Select 17s

hockeyhockey44 · Post by **hockeyhockey44** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:34 am

does anyone know where we can see the final 54 selections?

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:53 am

hockeyhockey44 wrote:does anyone know where we can see the final 54 selections?

summer · Post by **summer** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:28 pm

Knock The Net Off Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 10:11 am Post subject:

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Say what you want but there is WAY to much politics and favoritism all the way up or down which ever way you want to look at it. I have been involved in teams where a kid who was ranked the lowest by his coaching staff in the first round at Wayzata made the final (national) team, this was done without any input from the coaches. The explanation was that the guys upstairs must have seen something that the coaches didnt. If that were the case it would seem easy enough to call in the coaches and get there thoughts, have a discussion and review selection together if there was such a big discrepancy why ask coaches there opinions if they are not respected. This is why you dont have the best coaches and pure hockey people involved. As far as section 7 I have seen some very bad injustices made at the selection process. Maybe they should send coaching staffs to differnt section tryouts to evaluate so you can attempt to minimize some of these problems and they ARE problems. Its not the stars but the kids on the bottom half that can be evaluated unfairly. These kids have worked very hard to get there and should be evaluated properly. Because a kid isnt great at 16 doesnt mean he cant be great at 18. Give the kids the oppurtunities they have earned. Do not hand out gifts.

I don't understand what motivates coaches who hand out gifts, do they think since they are doing everyone a favor being a coach, they can choose who they want, not who is best and truely deserves to be chosen? Is it in fact why they are coaches in that position, so they can cheat, or the guys upstairs who over ride the coaches and choose others?

Papa Bergundy · Post by **Papa Bergundy** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:58 pm

Say what you want but there is WAY to much politics and favoritism all the way up or down which ever way you want to look at it. I have been involved in teams where a kid who was ranked the lowest by his coaching staff in the first round at Wayzata made the final (national) team, this was done without any input from the coaches

I'm curious to know what player you're talking about. You should PM instead of putting his name on the internet

The explanation was that the guys upstairs must have seen something that the coaches didnt. If that were the case it would seem easy enough to call in the coaches and get there thoughts, have a discussion and review selection together if there was such a big discrepancy why ask coaches there opinions if they are not respected.

Well, isn't that the point of the guys upstairs? The coaches are there to manage the team fairly, and to report behavioral issues with players if there were any. The guys upstairs ultimately choose the team, and they don't get "upstairs" for no good reason. Good coaches and good hockey minds are the evaluators of the process. And don't let this one case you allegedly dealt with taint the whole process for you. I can assure that most of the coaches on the bench have a say in who gets picked.

This is why you dont have the best coaches and pure hockey people involved.

Huh? Can you elaborate on why you wouldn't want the best hockey minds and coaches involved. That makes no sense, but I may be misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

As far as section 7 I have seen some very bad injustices made at the selection process. Maybe they should send coaching staffs to differnt section tryouts to evaluate so you can attempt to minimize some of these problems and they ARE problems. Its not the stars but the kids on the bottom half that can be evaluated unfairly.

Every year it's the same stuff. We get it. Some kids that could or should have made the team didn't. Obviously there are some cases where there were parents and coaches inside lobbying for their player to get in, but I would say for the most part, parents just disagree with the evaluators decisions. The bottom half of the best players in a section in the state of Minnesota is kind of a melting pot. There's a lot of hockey talent in this state and it's impossible to pick a roster that makes everybody happy. They try their best. Deal with it.

These kids have worked very hard to get there and should be evaluated properly. Because a kid isnt great at 16 doesnt mean he cant be great at 18. Give the kids the oppurtunities they have earned. Do not hand out gifts.

MN Hockey and the Selects process don't care if you're good at 18, the highest age is 17s

. And don't say "hand out gifts", are you trying to say that kids who you think got picked unfairly didn't work hard for that spot? Even if you think another player is better, don't put a judgement on a kids work ethic. I'm sure everyone who made it deserved it.

Knock The Net Off · Post by **Knock The Net Off** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:43 pm

Papa Burgandy: Check your PM.

MnPride2 · Post by **MnPride2** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:59 am

hockeyhockey44 wrote:does anyone know where we can see the final 54 selections?

http://minnesotahockey.org/assorted/200 ... osters.pdf

17`s roster

Marty McSorely · Post by **Marty McSorely** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:16 am

How does the goalie from Austin not get picked?

TTpuckster · Post by **TTpuckster** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:32 pm

Marty McSorely wrote:How does the goalie from Austin not get picked?

They don't take players from Texas.

oldguy39 · Post by **oldguy39** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:58 pm

What about the two from shattuck? Are they both MN. kids? Just wondering. I personaly dont know how you can get it right and make those choices on three games. You would have to really do something special to impress the evaluators if your not a Benick or Rau or Gardiner. But there where alot of great players out there last weekend.

Iceburg · Post by **Iceburg** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 1:48 pm

oldguy39 wrote:What about the two from shattuck? Are they both MN. kids? Just wondering.

Clark is from Eden Prairie. LaFontaine grew up mostly in Montana where his father coached a junior team for several years. The family has lived in Faribault the past two years as his father is coaching one of the teams at Shattuck now.

PeterDenton · Post by **PeterDenton** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:55 pm

For those curious of who on the Select 17 festival who made it to Select 16 Nationals:

Those having made Select 16 Nationals
Section Name: Points: "Rank
(points only):"
5A-5AA (Gold) Nick Bjugstad 6 23
1A-1AA (Orange) Connor Faupel 5 35
7A-7AA (Teal) Derek Forbort 4 46
7A-7AA (Teal) Garrett Hendrickson 4 50
8A-8AA (Purple) Adam Knochenmus 4 67
4A-4AA (Col. Blue) Noah Gavin 4 69
5A-5AA (Gold) Brett Stern 3 86
7A-7AA (Teal) Cal Decowski 3 88
1A-1AA (Orange) Jason Clark 3 104
7A-7AA (Teal) Matt Youso 2 118
5A-5AA (Gold) Andrew Pitts 2 123
6A-6AA (Gray) Max Gardiner 2 129
5A-5AA (Gold) Sam Windle 2 140
6A-6AA (Gray) Justin Holl 1 151
4A-4AA (Col. Blue) Adam Wilcox 0 N/A
7A-7AA (Teal) Jack McFarlane 0 202
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PeterDenton · Post by **PeterDenton** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:05 pm

hockeyfever44 wrote
"Never seen any of those players on the list for making it to the USA Hockey National Player Development Camp for Select 16's or 17's. Connor Faupel has top level skills that D1 coaches and scouts are noticing. "

Actually Connor didnt make the USA Hockey National Player Development Camp for 17's getting a little to excited before the results came out

hockeyfever44 · Post by **hockeyfever44** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:09 pm

I didn't think Connor looked very good but he still should have made the final 54.

You can't afford to not look sharp.

I talked to Connor after tryouts and he predicted that he wouldn’t make it. When I asked why, he said “I won't make it because the coach made it pretty clear by not saying one good thing about me but told every other D how good they look. It’s BS.”

Connor's dad said Connor looked sluggish and not very sharp.

Oh well, he’s still a very good hockey player and I'm sure he'll be on to better things.

Who knows, maybe all the crap on this sight had something to do with it too.

Nobody will ever know except the insiders.

Rookie19 · Post by **Rookie19** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:55 pm

I thought all of the other defense on his team looked better than he did

Good luck to connor and his next 2 years as a century panther hopefully he can go D3 somewhere but it will take a lot of hard work... something he will have to learn how to do

gopherfan13 · Post by **gopherfan13** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:29 pm

Also, didn't Jordan Paulusky make the new york team last year? i didn't make the festival, maybe he played bad, but making it last year should prove him worthy of the final 54 i would think..

PeterDenton · Post by **PeterDenton** » Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:06 pm

"I talked to Connor after tryouts and he predicted that he wouldn’t make it. When I asked why, he said “I won't make it because the coach made it pretty clear by not saying one good thing about me but told every other D how good they look. It’s BS.”

itsjusthockey · Post by **itsjusthockey** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:23 pm

The final 54 shows how poor of a job the so called coaches in section 1 did, they were awful

davey · Post by **davey** » Wed Apr 08, 2009 4:01 pm

itsjusthockey wrote:The final 54 shows how poor of a job the so called coaches in section 1 did, they were awful

Really, the coaches fault that more kids did not make the final 54. Last year those same coaches coached the team that won the tourney and sent 4 kids to the 17's National Development camp. I'd say the kids weren't as good maybe

hockeyfever44 · Post by **hockeyfever44** » Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:10 pm

Hey PeterD, you can't read, you must be from Mayo

Connor never said it was the coaches fault.

Open your eyes and re-read the posting (you too coach), no blame was put on anyone.

thiscrazygame · Post by **thiscrazygame** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 5:20 pm

Anyone know how the games are going this weekend

starmvp · Post by **starmvp** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:19 pm

Team red went 1-1 today

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