karl(east) wrote:Some thoughts on Lindquist and Jefferson:
Whether in Section 2 or 6, the Jaguars have spent most of the past decade in the state's least forgiving section. The road to State didn't go through Eden Prairie, Edina, or other schools with roughly double their enrollment in the 90s.
Lindquist faces the unenviable task of succeeding one of the state's most successful coaches--one whose record probably stacks up as the second-greatest ever.
While I don't know the details of the Jefferson situation, I'm sure the pipeline is not as strong as was in the early-to-mid 90s.
People like to blame coaches for problems that are beyond any one person's control.
With all that said, 2AA is Jefferson's to lose in 09-10. With the end of the Edina mini-dynasty of the past 3 years, this is a huge opportunity to jump into the vacuum.
Very good points.
It is easy for one of the most storied programs in the state to aim their scopes at the coach amidst a drought such as this, involving teams that have been oozing with talent. It seems to be the most logical scapegoat for the time being.
First off, there is no bigger fan of Lindquist than I. You should know that he works very hard year round with the youth programs as well as all the coaches around the state. He is well liked, respected, and Tom Sats single-handedly made sure he got the job after he retired. He has been to the State Tourney numerous times with 4 different programs(Devils Lake, Fargo South, Blake, Jefferson). His Blake team ended Jefferson's unbeaten streak in the mid-90's. His teams are always ranked in the top 5 year after year. He was a big factor in getting the renevations to Blake Arena a few years back. He is dedicated beyond belief and works just as hard as any coach in the state. Anybody that questions his credentials or disrespects the man needs their head examined - plain and simple.
[quote="schwang17"]First off, there is no bigger fan of Lindquist than I. You should know that he works very hard year round with the youth programs as well as all the coaches around the state. He is well liked, respected, and Tom Sats single-handedly made sure he got the job after he retired. He has been to the State Tourney numerous times with 4 different programs(Devils Lake, Fargo South, Blake, Jefferson). His Blake team ended Jefferson's unbeaten streak in the mid-90's. His teams are always ranked in the top 5 year after year. He was a big factor in getting the renevations to Blake Arena a few years back. He is dedicated beyond belief and works just as hard as any coach in the state. Anybody that questions his credentials or disrespects the man needs their head examined - plain and simple.[/quote]
flatontheice wrote:
Thanks so much for your help...you offer such great insight on this site. (2 posts) so where does that put Urick, Giles, Morenville (sp?), and the other 125 coaches in minnesota that didn't win the state tournament? They must all be a bunch of idiots.
Thank you for pointing out that my number of posts is directly correlated with my intelligence, as is yours. (618 posts.) You also did a great job of analyzing my comment. You nailed it. I definitely meant that every coach except EP's did a horrible job last year. Thanks for clearing that up for everyone.
What I was actually trying to say is that in the past 6 or 7 years that Lindquist has been at Jefferson, the team has had a tendency to under achieve come playoff time. Since 2003, they have been ranked in the top 3 in their section all but one year, including three number 1 seeds, only to have moved onto state once. That state trip included a disappointing loss to Holy Angels in the first round and a sixth place finish.
Jefferson has some really top notch talent coming back this year. They will not be as deep as last year but they will have more firepower. All I was saying, was that I would like to see if Lindquist can rally the troops and put together a state run this year.
Funny you should bring that up. Minnetonka actually had way more talent the past 6 years and they have done nothing. The coach you should really be throwing under the bus using your line of thinking is Centennial. What happens to the Centennial talent every year from Pee/Wee and Bantams to high school? #2 seed in sections 5 of last 6 years and only one state tournament appearance.
And actually the team that has underachieved the most in that section over the last 5 years is Holy Angles..ever since they got totally out coached by the Great Finn...they have been a 1-3 seed every year and have done nothing. Sound like you may have a kid that has gotten cut or some other axe to grind..if it is who i think it is, good luck at Holy Angels...and good riddance. The average height over there is soon gonna be under 5'6" anyway so you will fit right in.
Terry.Moore wrote:Just saw this. I completely agree with the guys supporting Jeff Lindquist. He is an outstanding and dedicated hockey coach.
Remember, last time they were at state they lost to a very strong HA team, after Connolly hit the cross bar in the third period. A great game.
Connolly was a stud in high school ...... fun player to watch. He could control the game from the back end. He was on the ice all of the time when he was a senior.
Deanertronterry has made the most sense so far. Flatontheice sounds ridiculous. When Deanertronterry makes a point, you bring up something very irrelevant to what he said and it's pissing me off to read.
Plain and simple, Lindquist isn't a good coach.
Now, flatontheice, are you going to yell at me for talking about a JEFFERSON coach on a JEFFERSON thread instead of a TONKA coach on a JEFFERSON thread?
the loss to HA in state was not a good game they scored with 2 seconds left to make it 3-2, they didn't have a good breakout or defensive scheme for all the talent they had (on the coaches). As far as other teams, well I don't really know how that pertains.
for all those saying they are #1 fans of the coaches I'm sorry that you misinturpreted what i said, what i meant was an ex player that was happy. not to say all players aren't happy, I was merely stating that even if this guy was a disgruntled player and you just brush him off because he doesn't share the views of the vast majority of the program then show me the proof of this and you will change my view.
(by proof I mean fact not opionion or what you heard from some guy whose kid played for him in devils lake or wherever a JEFFERSON player since this is a jefferson thread)
hiddenman wrote:the loss to HA in state was not a good game they scored with 2 seconds left to make it 3-2, they didn't have a good breakout or defensive scheme for all the talent they had (on the coaches). As far as other teams, well I don't really know how that pertains.
for all those saying they are #1 fans of the coaches I'm sorry that you misinturpreted what i said, what i meant was an ex player that was happy. not to say all players aren't happy, I was merely stating that even if this guy was a disgruntled player and you just brush him off because he doesn't share the views of the vast majority of the program then show me the proof of this and you will change my view.
(by proof I mean fact not opionion or what you heard from some guy whose kid played for him in devils lake or wherever a JEFFERSON player since this is a jefferson thread)
They outshot HA 27-14 in that game...I think they had a good enough breakout. They ran into a hot goalie who was the eventual tournament MVP in my opinion. FYI: Again, sorry your kid or you got cut or didn't play.
hiddenman wrote:the loss to HA in state was not a good game they scored with 2 seconds left to make it 3-2, they didn't have a good breakout or defensive scheme for all the talent they had (on the coaches). As far as other teams, well I don't really know how that pertains.
for all those saying they are #1 fans of the coaches I'm sorry that you misinturpreted what i said, what i meant was an ex player that was happy. not to say all players aren't happy, I was merely stating that even if this guy was a disgruntled player and you just brush him off because he doesn't share the views of the vast majority of the program then show me the proof of this and you will change my view.
(by proof I mean fact not opionion or what you heard from some guy whose kid played for him in devils lake or wherever a JEFFERSON player since this is a jefferson thread)
They outshot HA 27-14 in that game...I think they had a good enough breakout. They ran into a hot goalie who was the eventual tournament MVP in my opinion. FYI: Again, sorry your kid or you got cut or didn't play.
I hate those hot goalies!!!
Then again, I love em if they are on my sons team.
espnmobile8 wrote:Deanertronterry has made the most sense so far. Flatontheice sounds ridiculous. When Deanertronterry makes a point, you bring up something very irrelevant to what he said and it's pissing me off to read.
Plain and simple, Lindquist isn't a good coach.
Now, flatontheice, are you going to yell at me for talking about a JEFFERSON coach on a JEFFERSON thread instead of a TONKA coach on a JEFFERSON thread?
Here is a quote from you posted February 8th of this year: He has only been coaching for what, 4 years? 5 at the most? He is a very successful coach and a very good coach but is he really among the leaders in career wins among active coaches? I'm not trying to be sarcastic I'm really wondering.
Why the change of opinion? Your kid not play in the game as much as you wanted?
Ha that made me laugh when i read that, espnmobile8 you should get your stuff striaght however you are helping me prove my point lets say faltontheice's awesome preception skills are correct, I mean it has to be automatic you seem like the kind of person that can think of no wrong, then lets roll with that.
according to you Deanertronterry, espnmobile8 and myself are disgruntled players, you must have great math skills as well so you can probably do the math and know that that's 3 awesome now AGAIN I ask where is the proof players are happy?
Are you a player, ex-player, parent, ex parent? please tell me where you have learned all these great things about the program because from an outside view I cannot see how jeffersons teams can let down in february and march consistenly if they fully believe in their coaches you seem to have the inside scoop so let us in on your secrets.
hiddenman wrote:Ha that made me laugh when i read that, espnmobile8 you should get your stuff striaght however you are helping me prove my point lets say faltontheice's awesome preception skills are correct, I mean it has to be automatic you seem like the kind of person that can think of no wrong, then lets roll with that.
according to you Deanertronterry, espnmobile8 and myself are disgruntled players, you must have great math skills as well so you can probably do the math and know that that's 3 awesome now AGAIN I ask where is the proof players are happy?
Are you a player, ex-player, parent, ex parent? please tell me where you have learned all these great things about the program because from an outside view I cannot see how jeffersons teams can let down in february and march consistenly if they fully believe in their coaches you seem to have the inside scoop so let us in on your secrets.
Again..I only point out that Holy Angels, Minnetonka, Benilde, Centennial, White Bear Lake, and other schools have had bigger let downs in February and March with alot more talent. Why not throw them under the bus too. As far as past players go, give Brian Connley a call and ask him what he thinks, while you are at it call Matt Overman, or Josh Levine...their story will differ from yours because they actually played for him. Jefferson has had some good players the last few years but no depth. A lack of depth shows up the most in February and March. What has happened to Holy Angels in February in March? Trebil is the terrible coach..undefeated ranked #1 and loses to Burnsville?????? At least the loss last year to Edina was to a better team with more talent and depth.
Based on info included in hiddenman's entry on where top Jefferson players are now, it appears that Lindquist has done a very admirable job of preparing his players for after high school. Maybe someone should talk to these and other players that are no longer in high school and see how they feel about their experience with coach Lindquist. Was he honest with them? Did he create a positive environment? Did they succeed on and off the rink? Were they given tools to succeed after high school? Ask em.
gottago wrote:Based on info included in hiddenman's entry on where top Jefferson players are now, it appears that Lindquist has done a very admirable job of preparing his players for after high school. Maybe someone should talk to these and other players that are no longer in high school and see how they feel about their experience with coach Lindquist. Was he honest with them? Did he create a positive environment? Did they succeed on and off the rink? Were they given tools to succeed after high school? Ask em.
Then go and ask the hundreds of other kids from other team's that he's coached at his hockey camps how they feel. I went to his camp 3-4 times when I was a kid. He worked with me on my strengths and weaknesses and I had a real good experience. He is a class act and makes it fun for everyone. 1 practice he was skating windsprints with the kids. How many coaches do that?
I see you have to be told again, this is a JEFFERSON THREAD I don't need to talk about all these teams that have had let downs because it doesn't matter and it also doesn't excuse Jefferson for letting down either, that would be stupid. Also, schwang why would we ask other kids that arent in the jefferson program, you sounds stupid this is about the jefferson kids being happy.
As for shwang's knowledgeless post you could even coach the wild in high school and they would be top ten. It's easy to win games when you have talent which Jefferson has had every year since saterdalin left. However, talent can't win all the games on its own you need coaching, systems, belief in those systems to be successful late and your right it has been horrible late in the season thanks for agreeing.
Finally, I say yes please do ask them and see what they say thats what I've already asked you to do, because then we'll know for sure, you seem to be speculating that they liked him because they had natural talent so
Once again I ask who is happy?
o and I almost forgot, he is a genius, skating windsprints with the kids I've thinking about this all wrong, only the best coaches skate windsprints and to think I've been naive for so long.
