BANTAM A STATE TOURNAMENT

[elliott70]

Let the games begin. Once you hit that lockeroom and ice nothing else matters. Wish i could make the trip. Boy i wish i was a Bantam again!!!Please post lots of updates please. There has to be one upset???? Any predictions on upsets?

Well one prediction/upset is highland over bemidji.
i heard that the two highland players that supposedly left for JV/Varsity were in europe for a developmental team but the team's season ended early and they were allowed back on the team.

But thats just talk.. ..

Not possible, but I will spend extra time with their manager on Thursday.

[AVeagles5890]

[quote="elliott70"][quote="AVeagles5890"][quote="Glovesreallysmell"]Let the games begin. Once you hit that lockeroom and ice nothing else matters. Wish i could make the trip. Boy i wish i was a Bantam again!!!Please post lots of updates please. There has to be one upset???? Any predictions on upsets?[/quote]

Well one prediction/upset is highland over bemidji.
i heard that the two highland players that supposedly left for JV/Varsity were in europe for a developmental team but the team's season ended early and they were allowed back on the team.

But thats just talk.. ..[/quote]

Not possible, but I will spend extra time with their manager on Thursday.[/quote]

Yes, i figured out that they did not come back.
Kids on the team had a joke that got passed on and people thought it was serious.
But highland will play tough.
I have attended one or two games and they are tough.
inconsistant.
but tough.

[punchinbag]

I agree with hockeyma...always!!!

[pondyplayer93]

any scores from the games today?

[hockeyjunkie2]

any scores from the games today?

Games don't start until noon tomorrow.

[OnFrozenPond]

Bantam A Quarterfinal score:

Duluth East 5
Mpls-Park 2

Final

[muckandgrind]

Bantam A Quarterfinal score:

Duluth East 5
Mpls-Park 2

Final

Mpls Park was leading this game half way through the 3rd period and then just fell apart.

[Night Train]

Unfortunately the Duluth East, Mpls-Park game was decided by a bad ref making a bad call. I don't know how many penalty shots anyone has seen this year after seeing their players pulled down on breakaways but this ref decides to call a penalty shot with 8 minutes left and Mpls Park leading 2-1. I've seen 15-20 players pulled down from behind this year and never a penalty shot. Not one. All year. State Tourney and this ref decides to make a call I doubt he's made all season.

Frankly there wasn't even a penalty but if there was a call to be made maybe a hook and a power play. Penalty shot? Very bad reffing. No other way to look at it.

Congrats to Duluth East but they can't feel real good about this one.

I'm sure everyone will agree, bad call by a bad team of officials.

[HockeyGuy81]

I'm sure DE feels just fine with the victory, they're playing in the state semi's.

Also, I'm positive that not everyone will agree with you. I wasn't at the game, but people will interpret the call differently than you.

[hockeyman84]

Terrible call it was very disapointing to see such a great game get completly turned around by a bad call. After that goal mpls fell apart and lost everything they had going for them earlier in the game.
Rochester-4
OMG-1
At least this game was decided by the players on the ice.

[northwoods oldtimer]

Did the refs factor in the other 4 goals scored by East as well? I agree it was a complete suprise to get the penalty shot but it did not determine this game.

[Hockey1919]

The ref did factor in the last 3 goals when he galled the penalty shot it turned the whole tide of the game. I do believe that DE would have won but it wrecked a great game and experience for MPLS Park.

[offthecrossbar]

northwoods oldtimer,

Your post has made me angry enough to come on here and post.

I listened to this game on the webcast and I can tell you the announcers sounded aghast that a penalty shot was being called as there was NO infraction. In the few minutes after that they seemed even more puzzled that the refs were'nt calling Duluth for some brazen checks from behind.

The broadcast didn't come right out and say it, but to anyone listening things sounded fishy. Now to see posts here and you attempting to minimize makes me a little perturbed. Minneapolis Park was on their way to taking down the Northland's favorite and it sounded like they got railroaded.

[RickO'Shea]

northwoods oldtimer,


The broadcast didn't come right out and say it, but to anyone listening things sounded fishy.

Explain "fishy".

[elliott70]

northwoods oldtimer,


The broadcast didn't come right out and say it, but to anyone listening things sounded fishy.

Explain "fishy".

You know, like the slime in your hands after unhooking that 12 pound northern.

For everyone, I am talking to teh crew that worked that game.
It will not change the outcome, but will give veryone a better idea of what was seen and why the call was made.
And, hopefully, if it was a mistake the ref will learn from it and the Park team can be offered an apology.

But, I can gurantee you that it was not something 'fishy'.

And I know the Park coaches and they will let me know their opinions.

[northwoods oldtimer]

I agree with you it was a questionable call and resulted in 1 goal. There are questionable calls all the time in hockey, just ask a hockey fan, it happens all of the time whether you are in Rochester or Roseau, Elk River or Erskine, it stinks. You could even ask a Moorhead Spud fan, they would probably state the same. Explain the other 4 goals that ended up in the back of Mpls-Park net and than we can chat more about the game and how the team was taken out of the running on one penalty shot.

[hockeyma]

Bemidji 5 Highland 0

[Hoops]

Wayzata beats AV 3-2. Too bad this was the 1st rounder..

[hockeyman84]

Well look at it this way the mpls/park team has been told all year they wernt good enough to beat the top teams
and finally they play a great game against a great team and that call was made. It completly deflated them and invigorated east. I think the hardest thing for them to swallow was they had that game and they feel it was taken from them by the ref. It's sad to see an entire youth hockey career culminating at the bantam a state tournament and to be eliminated on a terrible call like that.

[Fire and Ice]

Elliott while I agree with most of what you say on this board, I don't think this is the forum for a Minnesota Hockey official to discuss the decision made by the referees in a State Tournament game no less.

The referees owe no one an apology they made a call and that is that. Referees make bad calls and we live with them, they make good calls and we live with them.

[elliott70]

Elliott while I agree with most of what you say on this board, I don't think this is the forum for a Minnesota Hockey official to discuss the decision made by the referees in a State Tournament game no less.

The referees owe no one an apology they made a call and that is that. Referees make bad calls and we live with them, they make good calls and we live with them.

Perhaps I should rephrase this.
All refs get some sort of review after their games at state.
It is not because of this one call. But of course, this was the biggest call of the game (based on what I my information - not what has been said).

And knowing the ref that made the call, if he felt he made a mistake he would apologize. He is a stand-up guy and a good ref.

But as you state refs make good and bad calls and none calls.
But at this level and a majority of games in D16, the refs do a review of the game afterwards.

And with some people on here claiming it may be a 'fishy' call, I feel it is my place to squelch such a rumor and let people know that refs do respond to a level above them.

D16 RIC Dan Dow is at all the games and does report to me.

So the refs are responsible and they are not involved in any conspiracy, as a group or individually.

So as a MNHockey official I beliee I should be available, here and elsewhere, to respond to complaints about MH and D16.

But if you misread it (or more likely I misstated it) then I need to clarify it.

But thanks for your response because I and other MH people need to be held to a degree of responsibility and that should come from membership.

[Duluth East Hockey Fan]

Unfortunately the Duluth East, Mpls-Park game was decided by a bad ref making a bad call. I don't know how many penalty shots anyone has seen this year after seeing their players pulled down on breakaways but this ref decides to call a penalty shot with 8 minutes left and Mpls Park leading 2-1. I've seen 15-20 players pulled down from behind this year and never a penalty shot. Not one. All year. State Tourney and this ref decides to make a call I doubt he's made all season.

Frankly there wasn't even a penalty but if there was a call to be made maybe a hook and a power play. Penalty shot? Very bad reffing. No other way to look at it.

Congrats to Duluth East but they can't feel real good about this one.

I'm sure everyone will agree, bad call by a bad team of officials.

If there was "maybe a hook", than you answered the question of if there should be a penalty shot or not all on your own. The fact is, the player had a breakaway from the redline in, he had control of the puck and the hook caused the player to lose the puck and a scoring chance. IMO that call met every criteria for a penalty shot. I only wonder if people are just upset because one of the abscure rules of hockey had to be used in such a high level event. MPLS Park played a great game, they did a nice job frustrating the Hounds, but there is no question in MY mind that the ref made the right call.

I heard in the B1 tournament the MPLS Park team received a penalty shot against DE with about a 1:30 to go...I wonder if the Park fans were ok with that one?

[Tenoverpar]

Everyone who has been around this game knows you CANNOT lie all of your eggs in one call by a referee. The contingent of posters who seem to be so insistent that this one call at this moment cost YOU the game is pathetic. Momentum is sports is HUGE. Yes, the game's MO shifted after the penalty shot goal. Your team failed to respond to the momentum change, that's why you lost. It wasn't the call, it was the 17 kids from Duluth wanted it more than your 17 in the end. They ran off 4 in a row, not just 1, 4. That's not the result of a bad call, it's the result of being outworked down the stretch by a better team of players at that moment.

MPLS Park, you made it to states, you had a perennial top 3 team all year on its heels for 2 1/2 periods, you guys won some great games this year and are becoming a very solid program...don't become whiners with losses, stand proud and let others say "here come Mpls Park, man they are a good hockey team", instead of "here comes Mpls Park, wait till you hear their idiotic one sided never played hockey parents".

[philip18]

You all seem to be focusing on the player being taken down. However I heard from a MP father that maybe the call was made because the MP player covered the puck in the crease?

Also the tournament is being run very well. I apologize for being critical that not all games are at the Little Ralph. The Huck is great. My son said last night it was one of the best rinks he has played in. We are enjoying the town and the people are very nice.

[Hoops]

Wayzata beats AV 3-2. Too bad this was the 1st rounder..

This game decided the state tourney...a rematch of the pee wee A title 2yrs ago..Wayzata was probably favored by 5...and no comments. All the comments are on the refs from a previous game? This game here had the wow factor. By the way, the refs f up 50% of the games. They like to make calls to be seen..they by nature are control freaks like cops.