Final Section playoff is joke

[Lakeviewing]

Eastside, how does two subpar Lake Conference teams make the State Tounney. Common man. Lakeville and Apple Valley, Don't get me wrong, they won in their sections. What about Burnsville, Jefferson and EP. To see Lakeville and Apple Valley, two Lake Conference team make it to the State Tournament is a joke.

Lakeviewing, this is just rediculous. So HM doesnt even have a chance? You just said the Edina is unbeatable to the Lake conference teams in section 2. So i guess Apple Valley is also so horrible for section 3. Cretin was over looked in Sec 3 in 2006 when they completely ran the table after game 1 of the state tourney. they were not ranked high and won out convincingly. Apple Vally prepared well for their game against Woodbury and played the type of game they needed to to win. how about just congratulating them on winning and punching their ticket to the X! Is a new tourney format required in your opinion to allow your team another opportunity to lose another game, but this time on TV? Get over the format and just enjoy our greatest passtime of icehockey. Im sure that there are plenty of other homers on this forum that wish their team was still playing this next week, but the fact is, they are not. IMHO, the other boys sports in the state are to watered down and diluted. The sections are separated in the state the way they are in order to give a geographic representation of Minnesota hockey. If you truely love to see the big match ups that you are talking about, go attend all the section playoff games. Each of the boys that play in any of the sections, know the format in wich they will have to travel to get to the X and be a representative of their respective sections. they put forth the best effort to get there, and that is what makes those games great. not making it to the X does not make them any less of an individual hockey player. Quit trying to live vicariously through these athletes. You will enjoy the game much more thouroughly.

[snakedude11]

Lakeviewing this whole thing is stupid, basically what your saying is that the MSHSL should go to all this trouble to reassign teams to different sections just to make a few cities teams happy because they are in a tough section? If your going to go thru all that trouble then you might as well reassign all the 8AA teams that can never get by Moorhead or Roseau too. Absolutly a selfish post, completly idiotic, ohh boo hoo 5 of the top 8 teams in the state are in one section. Just because a piece of paper says they are the top 5 teams in the state, doesnt mean that they are, and instead of ripping on two teams you think are a joke for being in the tourny, why dont you suck up your pride and congradulate them.

[Slap Shot]

I don't know that section realignment is necessary strictly for the purpose of trying to get some of the perceived better teams to the tournament, but I am curious if the assumed two or three weakest sections have been viewed as such for the past 5 years? 10? 15?

[karl(east)]

I don't know that section realignment is necessary strictly for the purpose of trying to get some of the perceived better teams to the tournament, but I am curious if the assumed two or three weakest sections have been viewed as such for the past 5 years? 10? 15?

Section 1 has always been weak.

But beyond that, just about all of them have had their ups and downs. The east metro has generally been weaker than the west metro, but they've held their own most of the time. The current section 5 was probably the top section at the start of the decade, though wasn't that great before then. Aside from Holy Angels, sections 2 and 6 really didn't do anything between 98 and 08. The most consistently strong sections over the past 15 years have been 7 and 8.

[Trojanhorse]

Just because a piece of paper says they are the top 5 teams in the state, does not mean that they are,

The "piece of paper" says Lakeville North was 1-6-1 against teams in 6AA and 2AA.

Its not just the best teams getting a bad deal. Chaska/Chan beat LN 5-3 late in the season but was one and done against 4-seed AHA in 2AA.

C/C earned a 5-seed in a tough section. As a 5-seed, C/C should have been playing a comparable 4-seed team. Instead the had to face a top ten team in their first playoff game.

The current section alignment eliminates most of the best metro teams and replaces them with weaker metro teams. That is not a good situation.

[Hoops]

Just because a piece of paper says they are the top 5 teams in the state, does not mean that they are,

The "piece of paper" says Lakeville North was 1-6-1 against teams in 6AA and 2AA.

Its not just the best teams getting a bad deal. Chaska/Chan beat LN 5-3 late in the season but was one and done against 4-seed AHA in 2AA.

C/C earned a 5-seed in a tough section. As a 5-seed, C/C should have been playing a comparable 4-seed team. Instead the had to face a top ten team in their first playoff game.

The current section alignment eliminates most of the best metro teams and replaces them with weaker metro teams. That is not a good situation.

The bottom line is Wayzata lost to a team they should have beat...EP. The only thing tough about their section was Minnetonka...which they failed to even get to. Apple Valley had to beat Eagan to get to the finals...Eagan and EP were about dead even. So the road to the finals of the section was the same.

Minnetonka is a great team. Everyone else from 2-15 in ratings is above average at best. Only one great team this yr so I don't want to hear anymore about 2AA and 6AA having tough/great sections when they weren't. Edina/Brns/Jeff/ Holy Angels..yea real powerhouses..right.

[eastside hockey]

Allright, I will agree with Karl in the point that section 1 is traditionally weak, but to create section parity for next season, the ups and downs anually will make you want to change it again next year. I suppose for the sake of argument, then we should move Burnsville and Hastings to section 1 to strenghten it. Move Hill to section three, so if Apple valley gets to the X again, you can't complain, and White bear will actually have a chance to win a final. But we will replace Hills spot with Centennial. With the competition in section 3, Hill probably won't have the easy ride it has enjoyed. We can put Eden Prairie back in 2 just so your section doesn't become the old section 1. I still don't think this will help your home team of BL Kenedy to get to the X next year though

[The51]

Just because a piece of paper says they are the top 5 teams in the state, does not mean that they are,

The "piece of paper" says Lakeville North was 1-6-1 against teams in 6AA and 2AA.

Its not just the best teams getting a bad deal. Chaska/Chan beat LN 5-3 late in the season but was one and done against 4-seed AHA in 2AA.

C/C earned a 5-seed in a tough section. As a 5-seed, C/C should have been playing a comparable 4-seed team. Instead the had to face a top ten team in their first playoff game.

The current section alignment eliminates most of the best metro teams and replaces them with weaker metro teams. That is not a good situation.

The bottom line is Wayzata lost to a team they should have beat...EP. The only thing tough about their section was Minnetonka...which they failed to even get to. Apple Valley had to beat Eagan to get to the finals...Eagan and EP were about dead even. So the road to the finals of the section was the same.

Minnetonka is a great team. Everyone else from 2-15 in ratings is above average at best. Only one great team this yr so I don't want to hear anymore about 2AA and 6AA having tough/great sections when they weren't. Edina/Brns/Jeff/ Holy Angels..yea real powerhouses..right.

You must be kidding... 2 problems with your post here, 1. Eagan and Eden Prairie were no where near equal this year. Sure Eagan beat them once in overtime 4-3 but EP dominated them in shots that game and also beat them 7-1 earlier in the year. 2. How can you say 6AA isnt that "tough" when the section had #1 Minnetonka, #2 Wayzata, and #3 Eden Prairie? Find me another section that was even close to that tough. Same with 2AA #6 Edina, #7 Burnsville, and #9 Jefferson. There are 6 of the top 10 teams this year.

[Hoops]

The "piece of paper" says Lakeville North was 1-6-1 against teams in 6AA and 2AA.

Its not just the best teams getting a bad deal. Chaska/Chan beat LN 5-3 late in the season but was one and done against 4-seed AHA in 2AA.

C/C earned a 5-seed in a tough section. As a 5-seed, C/C should have been playing a comparable 4-seed team. Instead the had to face a top ten team in their first playoff game.

The current section alignment eliminates most of the best metro teams and replaces them with weaker metro teams. That is not a good situation.

The bottom line is Wayzata lost to a team they should have beat...EP. The only thing tough about their section was Minnetonka...which they failed to even get to. Apple Valley had to beat Eagan to get to the finals...Eagan and EP were about dead even. So the road to the finals of the section was the same.

Minnetonka is a great team. Everyone else from 2-15 in ratings is above average at best. Only one great team this yr so I don't want to hear anymore about 2AA and 6AA having tough/great sections when they weren't. Edina/Brns/Jeff/ Holy Angels..yea real powerhouses..right.

You must be kidding... 2 problems with your post here, 1. Eagan and Eden Prairie were no where near equal this year. Sure Eagan beat them once in overtime 4-3 but EP dominated them in shots that game and also beat them 7-1 earlier in the year. 2. How can you say 6AA isnt that "tough" when the section had #1 Minnetonka, #2 Wayzata, and #3 Eden Prairie? Find me another section that was even close to that tough. Same with 2AA #6 Edina, #7 Burnsville, and #9 Jefferson. There are 6 of the top 10 teams this year.

You heard me. Obviously you weren't at that 2nd EP/Eagan game. #9 Jefferson is proof that the top teams had a down yr. MTKA is impressive...no one else. EP was no where near the team they were last yr....Burnsville was a good grinding hockey team like 15 others..Wayzata had no firepower ...so quit crying about the sections.

[The51]

The bottom line is Wayzata lost to a team they should have beat...EP. The only thing tough about their section was Minnetonka...which they failed to even get to. Apple Valley had to beat Eagan to get to the finals...Eagan and EP were about dead even. So the road to the finals of the section was the same.

Minnetonka is a great team. Everyone else from 2-15 in ratings is above average at best. Only one great team this yr so I don't want to hear anymore about 2AA and 6AA having tough/great sections when they weren't. Edina/Brns/Jeff/ Holy Angels..yea real powerhouses..right.

You must be kidding... 2 problems with your post here, 1. Eagan and Eden Prairie were no where near equal this year. Sure Eagan beat them once in overtime 4-3 but EP dominated them in shots that game and also beat them 7-1 earlier in the year. 2. How can you say 6AA isnt that "tough" when the section had #1 Minnetonka, #2 Wayzata, and #3 Eden Prairie? Find me another section that was even close to that tough. Same with 2AA #6 Edina, #7 Burnsville, and #9 Jefferson. There are 6 of the top 10 teams this year.

You heard me. Obviously you weren't at that 2nd EP/Eagan game. #9 Jefferson is proof that the top teams had a down yr. MTKA is impressive...no one else. EP was no where near the team they were last yr....Burnsville was a good grinding hockey team like 15 others..Wayzata had no firepower ...so quit crying about the sections.

You tell me which is better

Group A:
Lakeville North
Edina
Apple Valley
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

or

Group B:
Minnetonka
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

Everyones arguments about you never know who the top teams are gonna be because kids graduate only helps prove the point that a 64 team ncaa style tournament is the best.

[DubCHAGuy]

You must be kidding... 2 problems with your post here, 1. Eagan and Eden Prairie were no where near equal this year. Sure Eagan beat them once in overtime 4-3 but EP dominated them in shots that game and also beat them 7-1 earlier in the year. 2. How can you say 6AA isnt that "tough" when the section had #1 Minnetonka, #2 Wayzata, and #3 Eden Prairie? Find me another section that was even close to that tough. Same with 2AA #6 Edina, #7 Burnsville, and #9 Jefferson. There are 6 of the top 10 teams this year.

You heard me. Obviously you weren't at that 2nd EP/Eagan game. #9 Jefferson is proof that the top teams had a down yr. MTKA is impressive...no one else. EP was no where near the team they were last yr....Burnsville was a good grinding hockey team like 15 others..Wayzata had no firepower ...so quit crying about the sections.

You tell me which is better

Group A:
Lakeville North
Edina
Apple Valley
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

or

Group B:
Minnetonka
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

Everyones arguments about you never know who the top teams are gonna be because kids graduate only helps prove the point that a 64 team ncaa style tournament is the best.

Wasn't that tournament at the X in December?

[Trojanhorse]

Hoops-your LN guys were 2-6-1 against those "not tough" sections.

With "no firepower", Wayzata beat LN 6-1.

EP beat LN twice, 4-2 and 7-2

"Grinding" Burnsville beat them 6-0 and 5-4

[The51]

You heard me. Obviously you weren't at that 2nd EP/Eagan game. #9 Jefferson is proof that the top teams had a down yr. MTKA is impressive...no one else. EP was no where near the team they were last yr....Burnsville was a good grinding hockey team like 15 others..Wayzata had no firepower ...so quit crying about the sections.

You tell me which is better

Group A:
Lakeville North
Edina
Apple Valley
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

or

Group B:
Minnetonka
Wayzata
Eden Prairie
Hill-Murray
Blaine
Edina
Duluth East
Roseau

Everyones arguments about you never know who the top teams are gonna be because kids graduate only helps prove the point that a 64 team ncaa style tournament is the best.

Wasn't that tournament at the X in December?

not really Roseau EP and Wayzata werent in it, instead you had Holy Angels, White Bear Lake, and St. Thomas

I feel after the top 6 of; Minnetonka, Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Edina, Hill-Murray, and Blaine. there is a bit of a drop off and then there is a huge mess of # of teams that all could be at the X if the top 8 teams went. How fun would it be to watch teams like Burnsville, Centennial, Roseau, Duluth East, Jefferson, Moorhead, and Elk River battle with those teams for the spots, and then if a team like Apple Valley pulls a few upsets and gets to state they deserve it.

[Hoops]

Hoops-your LN guys were 2-6-1 against those "not tough" sections.

With "no firepower", Wayzata beat LN 6-1.

EP beat LN twice, 4-2 and 7-2

"Grinding" Burnsville beat them 6-0 and 5-4

I don't have a team. I do know that there is one favorite..MTKA and one underdog...North....and the rest you can throw in a hat...yes everyone of the other 6. That's called a good tourney. Wayzata and EP would be thrown in the hat with the rest of them...if they only hadn't lost already.

[The51]

Hoops-your LN guys were 2-6-1 against those "not tough" sections.

With "no firepower", Wayzata beat LN 6-1.

EP beat LN twice, 4-2 and 7-2

"Grinding" Burnsville beat them 6-0 and 5-4

I don't have a team. I do know that there is one favorite..MTKA and one underdog...North....and the rest you can throw in a hat...yes everyone of the other 6. That's called a good tourney. Wayzata and EP would be thrown in the hat with the rest of them...if they only hadn't lost already.

twice this year Wayzata tied Minnetonka so they seem pretty equal to me

[Hoops]

Hoops-your LN guys were 2-6-1 against those "not tough" sections.

With "no firepower", Wayzata beat LN 6-1.

EP beat LN twice, 4-2 and 7-2

"Grinding" Burnsville beat them 6-0 and 5-4

I don't have a team. I do know that there is one favorite..MTKA and one underdog...North....and the rest you can throw in a hat...yes everyone of the other 6. That's called a good tourney. Wayzata and EP would be thrown in the hat with the rest of them...if they only hadn't lost already.

twice this year Wayzata tied Minnetonka so they seem pretty equal to me

When you lose to teams you should beat you get eliminated.

[Lakeviewing]

Lakeville and Apple Valley, great to get the State, but DO NOT represent TOP TEAMS. They play in a sub par Section that allows them to advance.

We have two Lake Conference teams being Lakeville and Apple Valley competing in the Lake Conference and being mid pack teams, but making it to the State. Bless these team as the representatives to their sections of play, this is not their fault, this is just the system the Minnesota High School League has slotted them in. Sorry, but Lakeville and Apple Valley didn't live up to a higher level of play in their conference level of play, but gets to play at the State. EP, Jefferson and Burnsville are better teams in the Lake Conference here. Having a Lakeville and Apple Valley team is a joke here and are probaby will play in the consolation play. Poor section seeding here.

Lakeviewing, this is just rediculous. So HM doesnt even have a chance? You just said the Edina is unbeatable to the Lake conference teams in section 2. So i guess Apple Valley is also so horrible for section 3. Cretin was over looked in Sec 3 in 2006 when they completely ran the table after game 1 of the state tourney. they were not ranked high and won out convincingly. Apple Vally prepared well for their game against Woodbury and played the type of game they needed to to win. how about just congratulating them on winning and punching their ticket to the X! Is a new tourney format required in your opinion to allow your team another opportunity to lose another game, but this time on TV? Get over the format and just enjoy our greatest passtime of icehockey. Im sure that there are plenty of other homers on this forum that wish their team was still playing this next week, but the fact is, they are not. IMHO, the other boys sports in the state are to watered down and diluted. The sections are separated in the state the way they are in order to give a geographic representation of Minnesota hockey. If you truely love to see the big match ups that you are talking about, go attend all the section playoff games. Each of the boys that play in any of the sections, know the format in wich they will have to travel to get to the X and be a representative of their respective sections. they put forth the best effort to get there, and that is what makes those games great. not making it to the X does not make them any less of an individual hockey player. Quit trying to live vicariously through these athletes. You will enjoy the game much more thouroughly.

[inthestands]

Lakeville and Apple Valley, great to get the State, but DO NOT represent TOP TEAMS. They play in a sub par Section that allows them to advance.

The spectrum of teams change from year to year in each section.

The great thing about this system is, anyone has an opportunity to make the big show. That is a good system.

The team playing best at tourney time goes to state.

Congrats to all the teams making it!

Take your sour grapes, and watch some hockey this week.

[RFFalcon22]

The51...we already found out who is the best out of Minnetonka, Wayzata, and Eden Prairie...it's called the section tournament.

Just because your team didn't make it to state doesn't mean the system needs to be changed!!!

[royals03]

I have an idea take all the teams that finish 2nd in their section and have a seperate tourney at the DECC. Take the champions from both tourneys and have them square off the following week back at the X.

I think the biggest complaint by people is not who makes it to state, but that they did not get to see the game where the deserving team got knocked out. Another idea hold all the AA section finals at the same location over a three day span say 2 thurs 2 fri and 4 on sat. One year it could be held in the metro with A being outstate and the following year swith it. Maybe this works not sure just spitballing. I really do not think the mass majority of people care who makes it to the tourney we just want to see great hockey and if that hockey is in the section final so be it.
I was not at the game in 1995, but I have been told by many people that the Moorehead- Elk River section final is the greatest sporting event they have ever been to. I have heard this from people that are secondary fans to hockey meaning hockey is not their favorite sport. I look forward to your responses.

[keepyourheadup]

Hey Lakeviewing.....look out for those sub par lake teams...upsets are what make this tourney great. I don't expect the Tonka / North game to be similar but North got to the x via an upset just like AV advancing to the semi's.

[Bower146]

how about you split section 6 and 2 teams and spread them out through the other metro sections because its about representing the state as a whole not the metro only.

[Goldy Gopher]

Eastside, how does two subpar Lake Conference teams make the State Tounney. Common man. Lakeville and Apple Valley, Don't get me wrong, they won in their sections. What about Burnsville, Jefferson and EP. To see Lakeville and Apple Valley, two Lake Conference team make it to the State Tournament is a joke.

Lakeviewing, this is just rediculous. So HM doesnt even have a chance? You just said the Edina is unbeatable to the Lake conference teams in section 2. So i guess Apple Valley is also so horrible for section 3. Cretin was over looked in Sec 3 in 2006 when they completely ran the table after game 1 of the state tourney. they were not ranked high and won out convincingly. Apple Vally prepared well for their game against Woodbury and played the type of game they needed to to win. how about just congratulating them on winning and punching their ticket to the X! Is a new tourney format required in your opinion to allow your team another opportunity to lose another game, but this time on TV? Get over the format and just enjoy our greatest passtime of icehockey. Im sure that there are plenty of other homers on this forum that wish their team was still playing this next week, but the fact is, they are not. IMHO, the other boys sports in the state are to watered down and diluted. The sections are separated in the state the way they are in order to give a geographic representation of Minnesota hockey. If you truely love to see the big match ups that you are talking about, go attend all the section playoff games. Each of the boys that play in any of the sections, know the format in wich they will have to travel to get to the X and be a representative of their respective sections. they put forth the best effort to get there, and that is what makes those games great. not making it to the X does not make them any less of an individual hockey player. Quit trying to live vicariously through these athletes. You will enjoy the game much more thouroughly.

To say that seeing a team at state is a joke....is a joke. What more do you want the teams from weaker sections to do? They went through their section tournaments without losing a game which is more than Burnsville, Jefferson or EP can say. The MSHSL puts schools in sections based on geography and they are generally in that section in ALL SPORTS. Section assignments are not based on hockey alone and they never will be.

[Lakeviewing]

Come on man, the current sectional play is a joke. It is either Moorhead or Roseua or East or Elk out of the north. Okay, leave these sections to compete, but in the metro, this needs to be re organized. The Minnesota State Hockey Tournament needs to re-configure Section playoffs base upon metro rankings. One A needs to have out metro teams competing and not Metro private schools. Teams like Breck, Blake, Grace and St. Thomas need to compete at the AA level. And at the AA level, teams like Apple Valley and Lakeville North needs to play through some metro teams. Bottom line, the State High School tournament is NOT a true representative of the top teams.

Hey Lakeviewing.....look out for those sub par lake teams...upsets are what make this tourney great. I don't expect the Tonka / North game to be similar but North got to the x via an upset just like AV advancing to the semi's.

[BigWorm]

Come on man, the current sectional play is a joke. It is either Moorhead or Roseua or East or Elk out of the north. Okay, leave these sections to compete, but in the metro, this needs to be re organized. The Minnesota State Hockey Tournament needs to re-configure Section playoffs base upon metro rankings. One A needs to have out metro teams competing and not Metro private schools. Teams like Breck, Blake, Grace and St. Thomas need to compete at the AA level. And at the AA level, teams like Apple Valley and Lakeville North needs to play through some metro teams. Bottom line, the State High School tournament is NOT a true representative of the top teams.

Hey Lakeviewing.....look out for those sub par lake teams...upsets are what make this tourney great. I don't expect the Tonka / North game to be similar but North got to the x via an upset just like AV advancing to the semi's.

The Moorhead and Roseau statement is true but the Elk River one is not. In 2006 it was Rapids, 2007: Rapids again, 2008: Cloquet, 2009: East, 2010: East. And personally I like that it is NOT a true representative of the top teams, then you get smaller communities involved, and also have chances for big upsets. This way every team in the state has somewhat of a chance to make it to state.