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greybeard58
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Post by greybeard58 »

Rather than look at the win loss stats, how about how many players stay and how is the recruitment of new players.
Is the association well organized?
Have the players not only developed in skills but also improved self confidence in themselves?
How many players stay involved long after the association level, coaching refereeing and keep playing in the adult leagues or just keep rink ratting?
Has the association developed a strong tradition not only with in themselves but also a strong tradition with the community?
Have the players learned to enjoy and love this sport or just play it?

The strong associations keep on going and the weak ones will always struggle until they finally see the bigger picture, that this is not about me or my child, this is about the team, association and community.
sinbin
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Post by sinbin »

Well stated, greybeard. Tough to quantify, obviously, but big picture, that's what it's all about.
pioneer
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District 3

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Armstrong

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         13         40.75       38.30     -2.45
B1        15         32.87       29.02     -3.84
B2        13         25.96       24.48     -1.48
C         15         18.00       16.45     -1.55
Overall   56                               -2.41

Grade D
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Hopkins

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         15         39.62       41.88     +2.26
B1        15         29.49       31.36     +1.87
B2        15         19.36       21.41     +2.04
Overall   45                               +2.07

Grade: A-
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Minneapolis Park

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         14         44.54       42.87     -1.67
B1        15         37.65       33.93     -3.72
B2 Black  15         30.91       30.38     -0.53
B2 Purple 15         32.11       27.78     -4.33
C Black   15         20.46       22.89     +2.43
C Orange  16         21.79       18.08     -3.71
C Purple  16         21.65       20.20     -1.45
Overall   106                              -1.91

Grade: D
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North Metro

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         15         37.48       38.75     +1.26
B2        18         23.07       25.79     +2.73
Overall   33                               +2.14

Grade: A-
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Orono

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         13         40.33       42.77     +2.44
B1        13         31.83       31.79     -0.04
B2        13         25.73       26.61     +0.88
C         13         17.24       15.53     -1.71
Overall   52                               +0.94

Grade: B-
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Osseo Maple Grove

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          15         45.11       43.31     -1.81
B1 Crimson 15         34.52       35.82     +1.30
B1 Gold    15         34.50       36.06     +1.56
B1 Orange  15         34.48       33.76     -0.72
B2 Black   15         24.50       25.77     +1.27
B2 White   15         24.48       26.04     +1.56
B2 Maroon  15         24.46       24.86     +0.40
C          15         13.87       16.25     +2.38
Overall   120                               +0.45

Grade: C+
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Wayzata  

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         15         45.69       46.98     +1.29
B1 Blue   15         37.13       36.31     -0.83
B1 Gold   15         37.11       36.37     -0.74
B1 Navy   15         32.26       33.11     +0.85
B2 Royal  15         25.01       25.38     +0.37
B2 Steel  15         25.00       25.23     +0.24
B2 White  15         24.98       25.96     +0.98
B2 Yellow 15         24.96       26.05     +1.09
C         15         13.30       14.08     +0.78
Overall  135                               +0.38

Grade: B-
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toomanystitches
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Post by toomanystitches »

You ask why does Wayzata have more teams than other comparable associations? Triple G is the answer…Greg G. Gibson, president of the Wayzata Youth Hockey Association. GGG is not a hockey guy…he’s an advocate for kids. His philosophy is, “if a kid wants to play hockey, we’ll put them on a team.” A great example of this was seen this fall when 80 kids had registered to play Junior Gold Hockey before the High School cuts. GGG was so excited to have these kids and put the word out to ice schedulers, coaches committee, various volunteer groups to find teams for everyone. Wayzata now sports 1 JGA, 3 JGB, and 2 U16 teams and everyone who tried out was put on a team.

I asked GGG for his definition of success as a hockey association. He laughed and said, “Did the kids have fun?”
pioneer
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District 4

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Albert Lea

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          36.22      33.93    -2.29
B2           13          21.21      20.63    -0.58
Overall      28                              -1.60

Grade: D
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Austin

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.51      30.12    -5.39
B2           12          21.20      19.75    -1.45
Overall      25                              -3.68

Grade: F
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Fairmont

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           15          29.49      24.55    -4.94
Overall      15                              -4.94

Grade: F
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Faribault

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          37.85      37.49    -0.36
B2           11          27.66      26.42    -1.24
C            12          18.14      17.75    -0.39
Overall      35                              -0.67

Grade: C
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Luverne      

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A             9          29.24      34.87    +5.63
B2           10          20.27      22.58    +2.31
Overall      19                              +4.47

Grade: A+
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Mankato

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          38.91      38.97    +0.06
B2           14          29.62      31.35    +1.74
C            14          19.44      20.43    +0.99
Overall      41                              +0.92

Grade: B
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Marshall 

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            10          32.43      32.88    +0.44
B2           10          19.92      19.90    -0.02
Overall      20                              +0.23

Grade: C+
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New Prague

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          39.37      40.79    +1.42
B1           12          30.78      30.77    -0.01
B2           11          23.99      27.31    +3.32
C            10          15.21      17.46    +2.25
Overall      45                              +1.56

Grade: B+
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New Ulm   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          36.61      32.26    -4.35
B2 Purple    10          21.60      22.04    +0.44
B2 White     10          21.43      22.96    +1.53
Overall      31                              -0.71

Grade: D+
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Owatonna

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          36.09      35.80    -0.29
B2           14          22.41      23.19    +0.79
Overall      27                              +0.21

Grade: C+
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Redwood Falls

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      26.17    -2.61
Overall      13                              -2.61

Grade: D-
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Sleepy Eye   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      28.50    -0.28
Overall      13                              -0.28

Grade: C+
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St. Peter Le Sueur

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          34.64      37.57    +2.93
B2           12          21.82      19.34    -2.48
Overall      23                              +1.07

Grade: C+
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Waseca            

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.19      29.10    -6.09
B2           11          20.38      14.23    -6.14
Overall      24                              -6.12

Grade: F 
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Windom

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      23.98    -4.80
Overall      13                              -4.80

Grade: F
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Worthington

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           14          29.32      27.88    -1.43
Overall      14                              -1.43

Grade: D+
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goldy313
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Post by goldy313 »

I don't think youcan use high school enrollments to compare youth programs i.e. Eden Prairie and Wayzata, you'd have to compare the 6th and 7th grade enrollments. Some schools grow, some stay the same, and some lose. From what I understand EP is no longer growing which is part of the reason they won't build another high school, the Strib did a series of articles on that this fall.

I do agree whole heartedly with greybeard that having an active board that knows youth sports are for all kids is a far better way to run any youth sports organization than one who really only looks out for the top kids or, worse, board members kids. The unfortunate reality is with the passing of park boards running rec programs the former (like Wayzata) is far better and far less in numbers than the latter (Rochester).

I like how, at least from the outside, Luverne and a lot of the D4 teams run their program; they could easily make 1 B2 team and probably be very good but instead they have two teams with 10 kids on each and the kids get more ice time. The drawback would be an injury could put you over the edge as far as numbers go but again from the outside it looks like they're trying to get as many kids a chance to play as possible. I see some metro districts have 15-16 on a team and have 5-6 teams, make more teams with 12-13 kids.
northwoods oldtimer
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Post by northwoods oldtimer »

goldy313 wrote: From what I understand EP is no longer growing
No question with the muslim in the white house, growth is all inner city.

I see some metro districts have 15-16 on a team and have 5-6 teams, make more teams with 12-13 kids.


Focused on winning trophies

Goldy you make too much sense, care to run for public office? I do like the mighty fine Big Red One jpeg you got on another 'bored'!!
pebbles
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Post by pebbles »

goldy313 wrote:I don't think youcan use high school enrollments to compare youth programs i.e. Eden Prairie and Wayzata, you'd have to compare the 6th and 7th grade enrollments. Some schools grow, some stay the same, and some lose. From what I understand EP is no longer growing which is part of the reason they won't build another high school, the Strib did a series of articles on that this fall.
Wayzata's enrollment has also been stagnant for at least 8-9 years. The poster who mentioned Greg Gibson probably has it right - the leader who looks out for all the kids, no matter their level, is the one who is best able to grow the organization, regardless of the number of kids at each age group.
pioneer
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District 5

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Buffalo      

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.03		38.85    -0.18
B2           15          28.55		27.39    -1.17
C            11          17.11      19.10    +1.91
Overall      40                              -0.06

Grade: C -
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Crow River

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          39.61      39.60    +0.01
B2 Black     11          23.72      28.08    +4.36
B2 Orange    11          23.60      27.83    +4.23
B2 White     11          23.36      26.67    +3.31
Overall      46                              +3.11

Grade: A
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Hutchinson

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.51      38.82    +3.31
B2           12          21.20      24.14    +2.94
Overall      25                              +3.17

Grade: A+
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Litchfield Dassel Cokato

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          33.62      35.20    +1.59
B2            9          17.22      20.82    +3.60
Overall      20                              +2.65

Grade: A
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Monticello Annandale Maple Lake

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          37.01      34.51    -2.50
B2           16          22.56      24.18    +1.62
Overall      31                              +0.14

Grade: C-
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Mound Westonka

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          38.59      37.89    -0.70
B2           13          28.78      37.10    -1.68
C            13          18.97      17.60    -1.37
Overall      39                              -1.25

Grade: D+
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River Lakes

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            16          36.98      34.35    -2.63
B2           16          22.31      22.33    +0.02
Overall      32                              -1.45

Grade: D 
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Sartell

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.19      40.56    +1.37
B2           14          27.84      27.87    -1.18
C            13          19.93      19.93    +1.27
Overall      26                              +0.37

Grade: C+
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St. Michael Albertville

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          39.76      41.47    +1.71
B2           15          29.76      30.49    +0.72
C            16          19.72      20.35    +0.63
Overall      46                              +1.12

Grade: B
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Willmar 

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          28.78      31.01    +2.23
Overall      13                              +2.23

Grade: A-
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InigoMontoya
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Post by InigoMontoya »

So far the best associations are Kennedy, Luvurne, and Hutchinson.
The average association has about 42 kids that make about 3 teams.
The 3 best association average 23 kids on 2 teams.
In the best associations, why are kids staying away in droves?
InigoMontoya
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Post by InigoMontoya »

Alright, you got me. You have done two metro districts, how about D16?
I'd like to see that, too. Based on high school enrollment a very loose ratio calculation of boys in hockey to boys in school:
Kennedy 1:14
Hutchinson 1:10
Luverne: 1:4
EGF 1:3
If Kennedy had as much recruitment and retention success as EGF they'd have 135 peewees, Hutchinson would have 80. If you include number of kids that
should be in the program, the grades you hand out would be drastically different.
BluntInstrument
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Post by BluntInstrument »

InigoMontoya wrote:So far the best associations are Kennedy, Luvurne, and Hutchinson.
The average association has about 42 kids that make about 3 teams.
The 3 best association average 23 kids on 2 teams.
In the best associations, why are kids staying away in droves?
Perhaps the other way around ... only the more dedicated, motivated, and talented kids stay in the smaller associations so they will have more success. Larger associations may be more inclusive/ provide an opportunity for all skill and dedication levels ? does that mean there is a flaw or subjective part that is not quantifiable ... better associations by this measure are not factoring in providing a place all levels of skaters ?

just a thought
stupidiswhatstupiddoes
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A vs B1

Post by stupidiswhatstupiddoes »

The comment made regarding the disparity between Rosevilles A team vs their B1 team was interesting - I assume their are a lot of controllable factors that led to this disparity, such as, coaching ability, picking the wrong kids for the A team and some uncontrollable factors such as not a big 7th grade class or selecting the A team to play in the wrong tournaments.

I looked for the biggest difference between the A stats and B1 statistics (if there was more than one B1 team I combined the stats and divided by the number of teams) and out of the large associations it was interesting:

Roseville as the negative benchmark came in at -3.34

Of the so-called "Big 4" this is the difference:
OMG was a -2.52
Wayzata was the best with a +1.05
Edina was +.44
EP was +.72

I think the Edina difference of only +.44 is a testament that their A and B1 teams are dominant at both levels so you are not going to see much of difference, but, they do only have two B1 teams. If you had them with 3 B1 teams the spread would be higher and give a better reflection on how well their A team is developed.

The OMG is weird - they are big association with 3 B1 teams so their B1 teams should not be overly dominant. Their A team is highly ranked - data may be flawed.

EP and Wayzata do a really good job with their A teams. I would say the difference is to be expected.

Of the Second Tier Associations (I say Second Tier only because of size) the following jump out:

Burnsville: a very nice +1.78
Prior Lake: +1.44
Hopkins: +.39
Orono: +2.4 - doing something right at the A Level
Chaska: -.77
Eastview: +2.19
Prior Lake: +1.44
observer
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Post by observer »

Interesting idea but it's not working for me. I do appreciate the time you took to attempt to provide some analysis. To many variables to yield anything worthwhile. Assocatiations swing every year based on recruiting bubbles and, unfortunately, a lot is dependent on the quality of the dads at Mite and Squirt. I see the biggest factors as recruiting, quality of volunteers and quality of dad coaches at mite and squirt. Remember, growing mite numbers mean more and better volunteers as well. When assocations shrivel it's usually because they took their eye off recruiting, the volunteers move to high school or wear out. How about a list of 10 things to do to improve your association instead. Even if the data was good who cares. Everyone knows which ones are doing well and which ones need to work on improvement.
Wildcathcky
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Re: A vs B1

Post by Wildcathcky »

stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:The comment made regarding the disparity between Rosevilles A team vs their B1 team was interesting - I assume their are a lot of controllable factors that led to this disparity, such as, coaching ability, picking the wrong kids for the A team and some uncontrollable factors such as not a big 7th grade class or selecting the A team to play in the wrong tournaments.
Perhaps this is simply a year that Roseville had enough depth at peewee to field two B1 teams. Since they only fielded one, it ends up being a really strong team.
shootyoureyeout
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Re: A vs B1

Post by shootyoureyeout »

Wildcathcky wrote:
stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:The comment made regarding the disparity between Rosevilles A team vs their B1 team was interesting - I assume their are a lot of controllable factors that led to this disparity, such as, coaching ability, picking the wrong kids for the A team and some uncontrollable factors such as not a big 7th grade class or selecting the A team to play in the wrong tournaments.
Perhaps this is simply a year that Roseville had enough depth at peewee to field two B1 teams. Since they only fielded one, it ends up being a really strong team.
Probably true - with 87 kids you could make an argument that Roseville should field two B1 teams. EP has roughly the same number of kids and they have two B1 teams and they are competitive.

MPLS Park has 106 kids and only 1 B1 so that doesn't make sense other than they may be excellent judges of their talent pool and numbers alone would not justify increasing the amount of kids playing B1.

Edina, with 170+ kids only having two B1 teams kind of tells you that they really want to win at the B1 level. Maple Grove has 50 less kids and they have 3 B1 teams. Wayzata has 35 less kids and they have 3 B1 teams but I was told that they have two Upper B1's and one lower B1 - I thought they were balanced but guess not).

Wayzata, Edina and OMG should have two PeeWee A teams based upon their numbers and their talent pool.
hockey74

Re: A vs B1

Post by hockey74 »

shootyoureyeout wrote:
Wildcathcky wrote:
stupidiswhatstupiddoes wrote:The comment made regarding the disparity between Rosevilles A team vs their B1 team was interesting - I assume their are a lot of controllable factors that led to this disparity, such as, coaching ability, picking the wrong kids for the A team and some uncontrollable factors such as not a big 7th grade class or selecting the A team to play in the wrong tournaments.
Perhaps this is simply a year that Roseville had enough depth at peewee to field two B1 teams. Since they only fielded one, it ends up being a really strong team.
Probably true - with 87 kids you could make an argument that Roseville should field two B1 teams. EP has roughly the same number of kids and they have two B1 teams and they are competitive.

MPLS Park has 106 kids and only 1 B1 so that doesn't make sense other than they may be excellent judges of their talent pool and numbers alone would not justify increasing the amount of kids playing B1.

Edina, with 170+ kids only having two B1 teams kind of tells you that they really want to win at the B1 level. Maple Grove has 50 less kids and they have 3 B1 teams. Wayzata has 35 less kids and they have 3 B1 teams but I was told that they have two Upper B1's and one lower B1 - I thought they were balanced but guess not).

Wayzata, Edina and OMG should have two PeeWee A teams based upon their numbers and their talent pool.
Don't forget about Lakeville??? They have one association and basically two of every level team.
Shoot Higher
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Re: District 4

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pioneer wrote:

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Albert Lea

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          36.22      33.93    -2.29
B2           13          21.21      20.63    -0.58
Overall      28                              -1.60

Grade: D
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Austin

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.51      30.12    -5.39
B2           12          21.20      19.75    -1.45
Overall      25                              -3.68

Grade: F
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Fairmont

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           15          29.49      24.55    -4.94
Overall      15                              -4.94

Grade: F
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Faribault

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          37.85      37.49    -0.36
B2           11          27.66      26.42    -1.24
C            12          18.14      17.75    -0.39
Overall      35                              -0.67

Grade: C
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Luverne      

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A             9          29.24      34.87    +5.63
B2           10          20.27      22.58    +2.31
Overall      19                              +4.47

Grade: A+
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Mankato

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          38.91      38.97    +0.06
B2           14          29.62      31.35    +1.74
C            14          19.44      20.43    +0.99
Overall      41                              +0.92

Grade: B
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Marshall 

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            10          32.43      32.88    +0.44
B2           10          19.92      19.90    -0.02
Overall      20                              +0.23

Grade: C+
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New Prague

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          39.37      40.79    +1.42
B1           12          30.78      30.77    -0.01
B2           11          23.99      27.31    +3.32
C            10          15.21      17.46    +2.25
Overall      45                              +1.56

Grade: B+
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New Ulm   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          36.61      32.26    -4.35
B2 Purple    10          21.60      22.04    +0.44
B2 White     10          21.43      22.96    +1.53
Overall      31                              -0.71

Grade: D+
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Owatonna

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          36.09      35.80    -0.29
B2           14          22.41      23.19    +0.79
Overall      27                              +0.21

Grade: C+
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Redwood Falls

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      26.17    -2.61
Overall      13                              -2.61

Grade: D-
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Sleepy Eye   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      28.50    -0.28
Overall      13                              -0.28

Grade: C+
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St. Peter Le Sueur

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          34.64      37.57    +2.93
B2           12          21.82      19.34    -2.48
Overall      23                              +1.07

Grade: C+
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Waseca            

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.19      29.10    -6.09
B2           11          20.38      14.23    -6.14
Overall      24                              -6.12

Grade: F 
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Windom

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.78      23.98    -4.80
Overall      13                              -4.80

Grade: F
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Worthington

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           14          29.32      27.88    -1.43
Overall      14                              -1.43

Grade: D+
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Where did you find these stats? Interesting- I would like to see for D3 and D6
InigoMontoya
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Post by InigoMontoya »

Then you should look at them.
pioneer
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District 8

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Cottage Grove

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         15         39.90       38.61     -1.29
B1        15         30.02       30.79     +0.77
C         17         20.01       21.69     +1.68
Overall   47                               +0.13

Grade C-
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Dodge County

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         12         37.67       35.79     -1.69
B2        11         27.32       23.50     -3.82
C         11         18.14       14.85     -3.29
Overall   34                               -2.79

Grade: F 
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Eagan           

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         15         43.93       39.79     -4.14
B1 Blue   14         34.39       35.34     +0.95
B1 Green  14         34.39       32.94     -1.45
B2 Blue   13         26.60       23.52     -3.08
B2 Green  13         36.58       23.18     -3.40
C Blue    13         17.56       18.69     +1.13
C Green   13         17.40       17.73     +0.32
Overall   95                               -1.52

Grade: D-
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Farmington 

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         13         41.65       42.39     +0.74
B1 Black  13         31.43       34.42     +2.99
B1 Orange 13         31.46       32.55     +1.09
B2        13         24.06       24.58     +0.52
C         14         16.58       16.95     +0.37
Overall   44                               +1.34

Grade: B
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Hastings

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A         14         40.56       39.63     -0.93
B1        13         31.16       32.16     +1.00
B2        12         24.83       25.96     +1.13
C         12         16.71       17.24     +0.54
Overall   51                              +0.35

Grade: C+
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Hudson           

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          13         41.65       42.94     +1.29
B1         14         34.35       32.02     -2.33
B2         13         28.60       28.33     -0.27
C Blue     13         19.86       23.76     +3.90
C Red      13         19.70       20.85     +1.16
Overall    66                               +0.52

Grade: C+
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Inver Grove Heights

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A*        7          40.46       40.42     -0.04
B1        14         31.54       31.84     +0.31
C         13         19.86       21.42     +1.56
Overall   34                               +0.31

*A team is co-op with South St. Paul

Grade: B-
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La Crescent        

Team      Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
B1        11         27.66       30.83     +3.17
Overall   34                               +3.17

Grade: A+
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Lakeville North  

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          15         42.12       43.02     +0.93
B1         15         33.79       34.08     +0.29
B2 Red     13         25.46       29.60     +4.14
B2 Black   13         25.42       26.74     +1.32
C          13         15.17       19.60     +4.43
Overall    69                               +1.73

Grade: B 
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Lakeville South  

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          15         42.03       43.77     +1.74
B1         15         33.66       31.87     -1.79
B2         13         27.71       29.34     +1.63
C Crimson  12         18.99       19.31     +0.32
C Gold     12         18.84       20.60     +1.76
Overall    67                               +0.79

Grade: C+
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Northfield       

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          10         32.43       34.08     +1.65
B2         10         19.92       20.22     +0.30
Overall    20                               +1.01

Grade: B 
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Red Wing         

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          11         34.32       35.08     +0.76
B2         11         20.99       23.32     +2.32
Overall    22                               +1.49

Grade: B 
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River Falls      

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
B1         10         35.51       28.86     -6.65
C          10         21.20       16.17     -5.03
Overall    20                               -6.05

Grade: F 
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Rosemount        

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          13         41.81       43.15     +1.34
B1 Gold    13         31.75       33.31     +1.56
B1 Blue    13         31.72       34.62     +2.90
B2         15         24.79       25.02     +0.23
C          14         16.42       17.92     +1.51
Overall    68                               +1.62

Grade: B+
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Rochester        

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          14         45.88       44.46     -1.43
B1 White   14         36.16       32.69     -3.46
B1 Black   14         36.12       33.65     -2.47
B1 Red     13         35.75       32.48     -3.27
B2 Black   15         29.50       26.69     -2.81
B2 Red     15         29.49       26.68     -2.81
C1         16         20.15        ---       --- 
C2         13         19.67        ---       --- 
C3         15         19.42        ---       --- 
C4         12         19.42        ---       --- 
Overall   141                               -2.67

Note: C Teams not factored in as they do not play outside of their own association.

Grade: D-
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Sibley Area      

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          14         39.35       38.49     -0.86
B1         14         29.32       30.36     +1.05
C          14         19.28       19.04     -0.24
Overall    42                               +0.07

Grade: C 
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South St. Paul   

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A*          5         40.46       40.42     -0.04
B1         10         28.74       31.59     +2.85
C          11         19.83       21.22     +1.38
Overall    26                               +1.45

*A team is co-op with Inver Grove Heights

Grade: B+
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Winona           

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
B1         15         29.49       31.38     +1.89
Overall    26                               +1.89

Grade: A-
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Woodbury         

Team       Skaters    Expected    Actual    Difference
A          15         44.95       43.07     -1.88
B1 Blue    15         35.98       35.92     -0.06
B1 White   15         35.96       33.88     -2.08
B2 Black   14         27.57       28.06     +0.49
B2 Blue    14         27.57       29.65     +2.07
B2 White   14         27.57       28.91     +1.34
C White    15         17.67       19.09     +1.42
C Blue     14         16.93       19.72     +2.79
Overall   116                               +0.05

Grade: C 
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District 10

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Andover     

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          42.46		44.18    +1.72
B1           15          34.57		31.28    -3.29
B2 Black     14          29.15      28.58    -0.56
B2 Gold      14          24.08		21.80    -2.28
C            14          16.18      17.08    +0.90
Overall      71                              -0.54

Grade: C -
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Anoka     

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          41.59      40.86    -0.72
B1           15          32.94      32.69    -0.26
B2 Maroon    16          22.38      28.32    +5.85
B2 White     16          22.27      25.08    +2.81
Overall      62                              +1.80

Grade: B  
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Blaine

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          43.17      41.18    -1.99
B1           15          35.65      34.35    -1.29
B2 Black     13          26.27      25.25    -1.02
B2 Blue      13          26.24      26.14    -0.10
B2 White     13          26.21      25.23    -0.98
C            13          14.84      14.62    -0.23
Overall      81                              -0.95

Grade: C -
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Cambridge Isanti North Branch

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          39.47      36.50    -2.97
B1           15          29.21      27.66    -1.55
B2           14          18.99      16.94    -2.04
Overall      44                              -2.25

Grade: D -
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Centennial  

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          43.15      42.26    -0.90
B1           15          35.38      34.22    -1.16
B2 Gray      13          26.14      27.36    +1.22
B2 Black     13          26.11      27.82    +1.70
B2 White     13          26.08      26.50    +0.42
C            13          14.78      16.97    +2.19
Overall      82                              +0.43

Grade: C +
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Champlin Park

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          41.48      39.56    -1.92
B1           13          33.67      33.79    +0.13
B2 Blue      13          28.60      26.10    -2.49
B2 White     13          23.46      22.22    -1.24
C            12          15.48      13.26    -2.22
Overall      64                              -1.46

Grade: D +
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Chisago Lakes

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            11          38.66      38.06    -0.59
B1           11          30.58      31.29    +0.71
B2           11          24.74      23.42    -1.31
C            11          16.66      17.68    +1.02
Overall      44                              -0.16

Grade: C +
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Coon Rapids

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.35      38.23    -1.12
B1           14          29.32      29.60    +0.28
C            14          19.28      19.98    +0.69
Overall      42                              -0.05

Grade: C +
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Elk River 

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          42.44      46.04    +3.59
B1           14          34.27      34.74    +0.47
B2 Black     14          26.84      27.31    +0.47
B2 Red       14          26.84      26.74    -0.09
C            15          16.55      16.21    -0.33
Overall      72                              +1.04

Grade: B -
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Mora    

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B1           10          32.76      29.46    -3.30
B2           11          21.33      24.44    +3.11
Overall      21                              +0.58

Grade: D +
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Pine City

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B1           11          35.48      27.43    -8.05
B2           15          23.37      15.98    -7.39
Overall      26                              -7.64

Grade: F
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Princeton

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          40.06      37.98    -2.08
B1           12          30.16      28.87    -1.29
B2           12          23.95      23.74    -0.21
C             9          12.99      14.79    +1.80
Overall      47                              -0.60

Grade: C -
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Rogers    

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          40.68      39.18    -1.49
B1           14          31.70      30.52    -1.18
B2           12          24.66      24.28    -0.38
C            12          16.60      16.75    +0.15
Overall      52                              -0.77

Grade: C 
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Sauk Rapids

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B1           10          33.35      36.99    +3.64
B2           13          22.71      25.06    +2.35
Overall      23                              +2.95

Grade: A +
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Spring Lake Park

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          38.91      39.32    +0.41
B1           14          29.62      29.81    +0.19
B2           14          19.44      18.51    -0.93
Overall      41                              +0.05

Grade: C +
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St. Cloud        

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            15          42.88      39.64    -3.24
B1 Black     14          32.62      34.00    +1.38
B1 Red       13          32.31      33.52    +1.21
B2 Red       12          23.55      25.76    +2.21
B2 Black     12          23.54      21.86    -1.69
C            12          14.47      11.43    -3.04
Overall      78                              -0.50

Grade: D +
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St. Francis     

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          38.20      39.30    +1.11
B1           14          28.98      26.83    -2.15
B2           11          17.64      17.93    +0.29
Overall      37                              -0.28

Grade: C -
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District11

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Ashland     

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           13          28.39      22.69    -5.70
Overall      13                              -5.70

Grade: F   
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Cloquet   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.79      40.30    +0.51
B2 White     15          25.32      28.20    +2.88
B2 Purple    16          24.31      26.71    +2.40
Overall      45                              +1.58

Grade: B +
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Duluth East

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            18          39.32      41.32    +2.00
B2 Black     15          23.91      33.05    +9.14
B2 Red       15          23.76      29.19    +5.43
Overall      48                              +4.09

Grade: A +
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Duluth Lakers                

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.35      40.80    +1.45
B2 Red       14          24.37      25.83    +1.47
B2 Black     14          24.24      27.34    +3.10
Overall      42                              +2.00

Grade: B +
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Hermantown  

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          38.33      40.00    +1.67
B2 Blue      11          22.36      27.20    +4.85
B2 White     11          22.14      25.10    +2.96
Overall      36                              +3.10

Grade: A +
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Moose Lake   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2 Blue      12          28.39      23.27    -5.12
Overall      12                              -5.12

Grade: F  
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Proctor      

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.51      36.77    +1.26
B2           12          21.20      23.42    +1.81
Overall      25                              +1.39

Grade: B +
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Silver Bay 

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           12          28.39      22.69    -5.70
Overall      12                              -5.70

Grade: F  
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Superior  

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          38.26      39.36    +1.10
B2 Blue      12          23.40      24.12    +0.71
B2 White     12          23.25      26.65    +3.40
Overall      37                              +1.44

Grade: B +
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Two Harbors

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           12          28.39      25.45    -2.94
Overall      12                              -2.94

Grade: F  
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Curious, where would Shatttucks land in the ranking?
trippedovertheblueline
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pizzapizza wrote:Curious, where would Shatttucks land in the ranking?
have them start an association and this young ladd may tell you
pioneer
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District 16

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Okay AF1, here you go:

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Bemidji     

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          37.90      43.01    +5.11 
B2 Blue      11          22.59      23.07    +0.48  
B2 White     11          22.37      23.02    +0.65 
Overall      34                              +2.31 

Grade: A - 
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Crookston  

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            12          34.25      40.64    +6.39
B2           11          16.94      21.07    +4.12
Overall      23                              +5.66

Grade: A +
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East Grand Forks

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          39.35      47.05    +7.70
B1           15          29.20      31.47    +2.27
B2           13          18.51      27.48    +8.98
Overall      42                              +6.51

Grade: A + 
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Hallock                       

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          28.78      33.50    +4.72
Overall      13                              +4.72

Grade: A + 
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Lake of the Woods

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          28.78      32.41    +3.63
Overall      13                              +3.63

Grade: A +
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Red Lake Falls   

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
B2           10          23.28      26.82    +3.44
Overall      10                              +3.44

Grade: A +
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Roseau               

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            14          36.51      36.88    +0.49
B2           14          22.12      23.19    +1.07
Overall      28                              +0.74

Grade: B -
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Thief River Falls

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          35.81      40.23    +4.42
B2           13          21.76      21.74    -0.01
Overall      26                              +2.00

Grade: B +
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Warroad

Team         Skaters     Expected   Actual   Difference
A            13          28.78      33.81    +5.03
Overall      24                              +5.03

Grade: A +
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