2000 MACHINE VS 2000 BLADES

TheJet · Post by **TheJet** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:22 pm

Valid and not sure 30% less is that unreasonable of a number. My original post/concern was 1 kid getting 1 total shift in two games, and my gut was they were not communicated with that he is/was a practice player.

dakotakid · Post by **dakotakid** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:23 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:Good grief. I've had reservations regarding the alliance; I am still skeptical that it will end well for those investing time and money into it. However, it is apparent that there needs to be a multi-tiered system; not divided by the talent of the kids, but by the attitudes of the parents.

Skate hard for 100+ hours, win the game/tournament form a line to the right.

Sing Kum Ba Yah while roasting marshmallows for the post game snack, please stay to the left.

Both sides feel the need to defend themselves and their approaches, however, neither of these approaches is incorrect; it depends on your own child. If he's gung-ho and you have the wherewithal to feed his desire, then go for it. If he's having as much fun in the pool as he is on the ice, then load the cart with Little Debbies. Horsewhipping the kid who'd rather be making mud pies will make him hate the game; the same result will occur if you try to replace competition with a juice box and a bag of multi-colored goldfish to the kid that can't get enough.

(inigo) if you think I am in favor of every one being equal,I'm not.We are talking about kids who probably are the best kids on there winter A team.These are'nt B and C team kids. As long as the kids don't hurt you give them some ice time. Not 1 or 2 shifts a game. And as far as Dave's comment about the parents not being able to handle there kid sitting, and just want to see there son score. he's dead wrong. It's the parent who is willing to watch his son be miserable just so he can say his son plays on a particular team that needs to get a grip and stop trying to live through his son.

sorno82 · Post by **sorno82** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:29 pm

Maybe he just forgot to wear his tie to the game? That will teach him!

iwearmysunglassesatnight · Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:15 pm

inigo) if you think I am in favor of every one being equal,I'm not.We are talking about kids who probably are the best kids on there winter A team.These are'nt B and C team kids.

Dakota

These are 2000 birth year kids correct? That is sweet to know they were the best player on their mite A team this past winter. Hopefully those pesty B / C mites will someday catch up.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:44 pm

(inigo) if you think I am in favor of every one being equal,I'm not.We are talking about kids who probably are the best kids on there winter A team.These are'nt B and C team kids. As long as the kids don't hurt you give them some ice time. Not 1 or 2 shifts a game. And as far as Dave's comment about the parents not being able to handle there kid sitting, and just want to see there son score. he's dead wrong. It's the parent who is willing to watch his son be miserable just so he can say his son plays on a particular team that needs to get a grip and stop trying to live through his son.

I agree with your last sentence, there is quite a bit of that going on, both in the summer and in the winter. The office watercooler hero may not even see that his kid is standing still while 9 others blow right by him.

However, the remainder of your post gives the feeling of disagreeing with your argument. They are not all equal, but they should get treated equally; wouldn't treating them 'fairly' rather than 'equally' be a better goal. It sounds a little like a dad whose kid dominated the local association, but hasn't quite caught up to the speed of the summer game - hopefully the coaches saw something in him and have a plan to develope him rather than allowing him to flop around on the ice when he's not ready. The best case would be for coaches to select players they feel will contribute to the team; if he can't play, then don't pick him. The worst case would be to throw him in the deep end and watch him drown. That being said, I did hear of a youngster that didn't play a lick in Detroit last year; don't know how the kid felt, but i hear the parents were less than pleased.

low stick · Post by **low stick** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:00 pm

[quote="HockeyGuy37"]YeahYeahYeah
I am not tip toeing around anything...I have a son in the program and we are excited about it and I am happy to help promote the program.
I will re-phrase my original post to say - I heard a lot of the top 2000's from the Northern Suburbs are skating Miracle.
I watched some of the evaluations and know some of the boys skating the 2000 program who are very skilled and the parents told me they turned down the programs mentioned to skate the Miracle program for various reasons.

LET'S SEE IT!!

00' MIRACLE vs 00' MACHINE

MM CAN PROBABLY FIND SOME OPEN ICE!!

dakotakid · Post by **dakotakid** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:12 pm

(sunglasses)I was mainly talking about squirt A and pee wee A players not the 2000 kids. I will bet you the machine kids played A hockey last year and were the top players.And for the record I had kids at the invite last weekend and our teams did very well, dispite rolling 3 lines and only practicing three times before the weekend.It's just a matter of what you want to do. Most of our kids play baseball,or soccer. and only want to play 2or3 tournys a summer and be done by june1. our teams won half our games and the others could have gone eather way. We competed at the top level,did very well,all kids played and had fun. What a concept.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:56 pm

Were all 3 of your kids on teams that played in the Meltdown Invitational? Did they all have success in the win column? Did you coach all 3 teams?

dakotakid · Post by **dakotakid** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:08 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:Were all 3 of your kids on teams that played in the Meltdown Invitational? Did they all have success in the win column? Did you coach all 3 teams?

One kid and I coached. The other 2 are on teams more in the open caliber.

Dave's a mess! · Post by **Dave's a mess!** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:42 pm

InigoMontoya wrote:
(inigo) However, the remainder of your post gives the feeling of disagreeing with your argument. They are not all equal, but they should get treated equally; wouldn't treating them 'fairly' rather than 'equally' be a better goal.
See a lot of common sense in this quote!

The world is not "equal" so why should we condition our kids to think that way? I think there are two lines of thinking as far as playing time; 1.) all kids should play equal amounts in games thus advancing their skills that way, 2.) the best players get more ice based on performance thus that is a motivating factor to the kids that aren't getting as much playing time to work harder to get their level of play up to that of the top players and be rewarded with more ice time.

Plain and simple just two different philosophies - everyone who knows which philosophy their team runs - if you don't you should have done your homework before signing your kid up or quit bitching about it or about how one team does it and then beats another team by doing it that way. It's not a secret so quit acting so surprised.

I'll be at the water cooler.

EnjoyTheShow · Post by **EnjoyTheShow** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:12 pm

I'll be at the water cooler.[/quote]

Yes, Yes you will.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:13 am

How is this age level looking for this season? Machine team was probably the best last summer. Close behind were the Blades and Miracle that were pretty evenly matched. How about the Skate To Excellence team I've been hearing about? What other teams are looking strong for this summer?

nhl'er · Post by **nhl'er** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:17 am

MrBoDangles wrote:How is this age level looking for this season? Machine team was probably the best last summer. Close behind were the Blades and Miracle that were pretty evenly matched. How about the Skate To Excellence team I've been hearing about? What other teams are looking strong for this summer?

From what I understand in the make up of these teams this year that there won't be any other team even close to either of these teams this year at this age level. Most of the top players from these other teams have gravitated to either the Machine or the Blades. But at these age levels, who really knows..

EnjoyTheShow · Post by **EnjoyTheShow** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:42 am

I heard the blade lost their top 3 players. I also was told the miracle lost a lot. I know they lost their coach and a couple their best player from last year. It looks like the machine picked up a lot of those kids. Rumor is the machine was even letting one of them make it to practice when he can, as he plays at a high level in another sport.

nhl'er · Post by **nhl'er** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:20 pm

My buddy who's kid plays one the team said they they lost two of their better players, but they picked up 5-6 new kids kids equal to those two players that left. He also said the new coach is one of the best coaches around the cities. He said the players really like him alot.

phil mccracken · Post by **phil mccracken** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:38 pm

nhl'er wrote:My buddy who's kid plays one the team said they they lost two of their better players, but they picked up 5-6 new kids kids equal to those two players that left. He also said the new coach is one of the best coaches around the cities. He said the players really like him alot.

You must be referring to the Blades 2000 coach. If so, those kids indeed are very fortunate to have Scott Steffen as head coach. No question about that. I don't know who the Machine 2000 coach is, perhaps he is just as good.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:43 pm

EnjoyTheShow wrote:I heard the blade lost their top 3 players. I also was told the miracle lost a lot. I know they lost their coach and a couple their best player from last year. It looks like the machine picked up a lot of those kids. Rumor is the machine was even letting one of them make it to practice when he can, as he plays at a high level in another sport.

I also heard the Blades lost some of their top talent to the Icemen. The Miracle coach (son) and a couple of very good players went over to Skate To Excellence. The Miracle picked up a few very good players including one of the top players from the Legacy. I didn't hear of any of the northern boys going to the Machine.

GreatOne99 · Post by **GreatOne99** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:44 pm

phil mccracken wrote:
nhl'er wrote:My buddy who's kid plays one the team said they they lost two of their better players, but they picked up 5-6 new kids kids equal to those two players that left. He also said the new coach is one of the best coaches around the cities. He said the players really like him alot.

You must be referring to the Blades 2000 coach. If so, those kids indeed are very fortunate to have Scott Steffen as head coach. No question about that. I don't know who the Machine 2000 coach is, perhaps he is just as good.

2000 Machine coach is NOT even close to the caliber of Steffen. Those Blades families are indeed very fortunate, and you will see the difference as the years go by.

dogeatdog1 · Post by **dogeatdog1** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:00 pm

GreatOne99 wrote:
phil mccracken wrote:
nhl'er wrote:My buddy who's kid plays one the team said they they lost two of their better players, but they picked up 5-6 new kids kids equal to those two players that left. He also said the new coach is one of the best coaches around the cities. He said the players really like him alot.

You must be referring to the Blades 2000 coach. If so, those kids indeed are very fortunate to have Scott Steffen as head coach. No question about that. I don't know who the Machine 2000 coach is, perhaps he is just as good.
2000 Machine coach is NOT even close to the caliber of Steffen. Those Blades families are indeed very fortunate, and you will see the difference as the years go by.

Scott you don't need to pat yourself on the back....

everybody knows that you did a good job ( this is an attempt at humor people so don't go off on me)

EnjoyTheShow · Post by **EnjoyTheShow** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:08 pm

its early but from what I hear the blades, and miracle aren't going to be top level teams at this age group. The Icemen will be much improved, but still not a factor against the top in state and out of state teams. these 2 teams lost a lot to the machine and skate to excellence and Icemen just don't have enough.

My 2 cents. In a couple months I might find out I'm way off.

noIinteam · Post by **noIinteam** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:53 pm

machine coach is excellent.

team has extremeley low turnover - kids love the coach - all top players wanted to come back - add in a solid addition from the blades + 2-3 good hockey players from north metro -- 2010 should be decent

would be great if blades would commit to 3 or 4 game series over the summer? hear blades are all about FUN so why not?

High Off The Glass · Post by **High Off The Glass** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:44 am

noIinteam wrote:machine coach is excellent.

team has extremeley low turnover - kids love the coach - all top players wanted to come back - add in a solid addition from the blades + 2-3 good hockey players from north metro -- 2010 should be decent

would be great if blades would commit to 3 or 4 game series over the summer? hear blades are all about FUN so why not?

Please elaberate. Excellent in what way? Explain how a parent coach, with very limited playing experience (if any, and I'm being kind), is going to develop your son. To be honest, a trained monkey can take the best 8-9 year old kids in the metro area coach and win hockey games, but years down the road, will these kids develop under a coach with no real coaching or playing experience. You must ask yourself, with the money your spending in that program, do you deserve better than parent coaching? Don't you already get that from association hockey? I'm not trying to turn this into another Blade vs. Machine thread, but it's a question worth asking

takeitwide · Post by **takeitwide** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 9:55 am

noIinteam wrote:machine coach is excellent.

team has extremeley low turnover - kids love the coach - all top players wanted to come back - add in a solid addition from the blades + 2-3 good hockey players from north metro -- 2010 should be decent

would be great if blades would commit to 3 or 4 game series over the summer? hear blades are all about FUN so why not?

It's funny rumor has it that the Machine coach was talking to the Blades with his 97,00. There is no comparison between coaches Blades have a coach with a proven track record and serious player development skills. Although he will have his work cut out with the 2000. As for the 3 or 4 game series didnt Machine try that with the 99 Blades and it back fired on them?

letsroll11 · Post by **letsroll11** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:08 am

Who Cares?

HockeyDad41 · Post by **HockeyDad41** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:14 am

I keep hearing how great the 2000 coach is for Skate to Excellence 2000 team. Anyone know about this program?