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youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:21 pm

Stoa signed with Colorado, opens up the NEED for Buddish.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:41 pm

Stoa departure was expected

I hope Budish gets himself in college shape and plays for the Gophs. That would be good in many ways.

HOCKEY SCOUT · Post by **HOCKEY SCOUT** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:00 pm

Budish back playing at 100% would be a big step in the right direction for the Gophers. The kid will make them tougher and add some much needed grit and size. The Gophers need to add more players like this, the kind of players that help you win the tough grind it out type games.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:11 pm

Sure hope Budish comes back from his from knee surgery the way Stoa did. Stoa was one of a very few Gophers to have an outstanding season this year. There is always a huge adjustment stepping up right from high school to D1, and with Budish having missed a whole season it will only be more difficult to have an immediate impact. Best of luck to him as the Gophers will need all the help they can get.

WayOutWest · Post by **WayOutWest** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:03 am

youngblood08 wrote:Stoa signed with Colorado, opens up the NEED for Buddish.

I believe Budish is going to play for Green Bay, for the full year, next year, before coming to the Gophs.
Still, the Gophs have a lot of nice recruits coming in next season.

dirtflop88 · Post by **dirtflop88** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:32 am

budish= over rated

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:14 am

dirtflop88 wrote:budish= over rated

Care to elaborate?

TheHockeyDJ · Post by **TheHockeyDJ** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:51 am

The lack of toughness the gophers had this year, they need a guy like Budish. Or maybe they can trade with the Wild for Boogaurd...lol.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 12:51 pm

dirtflop88 wrote:budish= over rated

He looked like a man playing with boys in the elite league.

CasseauCougar · Post by **CasseauCougar** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:05 pm

Lou Nanne was on KFAN this week and he hit it on the head. With Stoa leaving they can't afford NOT to bring Buddish in THIS next season. The other issue, you make him play a year of juniors first and the Gophers will only get a year out of him before pros.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:08 pm

CasseauCougar wrote:Lou Nanne was on KFAN this week and he hit it on the head. With Stoa leaving they can't afford NOT to bring Buddish in THIS next season. The other issue, you make him play a year of juniors first and the Gophers will only get a year out of him before pros.

Is he playing now? How long do they figure it will it take him to be at 100%?

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:07 pm

Zach Buddish plays SMALLER than he is. His size will only carry him so far in the WCHA. He's had the luxury of being bigger and stronger than most he's played against the past 3 year's. Throw in the fact he hasn't played in a year and no one really knows how he will react. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here and crown this kid the savoir before he even steps foot on Marriucci ice. Haven't we learned our lesson yet thinking the MN high school player is going to come in and dominate? With few exceptions, those days are long gone.
Yes, he's big and strong, but it still remains to be seen if he thinks the game well enough to score 25-30 goals in the WCHA. Every year there are guys that come on here and shoot there mouths off about this player and that player. Every year it's a new savior and every year, at least the last several we've been let down.. a.k.a Jake Hansen, Michael Doore, Nicco Sachetti, Jay Barriball, Aaron Ness on and on. .. Although talented players at the Minnesota High School level, to this point at least in my opinion have been bust's. Lucia needs to start recruting outside of MN if Goldies boys are ever to get back in the game.

CasseauCougar · Post by **CasseauCougar** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:51 pm

Not a fan eh?

wbmd · Post by **wbmd** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:11 pm

ALSECORD wrote:Zach Buddish plays SMALLER than he is. His size will only carry him so far in the WCHA. He's had the luxury of being bigger and stronger than most he's played against the past 3 year's. Throw in the fact he hasn't played in a year and no one really knows how he will react. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here and crown this kid the savoir before he even steps foot on Marriucci ice. Haven't we learned our lesson yet thinking the MN high school player is going to come in and dominate? With few exceptions, those days are long gone.
Yes, he's big and strong, but it still remains to be seen if he thinks the game well enough to score 25-30 goals in the WCHA. Every year there are guys that come on here and shoot there mouths off about this player and that player. Every year it's a new savior and every year, at least the last several we've been let down.. a.k.a Jake Hansen, Michael Doore, Nicco Sachetti, Jay Barriball, Aaron Ness on and on. .. Although talented players at the Minnesota High School level, to this point at least in my opinion have been bust's. Lucia needs to start recruting outside of MN if Goldies boys are ever to get back in the game.

That's for sure.

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:42 pm

ALSECORD wrote:Zach Buddish plays SMALLER than he is. His size will only carry him so far in the WCHA. He's had the luxury of being bigger and stronger than most he's played against the past 3 year's. Throw in the fact he hasn't played in a year and no one really knows how he will react. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves here and crown this kid the savoir before he even steps foot on Marriucci ice. Haven't we learned our lesson yet thinking the MN high school player is going to come in and dominate? With few exceptions, those days are long gone.
Yes, he's big and strong, but it still remains to be seen if he thinks the game well enough to score 25-30 goals in the WCHA. Every year there are guys that come on here and shoot there mouths off about this player and that player. Every year it's a new savior and every year, at least the last several we've been let down.. a.k.a Jake Hansen, Michael Doore, Nicco Sachetti, Jay Barriball, Aaron Ness on and on. .. Although talented players at the Minnesota High School level, to this point at least in my opinion have been bust's. Lucia needs to start recruting outside of MN if Goldies boys are ever to get back in the game.

I'll give you Dorr, he didn't pan out here.
I would say you are flat out wrong to call the other guys busts.
Matter of fact, I'm gonna bump this one every now and then.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:31 pm

I don't think he has to go outside of Minnesota for Recruiting, I would say he needs to start recruiting the right Minnesota players. Not always the Aaron Ness's or David Fischers of the Mn high school hockey world. Another thing that would help is letting them season in the Jrs a year or so instead of always bringing in the kids that will be leaving in a year or 2 as a 19 yr old. Same cookie cutter type players with the Mr Hockey accolades. Too many press clip darlings and not enough of the gritty git-er-done type guys. It's apparent Jordan Schroeder isn't at the U of M for an education, maybe a Hockey education. Lets start getting the UofM to bring in COLLEGE HOCKEY players and stop being a rest stop for future pros.

The Gophers were too small and too young this year. Think about it sometimes it was like an A Bantam team playing a B Peewee team in age difference, that is huge. How many of you didn't physically mature until after High School?

CasseauCougar · Post by **CasseauCougar** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:40 pm

youngblood08 wrote:The Gophers were too small and too young this year. Think about it sometimes it was like an A Bantam team playing a B Peewee team in age difference, that is huge. How many of you didn't physically mature until after High School?

Gotta agree on this one. Reminds me of Woogy's recruiting. Doug ALWAYS loved the speedy little HS goal scorers. Then when they got to college, all they did was get pushed around. Now I will say, even though I think he'd benefit from a year of Jrs, they DO need to bring Buddish in straight away. Hopefully they can get him to use his size right away. If he expects to do anything in the pros, he's going to need to learn to sooner rather than later.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:49 pm

Ness 2 goals and 15 assists compared to the follwoing:

Jake Gardiner 3 goals and 18 assists
Ryan McDonaugh 5 goals and 11 assists

Would you call these two busts too?? Especially since they were both mid to high 1st round picks. Come on ya loser!! The kid was supposed to be a senior in high school this year. He had 17 points as a freshman, which is not to bad considering everything.

Jay Barriball had 11 goals and 23 assists for a pretty decent season too.

ALSECORD know your stuff...every kid that comes in here as a freshman cant immediately dominate. You are making it sound like every freshman should come in and score 30+ points.

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:50 pm

[quote="youngblood08"]I don't think he has to go outside of Minnesota for Recruiting, I would say he needs to start recruiting the right Minnesota players. Not always the Aaron Ness's or David Fischers of the Mn high school hockey world. Another thing that would help is letting them season in the Jrs a year or so instead of always bringing in the kids that will be leaving in a year or 2 as a 19 yr old. Same cookie cutter type players with the Mr Hockey accolades. Too many press clip darlings and not enough of the gritty git-er-done type guys. It's apparent Jordan Schroeder isn't at the U of M for an education, maybe a Hockey education. Lets start getting the UofM to bring in COLLEGE HOCKEY players and stop being a rest stop for future pros.

Exactly. I think this point has been proven this past two weeks while the college hockey post season has been underway. Why did the gophers get beat by UMD. Other than the fact that Stalock shocked them, the had a lot of seniors who had played together for four years. They don't stick around for a year and pack their bags. This builds continuity within the team. I don't remember the last Gopher team I saw that had string senior leadership. This is because most of their best players are sophmores or fershmen. I am surprised that Stoa stuck around this long.

Lakeviewing · Post by **Lakeviewing** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:52 am

youngblood08 wrote:Stoa signed with Colorado, opens up the NEED for Buddish.

I agree, Lucia needs Buddish now.

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:53 am

Tigers33 wrote:Ness 2 goals and 15 assists compared to the follwoing:

Jake Gardiner 3 goals and 18 assists
Ryan McDonaugh 5 goals and 11 assists

Would you call these two busts too?? Especially since they were both mid to high 1st round picks. Come on ya loser!! The kid was supposed to be a senior in high school this year. He had 17 points as a freshman, which is not to bad considering everything.

Jay Barriball had 11 goals and 23 assists for a pretty decent season too.

ALSECORD know your stuff...every kid that comes in here as a freshman cant immediately dominate. You are making it sound like every freshman should come in and score 30+ points.

Do your home work, Aaron Ness, dob = May 18th 1990 that would have made him a senior LAST YEAR. He didn't graduate early he just caught up to the rest of the kids his age. if he stayed at high he would be lose almost 2 yrs in the draft group exposure wise. Now add the height and weight of the 2 you mention . oh wait I will,

Ryan McDonaugh 6'1" 212 lbs, dob = June 13th 1989 graduated with his class.

Jake Gardiner 6' 2" 181, dob = July of 1990 so that makes him almost 2 months younger then Ness but yet he graduated with his class.

Also not every freshmen can but Jay Barribal scored 44 points his freshmen year. So that kind of shoots both AL's and Tigers statements in the preverbial foot! Jays not a bust and scored 44 points as a freshmen.

Ness scored some points but he also got worked even strength, looks real good when no one around to knock him down.

WHAT! · Post by **WHAT!** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:10 am

Budish is a beast enough said. He is thee type of player the U should go after weather he sat a year or not they need a guy like him. If I am not mistaken, THE U should have gone after a couple more of the Edina boys as well. If you think about it they did nothing but dominate at every level they played at including the first year they played high school hockey. at least they would have stayed in college the four years!

The U lacks good solid college hockey players. yes they get the best! but only playing a year is not going to win you anything. Herb Brooks did not recuit the best he recuited hockey players that he had uses for. I think DON needs to do the same. He needs to get the 6-2 plumber as much as the 50 point guy! Having to many studs is the wrong way to look at it. You look at any good team and you have guys to score and you have guys who work. you need a mix if you do not have that you are not going to get it done. Sorry for the soapbox any mis-spelling etc just my thoughts.

Moose Jaw, SK · Post by **Moose Jaw, SK** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:06 am

youngblood08 wrote:I don't think he has to go outside of Minnesota for Recruiting, I would say he needs to start recruiting the right Minnesota players. Not always the Aaron Ness's or David Fischers of the Mn high school hockey world. Another thing that would help is letting them season in the Jrs a year or so instead of always bringing in the kids that will be leaving in a year or 2 as a 19 yr old. Same cookie cutter type players with the Mr Hockey accolades. Too many press clip darlings and not enough of the gritty git-er-done type guys. It's apparent Jordan Schroeder isn't at the U of M for an education, maybe a Hockey education. Lets start getting the UofM to bring in COLLEGE HOCKEY players and stop being a rest stop for future pros.

The Gophers were too small and too young this year. Think about it sometimes it was like an A Bantam team playing a B Peewee team in age difference, that is huge. How many of you didn't physically mature until after High School?

With Bemidji entering the WCHA soon are the gophers going to apply to the OHL or the WHL soon? This is crazy, kids aren't going to the U for an education, kids like Ness and Schroeder should be playing 70 games a year in Ontario or Western Canada vs 30 in D-1 US college hockey. Plus then when they hit 20 they age out and can go to the NHL. It is the same age the gophers leave when they come into college at 18 and leave at 19 or 20. They had no senior or junior class this year because all the talented players that came in should be graduating this spring but instead are in their sophomore seasons in the NHL!!!!

The Don needs a large tall glass of FIGURE IT OUT!!!

toe drag · Post by **toe drag** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:21 am

So when Herb Brooks coached, kids were offered 1mil or so to go pro and a one-way contract? How is 1979 to now a comparison? By the way Herb recruited the best players in the state, not role players for college hockey. (don't get me started on Flynn)

Fast forward...
So if Lucia did not get recruits like Stoa, Okposo, Kessel, Wheeler, Vanek, and win two titles, what would the consensus be? Can't recruit...Can't get the top players...

Do you think this guy doesn't want to win? Lucia goes after and gets the best kids. The top decide to go pro, just works out that way. You don't recruit a kid because "he might leave' in a year or two. So if you were the coach you would look to recruit top 25-40 best kids in the country instead of the 1-25?

Think if you had Stoa, Wheeler, Okposo and Kessel and try to put a top line together. Good problem to have. They all decided on an excellerated path and you (Lucia) actually had a part in their development.

Bottom line, Lucia knows what he is doing and understands the college climate and if he needs Budish he will bring him into the fold, but if he doesn't and the recruits coming in can do the job, so be it. If you are a top player, you will have to prove it...and its kinda weird that Lucia continues to have those players.

BodyShots · Post by **BodyShots** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:43 am

The Goph's have a good mixture of size (Flynn, Hoefel), speed (Barribal, Mattson), and talent (Carman, Schoeder) up front. What they are missing is good, big, tough defensemen to clear the front of the net and put a little fear in the opposition.

Ness - Small, shifty defensemen with great vision. Weak in the d zone
Farichild - Small, shifty defensemen with great vision. Weak in the d zone and gets beat 1-1 because of lack of speed
Wehrs - Small, weak, and not sure why he is D1
Fisher - Big, slow, and not very physical
Lofquist - Big, average speed with a good shot. Looked like he was willing to mix it up.
Shack - Big, strong, and not the brighest bulb on the tree. Hasn't been given much playing time.

Now you are going to add Leddy to the group. He looks to have average size and good speed with great vision. They need to add a big, rugged defensemen. Losing Stu Bickel really hurt. Is there any big boys out there in the USHL ready to make the next jump?

As for Budish, yes he is big and strong. But he is not going to be ready to jump into the WCHA after sitting out a year. Give the kid time to heal and rebuild the muscles. I expect to see him in 2010-11 season.

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