Section 4AA 2009-2010 Outlook & Projections

[OntheEdge]

Ok so its a couple of players that are taking it to a different level and not a coach's strategy. Are these girls an exception or a symptom of things to come? Maybe this should be its own topic but I'll change my question slightly as this whole topic makes me wonder about the direction of girls hockey. I think everyone would agree that the girls game has become faster and more physical over the last 4-5 years. What is the next step? Will girls become more physically and verbally combative? Is the game changing and if it is what direction do people see girls hockey heading?

[hockeyheaven]

Bensonmum, if I haven’t posted it before (which I believe I did at one time…kills me) I will this time. Your take on this matter is spot on. The coach was never the right fit for this team. He is way to close to the situation given his history with these players…and with his daughter on the team…incredibly personal for him… and he has struggled to properly and fairly administer her status. For peat sake he couldn’t pick captains these past two years…I think that speaks volumes. Furthermore, but more importantly he has never demonstrated that he can draw the hard line and take control of the situation. Yes he’s a great guy and appears to care a great deal for the team…however, he has in my opinion, failed this program…failed these kids and has let this situation evolve into a joke. The others are right…this team is plagued by really only two individuals who have no respect for the game of hockey, their teammates or more significantly themselves. But these are still just children and it’s the adults in the equation who are ultimately to blame. The coach for sure and yes the most definitely… the parents.

Oh… and before anyone suggest we contact the AD…been there, done that. He’s about as interested in correcting this situation as say… Roseville is…or Stillwater… Hill Murray… NSP….

[hockey_rocker]

Bensonmum, if I haven’t posted it before (which I believe I did at one time…kills me) I will this time. Your take on this matter is spot on. The coach was never the right fit for this team. He is way to close to the situation given his history with these players…and with his daughter on the team…incredibly personal for him… and he has struggled to properly and fairly administer her status. For peat sake he couldn’t pick captains these past two years…I think that speaks volumes. Furthermore, but more importantly he has never demonstrated that he can draw the hard line and take control of the situation. Yes he’s a great guy and appears to care a great deal for the team…however, he has in my opinion, failed this program…failed these kids and has let this situation evolve into a joke. The others are right…this team is plagued by really only two individuals who have no respect for the game of hockey, their teammates or more significantly themselves. But these are still just children and it’s the adults in the equation who are ultimately to blame. The coach for sure and yes the most definitely… the parents.

Oh… and before anyone suggest we contact the AD…been there, done that. He’s about as interested in correcting this situation as say… Roseville is…or Stillwater… Hill Murray… NSP….

hockeyhell it's parents like you that are the problem. NOT THE COACH! Why don't you and the rest of WBL negative complaining whiners do something positive instead of just ripping every little thing.
if I was a coach applting for this position and knew you were a part of this team I would avoid it like the plague or cut cut your kid cuz I wouldn't want to listen to you. The does not need this bull, they are and first place and it's people like you that make it really hard to succeed be cause all you do is plant the cancer. Let the coach do his job and shut your useless negative yap.

[hockey_rocker]

Bensonmum, if I haven’t posted it before (which I believe I did at one time…kills me) I will this time. Your take on this matter is spot on. The coach was never the right fit for this team. He is way to close to the situation given his history with these players…and with his daughter on the team…incredibly personal for him… and he has struggled to properly and fairly administer her status. For peat sake he couldn’t pick captains these past two years…I think that speaks volumes. Furthermore, but more importantly he has never demonstrated that he can draw the hard line and take control of the situation. Yes he’s a great guy and appears to care a great deal for the team…however, he has in my opinion, failed this program…failed these kids and has let this situation evolve into a joke. The others are right…this team is plagued by really only two individuals who have no respect for the game of hockey, their teammates or more significantly themselves. But these are still just children and it’s the adults in the equation who are ultimately to blame. The coach for sure and yes the most definitely… the parents.

Oh… and before anyone suggest we contact the AD…been there, done that. He’s about as interested in correcting this situation as say… Roseville is…or Stillwater… Hill Murray… NSP….

hockeyhell it's parents like you that are the problem. NOT THE COACH! Why don't you and the rest of WBL negative complaining whiners do something positive instead of just ripping every little thing.
if I was a coach applting for this position and knew you were a part of this team I would avoid it like the plague or cut cut your kid cuz I wouldn't want to listen to you. The does not need this bull, they are and first place and it's people like you that make it really hard to succeed be cause all you do is plant the cancer. Let the coach do his job and shut your useless negative yap.

hockeyhell it's parents like you that are the problem. NOT THE COACH! Why don't you and the rest of WBL negative complaining whiners do something positive instead of just ripping every little thing.
If I was a coach applying for this position and knew you were a part of this team I would avoid it like the plague or cut your kid cuz I wouldn't want to listen to you. The team does not need this bull, they are in first place and it's people like you that make it really hard to succeed because all you do is plant the cancer. Let the coach do his job and shut your useless negative yap.

[hockeyfan21]

Last year a Stillwater second line girl was late to practice the day before a game and was forced to play the entire game on J.V. (in other words sit out the varsity game).

There are things I disagree with Roseville and Stillwater about at times, but there is no way their players would pull what the two from WBL have. If they did, they wouldn't be playing.

Plenty of blame for the parents of the two worst girls on WBL; but it's the coaches job to keep control. If they pull this even once, they need to be disciplined. Coach has no control, pretty obvious.

They are in first place because of the talent pool they draw from. Not from coaching. Hard to be successful because you are in the box all the time, not because of parents. Every coach has to listen to parents complain about a million things, but good coaches put the team and the program in front of the individual and are willing to put their foot down.

Keep on blaming the parents and when WBL racks up 16 minutes in stupid penalties in the section semi's and gets bumped out again, ask yourself whether the coach drawing a line in early January (or from the start) might have been a better strategy.

Let the coach do his job and shut your useless negative yap.

If he was doing his job you wouldn't have people from other teams commenting on them.

[hockeyheaven]

Bensonmum, if I haven’t posted it before (which I believe I did at one time…kills me) I will this time. Your take on this matter is spot on. The coach was never the right fit for this team. He is way to close to the situation given his history with these players…and with his daughter on the team…incredibly personal for him… and he has struggled to properly and fairly administer her status. For peat sake he couldn’t pick captains these past two years…I think that speaks volumes. Furthermore, but more importantly he has never demonstrated that he can draw the hard line and take control of the situation. Yes he’s a great guy and appears to care a great deal for the team…however, he has in my opinion, failed this program…failed these kids and has let this situation evolve into a joke. The others are right…this team is plagued by really only two individuals who have no respect for the game of hockey, their teammates or more significantly themselves. But these are still just children and it’s the adults in the equation who are ultimately to blame. The coach for sure and yes the most definitely… the parents.

Oh… and before anyone suggest we contact the AD…been there, done that. He’s about as interested in correcting this situation as say… Roseville is…or Stillwater… Hill Murray… NSP….

hockeyhell it's parents like you that are the problem. NOT THE COACH! Why don't you and the rest of WBL negative complaining whiners do something positive instead of just ripping every little thing.
if I was a coach applting for this position and knew you were a part of this team I would avoid it like the plague or cut cut your kid cuz I wouldn't want to listen to you. The does not need this bull, they are and first place and it's people like you that make it really hard to succeed be cause all you do is plant the cancer. Let the coach do his job and shut your useless negative yap.

Hockey hell...pretty close.

Hockeyrocker, it’s more then apparent that you are fond of the coach…that’s nice… I respect that... and why wouldn’t you, he is a good person and judging by your reaction a good friend. However, you no longer have a daughter on the team so excuse me if I look at your take on this matter for what it is…someone with no personal or emotional stake. It’s easy for you… for us who do have an investment in this have been more then patient… more then tolerant… and far too silent. What you fail to accept is that appropriate attempts for a reasonable resolution have been unsuccessful, time and time again. This coaching staff is now almost 50 games into the regime and is no closer to a solution…in fact the situation just keeps getting worse. When players have to leave the locker room due to in-fighting (actual fighting)… or have to defend themselves from accusations of being a cheap player. Well I’m sorry that becomes extremely personal. Is posting on this forum an appropriate outlet for expressing ones concerns or defending ones honor…probably not...in fact I would agree with you that it is useless... but it’s all we have now. If name calling and characterization makes you feel better…well wonderful for you… but for the record my daughter also plays on two other WBL sports teams and we have had nothing but respect and satisfaction with the coaching staff of those programs…and never felt the need to intervene like this. But I doubt that matters to you not.

[longshot]

If recruiting was legal;o) these WBL issues would make for a good HM recruiting poster.

[Bensonmum]

So it looks like this?:
1. Roseville
2. HM
3-4. Stillwater/WBL -- Depending on winner Friday
5. NSP
6. CDH
7. Blades -- Beat Tartan and Novas (twice)
8. Tartan
9. Novas

[joehockey]

Not exactly when seeding meeting is but someone said this week prior to Roseville vs WBL and Roseville vs Stillwater games (why I don't know seems like venue is set and the seeding could be next Sunday)

Section 4AA Standings
QRF/Krach Rank Team (QRF) Section Overall For Agst Streak
W L T W L T AVG AVG
No. 3/2 Roseville (107. 3-1-0 / 19-2-1 GF 4.9 GA 1.4
No. 6/6 Hill-Murray (98.6) 5-1-0 / 17-5-0 4.3 1.8
No. 14/9 White Bear Lake (84.5) 4-2-0 / 16 4 3 3.8 1.7
No. 5/11 Stillwater Area (99.9) 3-4-0 / 15-6-2 4.2 2.0
No. 22/34 North St. Paul (74.1) 2-3-0 / 11-11-1 3.3 2.7
No. 40/37 Cretin-Derham Hall (64.1) 2-5-0 / 8-11-3 3.2 3.5
No. 53/54 Tartan (51.3) 1-4-0 8-14-1 2.1 2.7
No. 59/61 Minneapolis (41.1) 0-2-0 7-13-2 3.1 3.8
No. 63/60 St. Paul Blades (36.3) 3-1-0 7-14-0 2.6 5.6

So it would appear maybe:

#1 Roseville vs. #8 MLPS or #9 SSP Blades Winner
#2 Hill Murray vs #7 Tartan
#3 White Bear vs.Cretin Derham Hall
#4 Stillwater vs. #5 NSP

[capitalist]

Not sure where these 4AA standings come from, but the Blades beat the Novas twice. Do coaches use these standings when seeding the teams? The Blades also beat Tartan head-to-head, so if they get seeded behind those two and have to have a play in game again this year they are getting hosed.

[joehockey]

Not sure where these 4AA standings come from, but the Blades beat the Novas twice. Do coaches use these standings when seeding the teams? The Blades also beat Tartan head-to-head, so if they get seeded behind those two and have to have a play in game again this year they are getting hosed.

All of this is for discussion - the coaches will do the seeds - your points are good questions and there will likely be changes of the seedings.

http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classst ... 10&class=3

[brookyone]

Not sure where these 4AA standings come from, but the Blades beat the Novas twice. Do coaches use these standings when seeding the teams? The Blades also beat Tartan head-to-head, so if they get seeded behind those two and have to have a play in game again this year they are getting hosed.

All of this is for discussion - the coaches will do the seeds - your points are good questions and there will likely be changes of the seedings.

http://www.minnesota-scores.net/classst ... 10&class=3

Section standings...not really an equitable approach to seeding IMO due to sizable difference among teams games played against opponents within the section. Some have as many as 7 games v section opponents...others as few as 2.

[Bensonmum]

Wednesday Feb. 3:
HM at SSP
Stillwater at Moundsview
WBL at Roseville
Should be more fun than a barrel o' monkeys.

[joehockey]

Section 4AA Seedings Announced
1. Roseville
2. Hill Murray
3. White Bear Lake
4. Stillwater5. North
6. Cretin-Derham Hall
7. Tartan
8. St Paul Blades
9. Minneapolis Nova's

Play- in game - Monday Feb. 8, 7:30 @ Stillwater- 8versus 9 with the winner to advance to the quarter-final round

Quarter final round is as follows:
3 versus 6 @ StillwaterArena Wednesday Feb. 10, 2010...5:30 PM
2 versus 7@ Stilwater Arena Wednesday Feb. 10, 2010...7:30 PM
4 versus 5@ Roseville Arena Friday Feb. 12, 2010...6:00 PM
1 versus8-9 winner @ Roseville Arena Friday Feb. 12, 2010...8:00 PM

Semi-finals and finals are set at Aldrich.
Tues, Feb 16th
Semi-Final 1 - 6:00 PM
Semi-Final 2 - 8:00 PM

Championship Game - Fri, Feb 19th 8:00 PM

The pairings on the MSHSL web page Thursday February 4, 2010.

[Sparlimb]

Section 4AA Seedings Announced
1. Roseville
2. Hill Murray
3. White Bear Lake
4. Stillwater5. North
6. Cretin-Derham Hall
7. Tartan
8. St Paul Blades
9. Minneapolis Nova's

Play- in game - Monday Feb. 8, 7:30 @ Stillwater- 8versus 9 with the winner to advance to the quarter-final round

Quarter final round is as follows:
3 versus 6 @ StillwaterArena Wednesday Feb. 10, 2010...5:30 PM
2 versus 7@ Stilwater Arena Wednesday Feb. 10, 2010...7:30 PM
4 versus 5@ Roseville Arena Friday Feb. 12, 2010...6:00 PM
1 versus8-9 winner @ Roseville Arena Friday Feb. 12, 2010...8:00 PM

Semi-finals and finals are set at Aldrich.
Tues, Feb 16th
Semi-Final 1 - 6:00 PM
Semi-Final 2 - 8:00 PM

Championship Game - Fri, Feb 19th 8:00 PM

The pairings on the MSHSL web page Thursday February 4, 2010.

Nice. I think Roseville is going to be the prohibitive favorite, but I'd sure like to see H-M play better in sections for once. At least it seems unlikely they'll get bounced by Stillwater. I'd love to go see a HM v Roseville final, but Irondale would play their section final the same night. Good luck to all teams. I wouldn't be surprised if the state champion again comes from 4AA.

[Melvin44]

Spar. I love you. Can you please say something anything nice about my Bears. they've got everything figured out. I promise to give you a big hug.

Seriously have faith in my bears. I'm getting a strong feeling.

[capitalist]

I thought the Bears conducted themselves very well in the Roseville game. After all the arena talk I expected a circus with biting, hair pulling, the whole deal. They were still in the box plenty but nothing really stupid or retaliatory or melodramatic. I have to say I was a little disappointed.

That being said, they are going to take penalties and they will have a difficult time handling the Roseville or HM power plays, both of which are outstanding.

[Sparlimb]

Spar. I love you. Can you please say something anything nice about my Bears. they've got everything figured out. I promise to give you a big hug.

Seriously have faith in my bears. I'm getting a strong feeling.

Melvin...

I am in no way dissing the Bears. They certainly can beat HM. I actually went to the WBL v HM girls game at Aldrich this year, which as I recall was pretty close. Other than the Christmas tourney, that was all the HM games (well girls) I made it to. I think any of the top 4 would be a great representative at state. And don't count out North St. Paul which topped Hill once this year. They could give Stillwater a game...

[Melvin44]

Spar. I love you. Can you please say something anything nice about my Bears. they've got everything figured out. I promise to give you a big hug.

Seriously have faith in my bears. I'm getting a strong feeling.

Melvin...

I am in no way dissing the Bears. They certainly can beat HM. I actually went to the WBL v HM girls game at Aldrich this year, which as I recall was pretty close. Other than the Christmas tourney, that was all the HM games (well girls) I made it to. I think any of the top 4 would be a great representative at state. And don't count out North St. Paul which topped Hill once this year. They could give Stillwater a game...

No problem. I was having some fun.

[longshot]

Stillwater may win their first game but after that, stick a fork in them they're done...Its apparent Scheid has no control over this team, use the term "team" loosly should say group of individuals. A little humility may be in order.

[hockeywild7]

I would not write them off yet, and I doubt Roseville will either. Both coaching staffs know the history of when these two teams play each other, apparently you don't. This section is wide open. Stillwater was tied with them last night until the last minute when Roseville got a pp goal. Stillwater was without 2 of its top forwards in King and Salmen. Both should be back for the start of sections so it could provide them with a little boost. Its obvious you have an axe to grind with Stillwaters coach, fortunately you have not a clue as to what he and their team are all about. His players love his passion for them and the game of hockey. You also predicted Stillwater would be embarrassed on TV by Roseville in their first meeting and we all know how that prediction went. I doubt Roseville or Stillwater will underestimate anyone in this section with White bear and Hill-murray making a strong bid to win it also.

[longshot]

I guess if stating the truth is an axe to grind so be it. You dont know what I know about the program, but its more than you thnk. Your kids a senior and you dont have to drink the kool aid after this year. One thing you are correct about though is that I was definitely wrong about the outcome of the first meeting with Roseville. Other things I was also wrong about was the games with MV, Hastings, CDH, and 2 games with WBL. I obviosly can admit when Im wrong Ive just listed 6 of those times. Since you apparently have knowledge of how much I know, you obvioulsy must have been right the 6 times I was wrong?

[hockeywild7]

I do not have a senior daughter on the team and I have no idea if you have a daughter who plays there. If you are referring to how many seniors they graduate and how they will be next year who knows. I do know they have some great talent returning and some young players coming up in the youth program that will help in future years.

[joehockey]

Post Crash.....

So two good games on Wednesday Night

WB 3 CDH 2 OTSecond: W-Ness (Bruestle, Green), 3:36. Third: C-Kinsel (Fischer), 3:57, pp; C-Flood, 6:24; W-Johnson (Ness, Lowell), 13:17, pp. Overtime: W-Bruestle (Hanson, Green), 2:53. Saves: C-Bangle 7-7-8-1--23; W-Abrahamson 7-5-9-0--21

HM 11 Tartan 2
First: H-Pendelton (M. Doyle), 2:53, pp; H-M. Doyle (H. Brandt, Morrison), 3:12; H-M. Doyle (M. Brandt), 4:28; H-H. Brandt (M. Doyle), 16:49. Second: H-M. Brandt (H. Brandt, Magill), 3:16; H-McDowell (Cusick), 11:17; T-Frascone, 12:35; T-Richards, 14:26, sh; H-M. Doyle, 16:59, sh. Third: H-H. Brandt (M. Doyle, M. Brandt), 5:59; H-Magill, 6:42; H-Lund (Heller, Magill), 9:11; H-McDowell (Long), 11:50. Saves: T-Straka 12-8-8--28; H-McKeever 2-4-6--12

Tonight
Roseville vs St Paul Blades
Stillwater vs NSP

[charlie-oh]

WBL will have tough time gonig any further. H-M has too mcuh firepower!