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Re: District 10 Strangle Hold On Scrimmages
rj04 wrote:Well I am sure some of you have been informed that we here in D10 are being limited to 3 scrimmages prior to our final roster sign off Nov. 14th 2009, and that we can not scrimmage any teams outside of D10. From what I gather there a lot of teams district wide who are going to be affected by this. My sons team is one. Playing for a Bantam A team, we have been told that all scrimmages up to this point will be forgiven but we are not to go over 3. If we have already played 3 then we are done for a MONTH!!!!!! I am furious! We have spent time and money on this ice and now have to recind. Why is it that D10 IS THE ONLY DISTRICT IN MINNESOTA TO HAVE THIS RULE????? You want to talk about limiting your own district or what. What is the purpose of this rule? Who and what does it hurt to be able to scrimmage prior to the season beginning? Why is D10 the only district?
Because your District Director is not in it for the kids..he wants the attention on him and his ability to make "big" decisions...I am actually kind of surprised that you are shocked by this.
Keep it simple!!!
tim tim the idiot circus boy with the pretty new pet
I will say he is not what we need as a director but why did this all of a sudden come to light? I have found that this rule has been in affect for some time, just never inforced. That is what surprised me the most. I have been on the phone since yesterday trying to figure out why now. So many teams are wondering the same thing. It just does not make sense
Re: District 10 Strangle Hold On Scrimmages
rj04 wrote:Well I am sure some of you have been informed that we here in D10 are being limited to 3 scrimmages prior to our final roster sign off Nov. 14th 2009, and that we can not scrimmage any teams outside of D10. From what I gather there a lot of teams district wide who are going to be affected by this. My sons team is one. Playing for a Bantam A team, we have been told that all scrimmages up to this point will be forgiven but we are not to go over 3. If we have already played 3 then we are done for a MONTH!!!!!! I am furious! We have spent time and money on this ice and now have to recind. Why is it that D10 IS THE ONLY DISTRICT IN MINNESOTA TO HAVE THIS RULE????? You want to talk about limiting your own district or what. What is the purpose of this rule? Who and what does it hurt to be able to scrimmage prior to the season beginning? Why is D10 the only district?
You need to double check on just what has been limited.
Perhaps if your roster (try-out) is complete and you get a roster signed you can have your normal games (scrimmages).
Keep it simple!!!
We have been told that you get 3 games and that is it. D10 and Tim Timm has been very clear about that! WE have to have our rosters signed off by USA hockey and D10 for there approval and that happens Nov. 14th. Even though every team in D10 is formed rosters complete, and tryouts are over we still have to wait!!
That's crazy. First of all Blaine hosts the Hall of Fame Tourney and Centennial hosts a Bantam A event the first week of October. Both tourneys will guarantee those D10 teams over 3 games. You should note there really isn't anything called a scrimmage anymore as they're all games. You have refs, a clock and keep score it's a game. Can't really scrimmage Bantam As without refs and if you're going to have refs you might as well use the clock and keep score.
He's trying to use his authority to limit number of games. My guess is he's from a small association that is getting left behind so he's going to try and limit total number of games to penalize the better organized associations. There's a great photo at Phalen Arena. The 1978 Johnson Bantam A team, like 75-4-1. 80 games! That's probably too many but you get the point.
He's trying to use his authority to limit number of games. My guess is he's from a small association that is getting left behind so he's going to try and limit total number of games to penalize the better organized associations. There's a great photo at Phalen Arena. The 1978 Johnson Bantam A team, like 75-4-1. 80 games! That's probably too many but you get the point.
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Re: tim tim the idiot circus boy with the pretty new pet
If you have ever been to a Coaches/Manager meeting with the District 10 Board before the season starts all TIM TIMM does is throw his weight around demeaning everyone. For a small man he must think he has to do so to get his point acrossrj04 wrote:I will say he is not what we need as a director but why did this all of a sudden come to light? I have found that this rule has been in affect for some time, just never inforced. That is what surprised me the most. I have been on the phone since yesterday trying to figure out why now. So many teams are wondering the same thing. It just does not make sense
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Early roster sign off is not always a simple matter. I encourage you to discuss the paperwork side of things with your registrar. Most of the paperwork for the players is handled at registration but coaches are often responsible for holding up the process by not completing theirs. A smaller association is easier to manage than a larger one.
Unfortunately, this is not as simple as it once was or should be now. We are a litigious society and per USA/MN Hockey all the i's need to be dotted and t's need to be crossed.
Consistency across Districts would be a good thing but the pure size of the Districts and the Associations within may make that difficult.
I say, don't shoot the messenger.
Unfortunately, this is not as simple as it once was or should be now. We are a litigious society and per USA/MN Hockey all the i's need to be dotted and t's need to be crossed.
Consistency across Districts would be a good thing but the pure size of the Districts and the Associations within may make that difficult.
I say, don't shoot the messenger.
New this year is the requirement by USAH (somewhare along the line with them) that the rosters will be signed by the USAH associate registrar or her designee. They will allow a certain number of 'scrimmages' in the process of determining the players to be placed on the roster (3 in D10 apparently).
Until the roster is signed a team cannot play in any games or tournaments.
Apparently D10 is stuck on Nov. 14th.
There are alternatives.
Until the roster is signed a team cannot play in any games or tournaments.
Apparently D10 is stuck on Nov. 14th.
There are alternatives.
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Do we wonder why AAA Hockey continues to gain momentum?
So what is the necessity of starting tryouts in September. It is pointless.
And so everyone is clear roster sign offs in District 10 are at the Hall of Tournament it is easier for everyone to meet the District director at one place. WINK WINK!
Get out from behind your jackets and start using your heads, just once!
So what is the necessity of starting tryouts in September. It is pointless.
And so everyone is clear roster sign offs in District 10 are at the Hall of Tournament it is easier for everyone to meet the District director at one place. WINK WINK!
Get out from behind your jackets and start using your heads, just once!
Centennial AA State Champions 2004
Nice
We will have went through 28 practices of anywhere from an hour to two hours, and 6 days of tryouts before we ever play a league game.
And this is at the PW A level.
Anyone want to explain how final rosters were due October 2nd within the last couple of years and are now November 14th? Why can't the rosters be signedor finalized by someone anytime durning the month of October?
Helmet $110
Skates $350
Stick $150
Gloves $100
Team $750
Volunt $200
FamilyF $120
Misc $200
Tourny $500
ExtraIce $400. as of now...for more practice I might add.
IMHO This is simply unacceptable. This is simply the district tying the hands of the organizations.
I also believe organizations should be able to finalize their rosters anytime after they have made the final cut. We have known for almost 55 days who is on this team before we can play.
And this is at the PW A level.
Anyone want to explain how final rosters were due October 2nd within the last couple of years and are now November 14th? Why can't the rosters be signedor finalized by someone anytime durning the month of October?
Helmet $110
Skates $350
Stick $150
Gloves $100
Team $750
Volunt $200
FamilyF $120
Misc $200
Tourny $500
ExtraIce $400. as of now...for more practice I might add.

IMHO This is simply unacceptable. This is simply the district tying the hands of the organizations.
I also believe organizations should be able to finalize their rosters anytime after they have made the final cut. We have known for almost 55 days who is on this team before we can play.
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From the Mn Hockey Handbook Registration Minnesota District, These are USA Hockey/Mn Hockey requirements. The part concerning scrimmages is at the end and they use the word few scrimmages. If you do not like the rule get it changed at USA Hockey.
USA HOCKEY - MINNESOTA DISTRICT Registration Requirements
When the requirements below have been met, the insurance provided by membership in USA Hockey is in effect. This includes Sports Accident Coverage, Catastrophic Injury Coverage and Liability Coverage. Refer to the Membership brochure for information on these coverages. Further, the local associations are protected by the USA Hockey Liability Insurance against player injury provided that all participants (players, coaches and managers) and all teams of the local association are registered.
In addition to players, coaches and managers, certain other individuals considered essential to the game are also covered during games. These individuals include timekeepers, scorekeepers, penalty box attendants and goal judges.
1 Each player and coach on the team is individually registered with USA Hockey by having filled out the Individual Membership Registration form or has been electronically registered and either the IMRs or the electronic registrations, and the member registration fees are in the possession of the Registrar or the cognizant Associate Registrar.
2 All players and all coaches, having been individually registered above, are listed on the Official USA Hockey Team roster. (Note: This does not mean listed on a roster somewhere; it means listed on the roster of the team on which they are participating).
3 The team must be participating in a sanctioned event. Sanctioned events are team practices, scrimmage games against other registered teams, league games,
tournament games played in sanctioned tournaments, the state affiliate’s District,
Region and State Tournaments and USA Hockey National Tournaments. All games must be played using USA Hockey playing rules and all referees must be registered with USA Hockey. If a team participates in international competition, including Canada, a travel permit is required.
Any team that participates in competition against a non-registered team, participates in a non-sanctioned tournament or participates in international competition without a travel permit is subject to penalties including suspension by the state affiliate.
The following are exceptions to the above:
1 Prior to the regular hockey season it is recognized that Associations may conduct clinics and tryouts that are necessary to decide who is assigned to which team. This period is between when the individual members register and the regular season teams are formed and actually begin playing games. During this period all members are covered by the insurance described above provided that all of the participants (players, coaches and managers) are individually registered prior to participating in any activities. The assumption here is that all participants will ultimately appear on the roster of a registered team. This exception only applies in the fall prior to the regular season. It does not apply to spring or summer programs even though these programs are run by the local association. Note that every participant (players, coaches and managers) must be registered with their local association prior to participation in any activity and that these registrations must be sent to the Registrar or cognizant Associate Registrar not later than ten (10) days following the commencement of these activities.
2 From time to time it may be desirable to have High School players that are not registered members of USA Hockey to provide some coaching assistance for younger youth teams. If this occurs once or twice during the regular season, these individuals will be covered as incidental participants and it is not necessary for them to be registered or rostered. If it occurs more than once or twice, then the individuals must 2 From time to time it may be desirable to have High School players that are not registered members of USA Hockey to provide some coaching assistance for younger youth teams. If this occurs once or twice during the regular season, these individuals will be covered as incidental participants and it is not necessary for them to be registered or rostered. If it occurs more than once or twice, then the individuals must be registered and rostered on the team to which they are providing coaching assistance. There is no limit to the number of coaches that can be rostered on a team. There is a limit of four (4) Team Officials that can be on the bench during any given game.
If any Association wants to run a spring and or summer program that is essentially a clinic format, then additional registrations are required. The players and coaches participating in this spring or summer clinic need to be individually registered and be listed on roster(s) or on a team list(s) that is in the hands of the Minnesota District Registrar when the individuals are on the ice for the program. Individual registration runs from September 1, to August 31, and it is probable that most or all of the participants are already registered as individual members. The roster(s) or the team list(s) can be done alphabetically or otherwise with a limit of twenty (20) players per roster. If the spring or summer program teams plan to participate outside of their local program, the team MUST have a roster signed by all individuals and approved by the Minnesota District Registrar or designate.
It is recognized that some teams use scrimmage games as part of their tryout process. It is acceptable for a team to participate in 2 or 3 scrimmage games as part of the tryout process and because this is part of the tryout process, no rosters are required.
It is further recognized that once tryouts are completed, teams may participate in a few scrimmage games before their roster is verified and signed. After tryouts are complete, the basic registration requirements must be met.
1 The individual membership registrations for all participants (players and coaches) must have been received by the cognizant Associate Registrar
2 A copy of the team roster (see notes below) must be in the possession of the cognizant Associate Registrar. This roster should be clearly marked “preliminary” or “temporary”.
Notes concerning the team roster in 2 above:
This roster must contain the names of all of the participants (players and coaches). This roster does not have to be signed by the players or coaches. This roster does not have to be approved by the “Proper Authority”. This roster is only valid for pre-season scrimmage games. It is not valid for League Games, Tournament games or games played outside of USA Hockey (i.e. Canada). Games played while this temporary roster is in effect do not count toward meeting the National Tournament eligibility requirements. This roster will be retained by the Associate Registrar until the Official Roster is validated and approved, at which time, the Associate Registrar will discard this temporary roster
USA HOCKEY - MINNESOTA DISTRICT Registration Requirements
When the requirements below have been met, the insurance provided by membership in USA Hockey is in effect. This includes Sports Accident Coverage, Catastrophic Injury Coverage and Liability Coverage. Refer to the Membership brochure for information on these coverages. Further, the local associations are protected by the USA Hockey Liability Insurance against player injury provided that all participants (players, coaches and managers) and all teams of the local association are registered.
In addition to players, coaches and managers, certain other individuals considered essential to the game are also covered during games. These individuals include timekeepers, scorekeepers, penalty box attendants and goal judges.
1 Each player and coach on the team is individually registered with USA Hockey by having filled out the Individual Membership Registration form or has been electronically registered and either the IMRs or the electronic registrations, and the member registration fees are in the possession of the Registrar or the cognizant Associate Registrar.
2 All players and all coaches, having been individually registered above, are listed on the Official USA Hockey Team roster. (Note: This does not mean listed on a roster somewhere; it means listed on the roster of the team on which they are participating).
3 The team must be participating in a sanctioned event. Sanctioned events are team practices, scrimmage games against other registered teams, league games,
tournament games played in sanctioned tournaments, the state affiliate’s District,
Region and State Tournaments and USA Hockey National Tournaments. All games must be played using USA Hockey playing rules and all referees must be registered with USA Hockey. If a team participates in international competition, including Canada, a travel permit is required.
Any team that participates in competition against a non-registered team, participates in a non-sanctioned tournament or participates in international competition without a travel permit is subject to penalties including suspension by the state affiliate.
The following are exceptions to the above:
1 Prior to the regular hockey season it is recognized that Associations may conduct clinics and tryouts that are necessary to decide who is assigned to which team. This period is between when the individual members register and the regular season teams are formed and actually begin playing games. During this period all members are covered by the insurance described above provided that all of the participants (players, coaches and managers) are individually registered prior to participating in any activities. The assumption here is that all participants will ultimately appear on the roster of a registered team. This exception only applies in the fall prior to the regular season. It does not apply to spring or summer programs even though these programs are run by the local association. Note that every participant (players, coaches and managers) must be registered with their local association prior to participation in any activity and that these registrations must be sent to the Registrar or cognizant Associate Registrar not later than ten (10) days following the commencement of these activities.
2 From time to time it may be desirable to have High School players that are not registered members of USA Hockey to provide some coaching assistance for younger youth teams. If this occurs once or twice during the regular season, these individuals will be covered as incidental participants and it is not necessary for them to be registered or rostered. If it occurs more than once or twice, then the individuals must 2 From time to time it may be desirable to have High School players that are not registered members of USA Hockey to provide some coaching assistance for younger youth teams. If this occurs once or twice during the regular season, these individuals will be covered as incidental participants and it is not necessary for them to be registered or rostered. If it occurs more than once or twice, then the individuals must be registered and rostered on the team to which they are providing coaching assistance. There is no limit to the number of coaches that can be rostered on a team. There is a limit of four (4) Team Officials that can be on the bench during any given game.
If any Association wants to run a spring and or summer program that is essentially a clinic format, then additional registrations are required. The players and coaches participating in this spring or summer clinic need to be individually registered and be listed on roster(s) or on a team list(s) that is in the hands of the Minnesota District Registrar when the individuals are on the ice for the program. Individual registration runs from September 1, to August 31, and it is probable that most or all of the participants are already registered as individual members. The roster(s) or the team list(s) can be done alphabetically or otherwise with a limit of twenty (20) players per roster. If the spring or summer program teams plan to participate outside of their local program, the team MUST have a roster signed by all individuals and approved by the Minnesota District Registrar or designate.
It is recognized that some teams use scrimmage games as part of their tryout process. It is acceptable for a team to participate in 2 or 3 scrimmage games as part of the tryout process and because this is part of the tryout process, no rosters are required.
It is further recognized that once tryouts are completed, teams may participate in a few scrimmage games before their roster is verified and signed. After tryouts are complete, the basic registration requirements must be met.
1 The individual membership registrations for all participants (players and coaches) must have been received by the cognizant Associate Registrar
2 A copy of the team roster (see notes below) must be in the possession of the cognizant Associate Registrar. This roster should be clearly marked “preliminary” or “temporary”.
Notes concerning the team roster in 2 above:
This roster must contain the names of all of the participants (players and coaches). This roster does not have to be signed by the players or coaches. This roster does not have to be approved by the “Proper Authority”. This roster is only valid for pre-season scrimmage games. It is not valid for League Games, Tournament games or games played outside of USA Hockey (i.e. Canada). Games played while this temporary roster is in effect do not count toward meeting the National Tournament eligibility requirements. This roster will be retained by the Associate Registrar until the Official Roster is validated and approved, at which time, the Associate Registrar will discard this temporary roster
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I will tell you why they won't sign the rosters early:
Because it is an inconvenience to sign off on teams at multiple locations that might have early games, tournaments, etc. Too much driving around I guess especially since Minnesota Hockey pays for there mileage anyway.
It is not about the kids...it never has been.
District 10 wouldn't want to do any extra work to better there district.
Look at there teams that have done well, they all had the same plan....
Because it is an inconvenience to sign off on teams at multiple locations that might have early games, tournaments, etc. Too much driving around I guess especially since Minnesota Hockey pays for there mileage anyway.
It is not about the kids...it never has been.
District 10 wouldn't want to do any extra work to better there district.
Look at there teams that have done well, they all had the same plan....
Centennial AA State Champions 2004
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Re: Nice
Know what's unnacceptable? A Peewee A having a $150 stick. Get them a $30 wood one and they might be able to catch a passPWD10 wrote:We will have went through 28 practices of anywhere from an hour to two hours, and 6 days of tryouts before we ever play a league game.
And this is at the PW A level.
Anyone want to explain how final rosters were due October 2nd within the last couple of years and are now November 14th? Why can't the rosters be signedor finalized by someone anytime durning the month of October?
Helmet $110
Skates $350
Stick $150
Gloves $100
Team $750
Volunt $200
FamilyF $120
Misc $200
Tourny $500
ExtraIce $400. as of now...for more practice I might add.![]()
IMHO This is simply unacceptable. This is simply the district tying the hands of the organizations.
I also believe organizations should be able to finalize their rosters anytime after they have made the final cut. We have known for almost 55 days who is on this team before we can play.

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You might be interested to know last year rosters were signed off on Nov 1 with the league starting on the 9th. This tear it is 11/14 with the league starting on the 15th.
I do know that in years past the associations have requested a later sign off to accommodate the players involved in fall sports. You also have to take into account the time it takes to schedule all levels. Last year final declarations were on 10/6. The preseason schedule for D10 has been very consistent from year to year. A lot of time goes into scheduling and registration and if you do not believe me maybe volunteer for one of those positions and see just how much work and time is involved.
I do know that in years past the associations have requested a later sign off to accommodate the players involved in fall sports. You also have to take into account the time it takes to schedule all levels. Last year final declarations were on 10/6. The preseason schedule for D10 has been very consistent from year to year. A lot of time goes into scheduling and registration and if you do not believe me maybe volunteer for one of those positions and see just how much work and time is involved.
Re: Nice
Went that route for awhile. Blew out 4 Sherwoods in a one week period. Too much stress, or poor workmanship where the blade attaches to the shaft. Sticks literally explode and fracture all over the ice on certain shots.HockeyGuy81 wrote:Know what's unnacceptable? A Peewee A having a $150 stick. Get them a $30 wood one and they might be able to catch a passPWD10 wrote:We will have went through 28 practices of anywhere from an hour to two hours, and 6 days of tryouts before we ever play a league game.
And this is at the PW A level.
Anyone want to explain how final rosters were due October 2nd within the last couple of years and are now November 14th? Why can't the rosters be signedor finalized by someone anytime durning the month of October?
Helmet $110
Skates $350
Stick $150
Gloves $100
Team $750
Volunt $200
FamilyF $120
Misc $200
Tourny $500
ExtraIce $400. as of now...for more practice I might add.![]()
IMHO This is simply unacceptable. This is simply the district tying the hands of the organizations.
I also believe organizations should be able to finalize their rosters anytime after they have made the final cut. We have known for almost 55 days who is on this team before we can play.
Sadly gave up on wood.
$150 stick has lasted almost a whole year playing in about 50 games. Knock on wood...no pun intended.
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The point is sign off as teams or associations finish tryouts not when you dictate it works best for your schedules at the district.
Dont give people this garbage about volunteer and find out how much time it takes. We all know the coaches give away the most time...if you don't like don't do it.
Dont give people this garbage about volunteer and find out how much time it takes. We all know the coaches give away the most time...if you don't like don't do it.
Centennial AA State Champions 2004
geybeard needs a dye job
greybeard58 you can quote Minnesota Hockey all you want but the fact is that D10 is the only district in Minnesota that applies this rule. Further more it is only enforced when they want to. What is good for one is good for all tim tim. If you look at other posts you will see that there are teams scrimmaging outside of D10 and no one is stopping them. It is not a Minnesota Hockey rule, it is an interpretation. D10 is hindering our associations while others flourish. Shame shame tim tim. I received a phone call from a friend at D10 who stated that 2 12U coaches started this all, SLP and from my own association. Because they had a beef with Cent. Think before you act guys. You have hurt your own.
The 3 scrimmage rule was introduced this summer but was not going to be enforced. The reason D10 was forced to react was the selfish actions of the 12U coaches from the associations that frequent Fogerty Arena. When they called and told D10 that Red needs to get in compliance on scrimmages...D10 was forced to react.
I can't believe they didn't consider the consequence for every program in D10, including their own.
Well boyz....what little credibility you had....gone...you have put all D10 teams at a competitive disadvantage including your own starting today! Did you hurt Red? Sure, in the short term you hurt everyone, long-term.....you hurt yourself....good luck!
I can't believe they didn't consider the consequence for every program in D10, including their own.
Well boyz....what little credibility you had....gone...you have put all D10 teams at a competitive disadvantage including your own starting today! Did you hurt Red? Sure, in the short term you hurt everyone, long-term.....you hurt yourself....good luck!
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Wow! I've heard it all. What a dumb decision. If you want to make a rule that makes sense if you have some mythical date in November that rosters aren't final by, institute a rule that tryouts don't start until after MEA weekend for Peewees and Bantams so the football schedules are done and you don't conflict with football.
I don't know Tiny Tim, but he sounds like a......
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I don't know Tiny Tim, but he sounds like a......
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I take it panpan you are representing Dist. 10? I understand there are rules, regulations, policies etc., but why the extreme dramatic action that was taken? Like you stated it not only penalized 1 team, but the whole District. Why not communicate to all Associations District representatives what the policies state and the circumstances they will face if they abuse it. In this situation put the team that was in violation on probation or give them a warning and move forward. By making this BOLD decision is only hurting the players and there development. So if a child screws up in the classroom you kick him or her out and tell him or her they cannot come back til next semester? Get real! Let your ego go!panpan111 wrote:The 3 scrimmage rule was introduced this summer but was not going to be enforced. The reason D10 was forced to react was the selfish actions of the 12U coaches from the associations that frequent Fogerty Arena. When they called and told D10 that Red needs to get in compliance on scrimmages...D10 was forced to react.
I can't believe they didn't consider the consequence for every program in D10, including their own.
Well boyz....what little credibility you had....gone...you have put all D10 teams at a competitive disadvantage including your own starting today! Did you hurt Red? Sure, in the short term you hurt everyone, long-term.....you hurt yourself....good luck!
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Just when you think the great minds of the D10 board cant possibly get any dumber, they go and conjure up another sensational rule like this.
It's really quite amazing. How can a functional human brain even conceive such an idea as this? 3 Scrimmages against only D10 teams. Cant wait to see that great Centennial vs Chisago Lakes matchup, or how about a Blaine vs Princeton tilt. Who elects these clowns? And when does Minnesota Hockey step in say enough is enough?
A couple years ago a D10 board member actually told me that he felt Junior Gold was a better brand of hockey than Varsity.
It's really quite amazing. How can a functional human brain even conceive such an idea as this? 3 Scrimmages against only D10 teams. Cant wait to see that great Centennial vs Chisago Lakes matchup, or how about a Blaine vs Princeton tilt. Who elects these clowns? And when does Minnesota Hockey step in say enough is enough?
A couple years ago a D10 board member actually told me that he felt Junior Gold was a better brand of hockey than Varsity.
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