DID THE REFS ACTUALLY BLOW A GAME????

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Over-turn the game?

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Junior Samples
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Sounds political - what else is new?

Post by Junior Samples »

BBB wrote:
Alvin Samples, Jr. wrote:If somebody doesn't expose the travesty that took place here, then the dignity of the game of hockey is at risk.
I have got news for you Jr., the game has bigger things to worry about than a blown call at a fergus falls hs hockey game. Regardless of the call, hockey as a sport will be ok. In fact, with the success of the US Olympic team and how well hockey was portrayed on a world scale the same time of the FF/Sartell game, I don't think the game is in trouble.
I don't care what level the game is played at. The game of hockey is at risk when the rules are violated by the very entity that created them, and the agents they've hired to represent and administer those rules; especially when accountability was ignored and no acceptable defense was even remotely attempted by said entity.
BBB wrote:
Alvin Samples, Jr. wrote:What life lesson did the MSHSL teach these young men who were on the short end of the stick?
Life isn't always fair. Deal with it and move on. It isn't the worst thing that will ever happen to these players.
Wrong answer. The lesson is: "Go ahead and make mistakes and you will get bailed out whether you admit them or not - either way you will not be held accountable - nobody will."

Of course this all makes sense now - BBB
Better Business Bureau (I've dealt with them with similiar results)
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wingmaster
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Post by wingmaster »

bronco2828 wrote:
wingmaster wrote:
bronco2828 wrote:This is one instance where a blown call should be over turned. But we all know how idiotic the MSHSL can be. If it were a college or pro game the play would have been reviewed and that would have given the officials plenty of time to discuss the the play and get the call right. From this day forward I hope that all the Refs get some kind of communication on the situation and the correct ruling is made in the future. Maybe figure out some way to have cameras above the goal line for all section semi-final and final games. Expensive, But it would keep these type of situations having the wrong ruling and the wrong team going to the "X".
Well then you should have ran on the ice and declared i will pay for the the cameras, and the situation would have never made it to a forum of a bunch of has-beens. Like myself.

Idiot wingmaster. Nuff said.
Just stay in the Falls and everything will be OK
BBB
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Post by BBB »

You and anyone else pissed off about this pale in comparison to how pissed off the Fergus Falls coaching staff is.
And your point is?
defense
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Post by defense »

wingmaster wrote:
ACTUALFORMERPLAYER wrote:
wingmaster wrote: Well then you should have ran on the ice and declared i will pay for the the cameras, and the situation would have never made it to a forum of a bunch of has-beens. Like myself.
I am in the minority here I think, BUT if they review goals at the X to make sure a teams season doesn't end incorrectly don't all the teams deserve the same courtesy? What I really want is the reviews to end at state and the refs to just do the job they are payed to do.
The X has camera equipment! High School rinks do not. you are also in the minority just to confirm that for you.
I have also never been a fan of the replay. Way overused in many instances. In this instance however, it seems that replay has nothing to do with it whatsoever. According to those there, the reason the goal was dissallowed was: The puck hit the post, redirected off post to the back of the goalie's leg and into the net. According to the ref, the puck was "dead" as soon as it hit the post. Now, if all of this is correct, it is taken as FACT that the puck whent into the net this way. Evidently no one questioned the fact that the puck hit the post, hit the back of goalie's leg and went into the net because that is the very reason they dissallowed the goal.
In this case, according to reports, the refs screwed up. They did not consult the rule book even when requested. They did not consult the rule book even when the coach requested it on a play that meant the end of the game.
Just a little more on this: Fergus Falls lost twice to Sartell during the regular season this year. They hadn't scored a goal against them: 5-0, 4-0. Fergus Falls did play competitive games against Alexandria 3-2, 3-1 even without their top player and in an uninspired second match. If you wuoldn't be upset if you were part of Fergus Falls hockey, you better check your pulse.
skiumah
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Re: accountability

Post by skiumah »

Junior Samples wrote:
You and anyone else pissed off about this pale in comparison to how pissed off the Fergus Falls coaching staff is. :roll:
What, for not having a rule book on the bench? I bet that coaching staff won't leave home without it.
RamWarrior
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Post by RamWarrior »

Look at the bright side mite hav saved them from getting destroyed by Mahtomedi :-k
Roseauverrated
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Post by Roseauverrated »

My god I can't believe you guys are still complaining about this. Refs make bad calls, it happens all the time, sometimes it changes the outcome of the game, get over it. This isn't the first time something like this has happened and it won't be the last. This was a game between two teams that weren't even that good anyway, it's not like they would have won state or anything.
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Post by Snap Shot »

inthestands wrote:I was given this info directly during a personal phone call with a high level person at MSHSL. The source also told me they are working on a system to prevent a repeat, and may look at changing the way situations like this are handled regarding reversing a clear rules error in the future.

In defense of MSHSL, this person was very responsive to my inquiry. If you have a better source, let us know.

I don't have a better source, nor did I say I had pertinent information either way on this situation. But others here have.

I don't buy into the "here say" on message boards. If there has been an admission to wrong doing, let's have a link to define exactly what happened..

"If" there was a mistake made, and the MSHSL is looking into correcting future issues, that is what a responsible organization should do. Bottom line, when you have humans making decisions in sporting events, there will always be the potential for controversy in decision making. The system can be improved, but not perfected.

Until then, I'll wait for some sort of better proof other than "he said, she said". Unless of course you have a name, and that person is willing to make a public statement..
"I don't have a better source, nor did I say I had pertinent information either way on this situation."

Then, repectfully, you have no basis to question the facts here. 'Nuff said.

""If" there was a mistake made, and the MSHSL is looking into correcting future issues, that is what a responsible organization should do. Bottom line, when you have humans making decisions in sporting events, there will always be the potential for controversy in decision making. The system can be improved, but not perfected."

I think you and others again are missing the point. This was not just a "bad judgement call." This was an incorect application of a rule which resulted in a final outcome at an instant in time, which in this rare instance could have been corrected after the fact to get the right outcome. It's that simple. It's not a human judgement call like...was the puck in the net or not. The rule was not applied correctly. The game was final at that point in time. Period.

"Until then, I'll wait for some sort of better proof other than "he said, she said". Unless of course you have a name, and that person is willing to make a public statement..[/quote]"

Not being disrespectful, but I don't care what kind of "proof" you are looking for. Do your own homework as I did and make the contacts with the appropriate officials. The schools have been informed of the outcome, and I will choose to keep my source confidential for many reasons which I do not need to explain to you. Believe me, or don't. I know what I know because I asked the right questions to the right people. They are dealing with it and I see no need to drag their names into this.

I just hope they fix this in the future, its really an easy fix in these rare situations. It simply requires a mechanisim or review group to deal with these rare situations on a case by case basis if it involves a misapplied rule that affected a final outcome of a game in overtime that would have ended the game at that point.

I'm done with this discussion. Time to enjoy the tourney. I hope there are some closer games tomorrow!
fivehole628
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Re: accountability

Post by fivehole628 »

Junior Samples wrote:
fivehole628 wrote:Time to grow up Junior :roll: This is over a week old, your team lost, get over it! How can you say that "human error" is insulting?? Have you never made a mistake?? I thought so. And I guarentee you a different result would not have happened, Fergus would have lost anyway.

Honestly I could care less about this topic anymore because it's dead and gone now. But your arrogance is getting to the extreme... and i'm sure i'm not the only one your pissing off...

Get over it and move on. Thank you.
Perhaps you should go in for some anger management counseling fivehole628 if this is really stressing you out. I never said "human error is insulting" - I said the ruling by the MSHSL was insulting because it was a cop out. An easy way out of taking responsibility for a decision regarding THEIR hockey tournament. Maybe if you quit "speed reading" or at least take a course in "comprehension class" that statement wouldn't have zipped over your skull.

We'll see if you care about this topic anymore - subsequent comments will prove otherwise. It won't go away - maybe on minnhock, but I assure you this will never go away. It will be cited and referred to in the future on many, many occasions, trust me.

You and anyone else pissed off about this pale in comparison to how pissed off the Fergus Falls coaching staff is. :roll:

Since you're so inclined to tell others what to do on this website, perhaps I'll throw your own words back at you:

Get over it and move on. Thank you.
:lol:
Funny funny
conditioningsucks
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Post by conditioningsucks »

Geez....this thread needs to go away.

You guys lost. The Vikings lost to Dallas in the 70's. The US Olympic hoops team got jobbed at the '72 olympics.

Refs make bad calls sometimes. Over the history of mankind, the bad calls will balance out.

Plus....you guys would've shown up at the X and got destroyed 22-1.
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Post by Roseauverrated »

conditioningsucks wrote:Geez....this thread needs to go away.

You guys lost. The Vikings lost to Dallas in the 70's. The US Olympic hoops team got jobbed at the '72 olympics.

Refs make bad calls sometimes. Over the history of mankind, the bad calls will balance out.

Plus....you guys would've shown up at the X and got destroyed 22-1.
Amen to that! Image
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