MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad
Looks like the Mariucci conference right before FF joined the CLC
MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
1AA
Albert Lea
Hastings
Mankato East
Mankato West
New Prague
Red Wing
Rochester Century
Rochester John Marshall
Rochester Lourdes
Rochester Mayo
2AA
Andover
Anoka
Buffalo
Elk River
Little Falls
Rogers
Sauk Rapids
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
3AA
Apple Valley
Burnsville
Eagan
Eastview
Lakeville North
Lakeville South
Rosemount
South St. Paul
St. Thomas Academy
Woodbury
4AA
Cretin-Derham Hall
Forest Lake
Hill-Murray
Mahtomedi
Mounds View
Roseville
St. Paul Johnson
Stillwater
Tartan
White Bear Lake
5AA:
Blaine
Breck
Centennial
Champlin Park
Coon Rapids
Maple Grove
Osseo
Robbinsdale Armstrong
Totino-Grace
Wayzata
6AA:
Academy of Holy Angels
Benilde-St. Margaret's
Blake
Bloomington Jefferson
Eden Prairie
Edina
Hopkins
Minnetonka
Mound-Westonka
Orono
7AA:
Cloquet
Duluth Denfeld
Duluth East
Duluth Marshall
Grand Rapids
Hermantown
Hibbing
International Falls
Virginia
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad
The point that has been overlooked is that the process MSHSL goes through every 2 years is called "competative section realignment" so the idea to is make each section more competative and give the stronger teams a better change to make it to state. I belive there is also an underlying desire to maintain a certain level of regional representation so won't be seeing section 6AA or 2AA teams being moved to 7 or 8.
The MSHSL seldom makes wholesale changes and I don't think that will happen this time either. In AA you'll probably see them try to strengthen 1AA by adding Eagan and maybe another team and they look to move someone out of 6AA, perhaps Wayzata and send them to 5AA.
In the near future I could see the 2 remaining Mpls teams (and Cooper?) moving to A just as St. Paul Johnson did this year so that will force a minor re-org and some lucky school(s) will get moved in 6AA.
For next year, Duluth Central closes and Denfeld will move to the Central campus. Will Denfeld stay in 5A or move to 7A, since the league uses the location of the school in determining what section a team is in.
Also, with Chaska and Chanhassen splitting for boys hockey next season, where will the enrollment numbers put them? The enrollment listed for Chaska on the MSHSL website is 2446, which is what Chaska would have been without the new school opening. Cut that number in half, and that would put both Chan and Chaska at under 1300 students, while the A/AA cutoff is 1342.
Also, are there any other changes coming in programs? New teams? Teams combining? Coop teams splitting up? I remember rumors a year ago that Highland Park was going to try to restart a program.
[quote="hockeydad"]For next year, Duluth Central closes and Denfeld will move to the Central campus. Will Denfeld stay in 5A or move to 7A, since the league uses the location of the school in determining what section a team is in.
hockeydad wrote:For next year, Duluth Central closes and Denfeld will move to the Central campus. Will Denfeld stay in 5A or move to 7A, since the league uses the location of the school in determining what section a team is in.
Denfeld will be in 7AA making 10 teams.
of course... what was I thinking! enrollment goes way up. Thanks
[quote="MNHockey75"]A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
1AA
Albert Lea
Hastings
Mankato East
Mankato West
New Prague
Red Wing
Rochester Century
Rochester John Marshall
Rochester Lourdes
Rochester Mayo
2AA
Andover
Anoka
Buffalo
Elk River
Little Falls
Rogers
Sauk Rapids
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
3AA
Apple Valley
Burnsville
Eagan
Eastview
Lakeville North
Lakeville South
Rosemount
South St. Paul
St. Thomas Academy
Woodbury
4AA
Cretin-Derham Hall
Forest Lake
Hill-Murray
Mahtomedi
Mounds View
Roseville
St. Paul Johnson
Stillwater
Tartan
White Bear Lake
5AA:
Blaine
Breck
Centennial
Champlin Park
Coon Rapids
Maple Grove
Osseo
Robbinsdale Armstrong
Totino-Grace
Wayzata
6AA:
Academy of Holy Angels
Benilde-St. Margaret's
Blake
Bloomington Jefferson
Eden Prairie
Edina
Hopkins
Minnetonka
Mound-Westonka
Orono
7AA:
Cloquet
Duluth Denfeld
Duluth East
Duluth Marshall
Grand Rapids
Hermantown
Hibbing
International Falls
Virginia
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad[/quote]
your 6aa would just add to the already growing problem, the idea should to balance the sections not stack one.
MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad
Looks like the Mariucci conference right before FF joined the CLC
Yes. WIth the exception of Alex. I always favored the Marriucci for Fergus Falls in hockey. I know, the CLC has strong teams too....but honestly, they need to be playing Moorhead and especially East Grand Forks... as well as teh others.... I would actually like to see them trade in their TC trips for more games with those teams.
Back to the subject. I have always liked the "regional" split in class A and class AA. That way you don't have the AA tournement being the twin cities championship.....
I believe that schools that are large for their areas need to compete in the larger class. Bemidji, Detroit Lakes, Fergus Falls, Alexandria, Thief River Falls...all need to be competing in the bigger classes in athletics. It has become something of a joke lately. You don't even have to imagine this: Fergus Falls and Detoit Lakes compete in Class AA in baseball. That means that they compete with Breckenridge, Ottertail Central(Battle Lake).... not right. TO GARY SCHULER: Move all teams to where they belong....... Fergus Falls does not need to compete with Breckenridge in the playoffs...get real...
MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
4AA
Cretin-Derham Hall
Forest Lake
Hill-Murray
Mahtomedi
Mounds View
Roseville
St. Paul Johnson
Stillwater
Tartan
White Bear Lake
Mnhock.. I kinda agree, however, North High has 1700 studemts, and their program is in better shape than St. Paul Johnson's, in terms of numbers at the youth levels, as well. I agree with St. Paul Johnson now being in Class A, and feel that St. Paul Como and the Saints should also move to Class A. Although the school sizes are under 1,100 students, the St. Paul schools and Mpls inner city schools have to co-op, and therefore, that means these should be labled as at a competitive disadvantage - if that is indeed what the intent is..
MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad
Looks like the Mariucci conference right before FF joined the CLC
Yes. WIth the exception of Alex. I always favored the Marriucci for Fergus Falls in hockey. I know, the CLC has strong teams too....but honestly, they need to be playing Moorhead and especially East Grand Forks... as well as teh others.... I would actually like to see them trade in their TC trips for more games with those teams.
Back to the subject. I have always liked the "regional" split in class A and class AA. That way you don't have the AA tournement being the twin cities championship.....
I believe that schools that are large for their areas need to compete in the larger class. Bemidji, Detroit Lakes, Fergus Falls, Alexandria, Thief River Falls...all need to be competing in the bigger classes in athletics. It has become something of a joke lately. You don't even have to imagine this: Fergus Falls and Detoit Lakes compete in Class AA in baseball. That means that they compete with Breckenridge, Ottertail Central(Battle Lake).... not right. TO GARY SCHULER: Move all teams to where they belong....... Fergus Falls does not need to compete with Breckenridge in the playoffs...get real...
I thought Alex was being moved back to AA because their enrollment #'s are increasing?? They are a top 64 school and rising, are they not??
MNHockey75 wrote:A few years ago I put together some new sections. I split the state in half. AA and A. Class AA was comprised of big schools and good programs. Class A was comprised of small schools and big schools with bad programs. Some decent programs had to end up in A. Then I put the sections together strictly by location. Some ended up stacked, but oh well. Class A is dreadful but it would allow new faces to burst on the scene and allow some kids to get a taste of winning. These are my dreams sections:
1AA
Albert Lea
Hastings
Mankato East
Mankato West
New Prague
Red Wing
Rochester Century
Rochester John Marshall
Rochester Lourdes
Rochester Mayo
2AA
Andover
Anoka
Buffalo
Elk River
Little Falls
Rogers
Sauk Rapids
St. Cloud Apollo
St. Cloud Cathedral
St. Cloud Tech
3AA
Apple Valley
Burnsville
Eagan
Eastview
Lakeville North
Lakeville South
Rosemount
South St. Paul
St. Thomas Academy
Woodbury
4AA
Cretin-Derham Hall
Forest Lake
Hill-Murray
Mahtomedi
Mounds View
Roseville
St. Paul Johnson
Stillwater
Tartan
White Bear Lake
5AA:
Blaine
Breck
Centennial
Champlin Park
Coon Rapids
Maple Grove
Osseo
Robbinsdale Armstrong
Totino-Grace
Wayzata
6AA:
Academy of Holy Angels
Benilde-St. Margaret's
Blake
Bloomington Jefferson
Eden Prairie
Edina
Hopkins
Minnetonka
Mound-Westonka
Orono
7AA:
Cloquet
Duluth Denfeld
Duluth East
Duluth Marshall
Grand Rapids
Hermantown Hibbing
International Falls
Virginia
Well since you would have Ely, Two Harbors/Silver Bay, Possibly Greenway(if they have a team), Eveleth for 7A ARE YOU KIDDING???
8AA:
Alexandria
Bemidji
Brainerd
East Grand Forks
Fergus Falls
Moorhead
Roseau
Thief River Falls
Warroad
Looks like the Mariucci conference right before FF joined the CLC
Yes. WIth the exception of Alex. I always favored the Marriucci for Fergus Falls in hockey. I know, the CLC has strong teams too....but honestly, they need to be playing Moorhead and especially East Grand Forks... as well as teh others.... I would actually like to see them trade in their TC trips for more games with those teams.
Back to the subject. I have always liked the "regional" split in class A and class AA. That way you don't have the AA tournement being the twin cities championship.....
I believe that schools that are large for their areas need to compete in the larger class. Bemidji, Detroit Lakes, Fergus Falls, Alexandria, Thief River Falls...all need to be competing in the bigger classes in athletics. It has become something of a joke lately. You don't even have to imagine this: Fergus Falls and Detoit Lakes compete in Class AA in baseball. That means that they compete with Breckenridge, Ottertail Central(Battle Lake).... not right. TO GARY SCHULER: Move all teams to where they belong....... Fergus Falls does not need to compete with Breckenridge in the playoffs...get real...
I thought Alex was being moved back to AA because their enrollment #'s are increasing?? They are a top 64 school and rising, are they not??
If Alex is moved back up to AA, it wouldn't be until 2011-12. MSHSL moved them down for 09-10 and 10-11. they redo the sections every two years.
