pretty much disappeared. Far too much is made out of selections at this level, the kids are growing and changing so quickly it is very difficult to determine which kids are on top. By 17's the picture becomes much clearer. Getting cut can be a great motivator as well, the kids that really want to succeed will just work that much harder.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:04 am

This discussion has cooled off like a blind date with Nancy Pelosi. Where have all the hockey politicians gone after the preliminary vote for advanced 15? Once again people claim the reverse politics cry when confronted with questions on the legitimacy of what is being produced within a watered down D10 tournament offering. Final results will be the outcome.

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:16 am

Nothing cooled. Your frustration is ever clear your son was cut and you are now crying. You say politics and I have asked what politics it appears the d 10 staff has no connections to kids or parents.

justme · Post by **justme** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:54 am

Fire and Ice wrote:Nothing cooled. Your frustration is ever clear your son was cut and you are now crying. You say politics and I have asked what politics it appears the d 10 staff has no connections to kids or parents.

You guys are to funny, if your kids there he's there if not so be it. Go golfing or something, fish, vacation. Sounds like you need to get away from hockey for a little bit.

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:38 am

Agreed on all points. But doesn't it get old reading about politics but very rarely does someone have a legitimate gripe. Like I said I am still waiting for the egregious mistake made by d10 or any other district.

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:12 pm

Excuse me... I had to dry my eyes after opening up the Centennial website. Definitely the lost city and congrats to the U19 and U16 state runner ups. Sounds like one should look at it's own program looking for politics if these kids were missed. The apple doesn't fall far from the D10 tree.

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:17 pm

One way to negate the cries of politics and favoritism is to post the scores of all participants. I've never seen any association do this in any sport, as we know that it opens up an enitrely different can of worms, but I sometimes like to imagine how the posts (and our lives, the lives of our children, etc.) would differ if we had full rating, ranking, scoring transparency. It might be fun, just once, to do this and watch the ensuing results. Let the lawsuits begin.

Of course, this is a facetious suggestion, but I do believe that the more transparency you have, the less misunderstanding, suspicions, and complaints there will be. Plus, the evaluators will realize that they're going to be held more accountable, too, so that might actually improve the overall process.

timcorbin21 · Post by **timcorbin21** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:57 pm

the Advanced 15, 16 and 17 tryouts and festivals that we were a part of had much less favoritism, nepotism and drama then what we've seen in the local associations and schools.
we've also noticed that many times the people that cry foul have been the ones that were always looking for extra consideration.

Nobodyonya · Post by **Nobodyonya** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:45 am

keepyourheadup wrote:Not making the advance 15 team is not the end of the world, with that being said I've witnessed some strange selections in D8 over the last few years. Two years ago I watched a kid put up nine points in a single session and get cut while a connected kid did nothing, made the team and didn't even bother to play in the festival. It made no difference in the big picture..the kid who got cut has excelled in high school and the other kid has pretty much disappeared. Far too much is made out of selections at this level, the kids are growing and changing so quickly it is very difficult to determine which kids are on top. By 17's the picture becomes much clearer. Getting cut can be a great motivator as well, the kids that really want to succeed will just work that much harder.

Agreed, enjoy it while you can as this will be in the past for most of us here in the next couple of years. Politics, get over it, it happens everywhere and in every sport. To say it's not happening your fooling yourself. My son made it to the 2nd phase doubt if he'll advance any further, but I do know he gave his best. While others will be enjoying the game of hockey my son and family will be enjoying camping, fishing, boating. It's not the end of the world if your son does not advance there is alot more to life than hockey. For those of you that do advance good luck and represent us well

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:07 pm

I am not sure what Centennial's program has to do with this?

And I wouldn't question the success of their youth program for the past 15 years this can only be compared by Wayzata, Edina, Ep, and WBL. This is both boys and girls. Well the high school team has 1 state appearance it is a Championship that many proud programs would love to have.

The apple doesn't fall from the tree? explain that one. So tell everyone you are bitter because your kid was cut... and we can end this discussion.

Jimbo99 · Post by **Jimbo99** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 5:25 pm

Nobodyonya wrote:
keepyourheadup wrote:Not making the advance 15 team is not the end of the world, with that being said I've witnessed some strange selections in D8 over the last few years. Two years ago I watched a kid put up nine points in a single session and get cut while a connected kid did nothing, made the team and didn't even bother to play in the festival. It made no difference in the big picture..the kid who got cut has excelled in high school and the other kid has pretty much disappeared. Far too much is made out of selections at this level, the kids are growing and changing so quickly it is very difficult to determine which kids are on top. By 17's the picture becomes much clearer. Getting cut can be a great motivator as well, the kids that really want to succeed will just work that much harder.

Agreed, enjoy it while you can as this will be in the past for most of us here in the next couple of years. Politics, get over it, it happens everywhere and in every sport. To say it's not happening your fooling yourself. My son made it to the 2nd phase doubt if he'll advance any further, but I do know he gave his best. While others will be enjoying the game of hockey my son and family will be enjoying camping, fishing, boating. It's not the end of the world if your son does not advance there is alot more to life than hockey. For those of you that do advance good luck and represent us well

There ya go! because headsup is only 1/2 right. Perspective is great but there are so many people who can only see the absurdity of it all in looking backwards. Mistakes and politics exist at 17s and at high school (and even beyond) every bit as much as they do at squirts, peewees, 15s, and 16s. It's pretty hard not to, at least, be a little annoyed as you experience it along the way, but the easiest way to live with it is to realize there's little you can do to change it. Go fish!

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:09 pm

Camping fishing boating sounds like alot of fun to me. Forgot about golfing!!!

F14 · Post by **F14** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:58 pm

Final Roster of 20

Defensemen (6)

Jordan Gross OMG
Joseph Franta OMG
Andrew Lyons North Metro
Theodore Ransom Wayzata
Drake Thomsen OMG
Robert Zitzsperger Wayzata

Forwards (12)

Tyler Cammarata Shattuck Tier I Bantam
Christopher Chute Blake Varsity
Nathan Erickson OMG
Chase Heising Wayzata
Thomas Lindstrom Breck JV
Derek Lodermeier North Metro (Totino)
Brian Machut Wayzata
Spencer Naas Hopkins
Alexander Sorensen Wayzata
Nicklaus Sorensen Wayzata
Connor Thie Hopkins Varsity
Jalen Wahl Hopkins

Goalies (2)

John Danielson OMG
Ryan Froom St. Louis Park JV/V

First Game is Monday the 19th at 7:15pm at New Hope

Ugottobekiddingme · Post by **Ugottobekiddingme** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:36 am

I took everyone's advice and went golfing. Now to answer "smoke and mirrors" question so we can "end this discussion".

This converstation has nothing to do with Centennial but it does offer discussion towards placement within teams in the D10 jurisdiction of associations and player placement towards advanced 15.

First, don't include yourself within dynasty hockey programs that have been successful like Wayzata, Edina, Eden Prairie, or WBL. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut and although these kids were successful, they probably did it without the help of D10 and distracting parents involved with the program. They had what it takes to win as a team even after running from the WBL district.

Second, no children and I'm a coach. Now it's your turn to answer a question, after viewing the Centennial web it looks like a girls only program, did the boy's merge with the CINB association? I see what is happening within association hockey and have to ask the same questions as others...why are people positioning themselves to destroy this opportunity for children to experience hockey?

Lastly, why do people give money towards tryouts and association hockey when most realize it has no legitimacy? Most who are viewing this blog probably ask the same question and that is what is being questioned towards the advanced program and all hockey opportunities offered.

Stop protecting your self interests and start giving kids a chance to advance in hockey....that's why it is called a development program.[/b]

HSHockeyFan08 · Post by **HSHockeyFan08** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:52 am

The D3 roster looks solid.

HSHockeyFan08 · Post by **HSHockeyFan08** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:53 am

You're kid/player didn't make it. Get over it.

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:56 pm

You should have stayed golfing and fishing.

First facts are facts Centennial has one of the best programs in Mn Hockey history yes I said history the books don't lie. And well I don't agree with much of what you wrote they did do much of it without parent involvement in regards to which kids made teams. You don't win with the wrong kids and the kids know that too.

Running from District 2?? you are kidding right. That district has one solid team. I will not waste more time on this. The rest of D2 is also rans.

I don't think the boys merged with CINB I am not sure from what rock you crawled from under but my guess is you are not very knowledgeable? So you are comparing Centennial to CINB your credibility is lost with this statement. Clearly they are the strength of District 10 with Blaine, St Cloud, Elk River, and now the coming of Andover. District 2 doesn't have a second team to talk about.

I also don't believe that the Advance programs were for everyone to experience.

People give money towards tryouts because ice cost money. But I do agree let coaches pick their teams and reap the rewards or the horror of their own choices. So I take that back two things we agree on.

It is called a development program for ELITE hockey players; not all participating hockey players.

And like others on this board I believe you do have a son that was cut in the tryout phase of the process. It's alright he might make the 16's next year unless he just isn't good enough and that my friend is the problem with these processes. The parents struggle with the decisions more than the kids.

Now I'm going golfing....and guess what? I'm not that good so there will be no PGA for me.

Nobodyonya · Post by **Nobodyonya** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:48 pm

Fire and Ice wrote:You should have stayed golfing and fishing.

First facts are facts Centennial has one of the best programs in Mn Hockey history yes I said history the books don't lie. And well I don't agree with much of what you wrote they did do much of it without parent involvement in regards to which kids made teams. You don't win with the wrong kids and the kids know that too.

Running from District 2?? you are kidding right. That district has one solid team. I will not waste more time on this. The rest of D2 is also rans.

I don't think the boys merged with CINB I am not sure from what rock you crawled from under but my guess is you are not very knowledgeable? So you are comparing Centennial to CINB your credibility is lost with this statement. Clearly they are the strength of District 10 with Blaine, St Cloud, Elk River, and now the coming of Andover. District 2 doesn't have a second team to talk about.

I also don't believe that the Advance programs were for everyone to experience.

People give money towards tryouts because ice cost money. But I do agree let coaches pick their teams and reap the rewards or the horror of their own choices. So I take that back two things we agree on.

It is called a development program for ELITE hockey players; not all participating hockey players.

And like others on this board I believe you do have a son that was cut in the tryout phase of the process. It's alright he might make the 16's next year unless he just isn't good enough and that my friend is the problem with these processes. The parents struggle with the decisions more than the kids.

Now I'm going golfing....and guess what? I'm not that good so there will be no PGA for me.

I agree the parents struggle more than the kids do. Just how many kids REALLY struggle with the issue that they just got cut from the team. They may be frustrated, disappointed etc. when the decision is made, but after they go on to play baseball/golf/lacrosse it's not that big of a deal. The parents are the ones that keep bringing it back into conversation with there kids because they can't get over it. My son plays baseball and if there was even a possibility he would make it to the next phase I doubt if his baseball coach would even let him play. Golfing? Fire and Ice.... drop a line in the water sit back and have a cold one it's much more relaxing than chasing that lil white ball in the woods

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:56 pm

Nobodyonya wrote:
Fire and Ice wrote:You should have stayed golfing and fishing.

First facts are facts Centennial has one of the best programs in Mn Hockey history yes I said history the books don't lie. And well I don't agree with much of what you wrote they did do much of it without parent involvement in regards to which kids made teams. You don't win with the wrong kids and the kids know that too.

Running from District 2?? you are kidding right. That district has one solid team. I will not waste more time on this. The rest of D2 is also rans.

I don't think the boys merged with CINB I am not sure from what rock you crawled from under but my guess is you are not very knowledgeable? So you are comparing Centennial to CINB your credibility is lost with this statement. Clearly they are the strength of District 10 with Blaine, St Cloud, Elk River, and now the coming of Andover. District 2 doesn't have a second team to talk about.

I also don't believe that the Advance programs were for everyone to experience.

People give money towards tryouts because ice cost money. But I do agree let coaches pick their teams and reap the rewards or the horror of their own choices. So I take that back two things we agree on.

It is called a development program for ELITE hockey players; not all participating hockey players.

And like others on this board I believe you do have a son that was cut in the tryout phase of the process. It's alright he might make the 16's next year unless he just isn't good enough and that my friend is the problem with these processes. The parents struggle with the decisions more than the kids.

Now I'm going golfing....and guess what? I'm not that good so there will be no PGA for me.
I agree the parents struggle more than the kids do. Just how many kids REALLY struggle with the issue that they just got cut from the team. They may be frustrated, disappointed etc. when the decision is made, but after they go on to play baseball/golf/lacrosse it's not that big of a deal. The parents are the ones that keep bringing it back into conversation with there kids because they can't get over it. My son plays baseball and if there was even a possibility he would make it to the next phase I doubt if his baseball coach would even let him play. Golfing? Fire and Ice.... drop a line in the water sit back and have a cold one it's much more relaxing than chasing that lil white ball in the woods

Can we PLEASE stop the generalizations????....not every parent struggles with their kids being cut, and not all kids all ADHD and forget about being cut 5 minutes after it happens.

hockeymadman20 · Post by **hockeymadman20** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:31 am

Any final rosters???

old goalie85 · Post by **old goalie85** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:51 am

What district 2 team is the only solid one.[WBL,Stll, Rose??????] Please share!

muckandgrind · Post by **muckandgrind** » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:19 am

old goalie85 wrote:What district 2 team is the only solid one.[WBL,Stll, Rose??????] Please share!

What does that matter? There are some very solid players playing on bad teams.

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