USA National Developement Camp

eat_sleep_hockey · Post by **eat_sleep_hockey** » Mon Mar 09, 2009 9:17 pm

does anyone know of kids that are trying out for the USA team for 93 birth year from minnesota?

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:47 am

eat_sleep_hockey wrote:does anyone know of kids that are trying out for the USA team for 93 birth year from minnesota?

Yes

F - Travis Boyd - Hopkins
F - Seth Ambroz - formerly of New Prague
F - Max Everson - Edina
F - Dan Carlson - Maple Grove
D - Matt VanVoorhis - Edina
D - Dan Molenaar - Eden Prarie
G - Matt McNeely - St. Thomas

eat_sleep_hockey · Post by **eat_sleep_hockey** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:04 pm

okay.... who are they?

winter15 · Post by **winter15** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:13 pm

F Travis Boyd-Hopkins
F Seth Ambroz-formerly of New Prague
F Max Everson-Edina
F Dan Carlson-Maple Grove
D Matt VanVooris-Edina
D Dan Molenaar-Eden Praire
G Matt Mcneely-St Thomas

eat_sleep_hockey · Post by **eat_sleep_hockey** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:38 pm

winter15 wrote:F Travis Boyd-Hopkins
F Seth Ambroz-formerly of New Prague
F Max Everson-Edina
F Dan Carlson-Maple Grove
D Matt VanVooris-Edina
D Dan Molenaar-Eden Praire
G Matt Mcneely-St Thomas

Im preaty sure Everson is a defenseman. thats what he played all year

winter15 · Post by **winter15** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:44 pm

Everson does play D, that was a mistake

houndhack116 · Post by **houndhack116** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 10:09 pm

D Andy Welinski-Duluth East

EHSHack · Post by **EHSHack** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:02 am

Way to steal my name houndhack. Wait a minute Everson is a sophmore!? I figured he was a senior!

spartanfan2121 · Post by **spartanfan2121** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:03 am

EHSHack wrote:Way to steal my name houndhack. Wait a minute Everson is a sophmore!? I figured he was a senior!

Marshall is a senior. Max is the sophmore

Iceburg · Post by **Iceburg** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:21 pm

Camp is March 26-29 in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

Goalies
Matt McNeely (Burnsville, MN/St. Thomas Academy)
John Gibson (Pittsburgh, PA/Pittsburgh Hornets Midgets)
Matt Mahalak (Monroe, MI/Culver Academy)
Garrett Sparks (Elmhurst, IL/Team Illinois Midgets)
Daniel Liesman (Okemos, MI/Capital Center Midgets)
Kevin Ventroso (Franklin, MA/Bridgewater Bandits Junior "B")

Defense
J.D. Cotroneo (Woodbury, MN/Hill-Murray)
Matt Van Voorhis (Edina, MN/Edina)
Dan Molenaar (Eden Prairie, MN/Eden Prairie)
Andy Welinski (Duluth, MN/Duluth East)
Collin Sullivan (Milford, CT/Fairfield Prep)
Joakim Ryan (Rumson, NJ/New Jersey Midgets)
Robbie Russo (Westmont, IL/Chicago Mission Midgets)
Jacob McDonald(Brighton, MI/Compuware Midgets)
Colin Suellentrop (Plantation, FL/Compuware Midgets)
Andy Ryan (Brighton, MI/Victory Honda Midgets)
Keegan Lowe (Edmonton, AB/Shattuck) on the U-16 team
Alexx Privitera (Old Tappan, NJ/New Jersey Avalanche Midgets)
Jake Worrad (London, ON/Elgin-Middlesex Midgets)
Alex Lepkowski (West Seneca, NY/St. Francis H.S.)
Michael Paliotta (Westport, CT/Choate Rosemary Hall)
Barrett Kaib (Upper St. Clair, PA/Culver Academy)

Forwards
Max Birkinbine (White Bear Lake, MN/White Bear Lake)
Christian Horn (Plymouth, MN/Benilde)
Michael Sit (Edina, MN/Edina)
Travis Boyd (Hopkins, MN/Hopkins)
Thomas Schutt (Chanhassen, MN/Minnetonka)
Dan Carlson (Corcoran, MN/Maple Grove)
Alex Gacek (Dracut, MA/Governor's Academy)
Kevin Irwin (Hinckley, OH/Cleveland Brons Midgets)
Cole Bardreau (Fairport, NY/Rochester Midgets)
Corbin McGuire (Ridgefield, CT/Taft School)
Ryan Haggerty (Stamford, CT/Trinity Catholic)
Rocco Grimaldi (Rossmor, CA/Little Caesars Midgets)
Tanner Sorenson (Anchorage, AK/Shattuck) on the U-16 team
J.C. Campagna (Dublin, OH/Ohio Jr. Blue Jackets Midgets)
Zac Larazza (Scottsdale, AZ/P.F. Changs Midgets)
Adam Reid (China Hills, CA/L.A. Selects Midgets)
Tyler Biggs (Loveland, OH/Toronto Jr. Canadiens Midgets)
Jack Barre (Fairfield, CT/Salisbury School)
Cason Hohmann (Arlington, TX/Compuware Midgets)
Dan Elser (Hopewell Jct., NY/Shattuck) on the U-16 team
Vince Trocheck (Bingham Hills MI/Little Caesars Midgets)
Blake Pietila (Milford, MI/Compuware Midgets)
Reid Boucher (Grand Lodge, MI/Lansing Capitals Midgets)
J.T. Miller (Epalestine, OH/Pittsburgh Hornets Midgets)

scoreboard33 · Post by **scoreboard33** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:13 pm

Van Voorhis and Boyd have spots already and are both deciding about whether to go or not.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:37 pm

For the parents and kids thinking about the perceived greener pastures of NTDP or Jr. Hockey, take a read:

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ ... /index.htm

Scouts spend a lot of time watching the Elite League and high school games.
If you are talented, they will find you and watch

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:43 pm

Interesting, of the five Edina boys that made the pledge three will move on to play D1 college hockey:

Zach Budish = Minnesota
Marshall Everson = Harvard
Brendan Baker = Holy Cross

Throw in Lee who came back to Edina = Notre Dame

Not a bad run

TrojanMan1 · Post by **TrojanMan1** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:50 pm

Yes they do, but a program like this forces you to get stronger through an intense training program they run. You also become a better player by playing bigger, older, faster kids in the USHL. It is the fasted way to go right from high school to college. The way I see it is yes you can stay in high school and play with your friends and have the most fun of your hockey life, but to move onyou have to work extremely hard to get stronger and make the jump to the next level. Even then your usually required a year atleast of juniors. Exceptions are kids like Leddy or Ness who work incredibly hard over the summer and season to be able to jump up and make the transition.

Husky88 · Post by **Husky88** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:35 pm

Do they fill the complete U17 team from this list or are there some spots left open (and filled at a later date)?

Iceburg · Post by **Iceburg** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 pm

Husky88 wrote:Do they fill the complete U17 team from this list or are there some spots left open (and filled at a later date)?

There are usually a couple of spots on the final team that get filled by players other than the ones from the camp.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:26 am

TrojanMan1 wrote:Yes they do, but a program like this forces you to get stronger through an intense training program they run. You also become a better player by playing bigger, older, faster kids in the USHL.

While I agree with this, I still don't see why the kids wouldn't just join a USHL team instead. I know there's advantages to the NTDP, but IMO, there are more advantages with just the USHL.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:22 am

TrojanMan1 wrote:Yes they do, but a program like this forces you to get stronger through an intense training program they run. You also become a better player by playing bigger, older, faster kids in the USHL. It is the fasted way to go right from high school to college. The way I see it is yes you can stay in high school and play with your friends and have the most fun of your hockey life, but to move onyou have to work extremely hard to get stronger and make the jump to the next level. Even then your usually required a year atleast of juniors. Exceptions are kids like Leddy or Ness who work incredibly hard over the summer and season to be able to jump up and make the transition.

What stops other kids from doing the same and sticking it out with their home town team?

Plenty of great hockey and training opportunities out there.

Don't know if a kid can get much stronger than Budish, Lee or Everson. Have you seen Baker? The kid may be short, but he is thick.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 11:46 am

breakout wrote:For the parents and kids thinking about the perceived greener pastures of NTDP or Jr. Hockey, take a read:

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/ ... /index.htm

Scouts spend a lot of time watching the Elite League and high school games.
If you are talented, they will find you and watch

Fun read. Thanks for the link.

nickel slots · Post by **nickel slots** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:02 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
TrojanMan1 wrote:Yes they do, but a program like this forces you to get stronger through an intense training program they run. You also become a better player by playing bigger, older, faster kids in the USHL.
While I agree with this, I still don't see why the kids wouldn't just join a USHL team instead. I know there's advantages to the NTDP, but IMO, there are more advantages with just the USHL.

I think there are lots of reasons kids don't just jump into the USHL... for one, even if they're okay with being away from home, the NTDP is a safe place where they'll be teammates with kids their age that are going through the same thing. If a 15 or 16 year old goes to the USHL, there is a whole different world that the kids are exposed to. Some kids can probably handle it, most probably can't.

At NTDP, the kids train like crazy so they can play with the older, stronger competition. In the USHL, of course they still train, but the guys that they are training with are already the older, stronger competition. Again, some can handle it, most probably can't. I think a kid like Seth Ambroz is the exception... but he's 6'3" 200lbs... which is a big difference from a 15 year old that is maybe 150lbs soaking wet and still a growth spurt or two from their full size.

I also believe that the USHL is designed to develop kids that are at a post high school or post midget age... leave it for those kids so they have a chance to continue their development. For every 15 or 16 year old that gets a shot in the USHL, there is a 19 or 20 year old - that is fighting for his hockey life - that gets aced out. What's the rush kids? If you're good enough at 15 or 16 to even play in the USHL, you're not going to disappear from anybody's radar.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:42 pm

nickel slots wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:
TrojanMan1 wrote:Yes they do, but a program like this forces you to get stronger through an intense training program they run. You also become a better player by playing bigger, older, faster kids in the USHL.
While I agree with this, I still don't see why the kids wouldn't just join a USHL team instead. I know there's advantages to the NTDP, but IMO, there are more advantages with just the USHL.
I think there are lots of reasons kids don't just jump into the USHL... for one, even if they're okay with being away from home, the NTDP is a safe place where they'll be teammates with kids their age that are going through the same thing. If a 15 or 16 year old goes to the USHL, there is a whole different world that the kids are exposed to. Some kids can probably handle it, most probably can't.

At NTDP, the kids train like crazy so they can play with the older, stronger competition. In the USHL, of course they still train, but the guys that they are training with are already the older, stronger competition. Again, some can handle it, most probably can't. I think a kid like Seth Ambroz is the exception... but he's 6'3" 200lbs... which is a big difference from a 15 year old that is maybe 150lbs soaking wet and still a growth spurt or two from their full size.

I also believe that the USHL is designed to develop kids that are at a post high school or post midget age... leave it for those kids so they have a chance to continue their development. For every 15 or 16 year old that gets a shot in the USHL, there is a 19 or 20 year old - that is fighting for his hockey life - that gets aced out. What's the rush kids? If you're good enough at 15 or 16 to even play in the USHL, you're not going to disappear from anybody's radar.

I would not even think about sending my kid away unless he was physically mature.

NTDP does psychological testing to see if kids can handle the move from home.

Additionally, I find it interesting that NTDP kids have a mixed bag of success when they get to D1. There are not that many Ryan Stoa, Jordan Schroeder types that come out of there. Many are not as good as kids that went other routes. That raises the question; does NTDP get the best hockey players in the USA? Answer: SOME Do they develop their players into the best hockey players? Answer: SOME

Doubt it, look at the ISS (International Scouting Services) rankings. How many NTDP kids are highly rated?

TrojanMan1 · Post by **TrojanMan1** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 1:36 pm

Don't know if a kid can get much stronger than Budish, Lee or Everson. Have you seen Baker? The kid may be short, but he is thick.

These kids fall under the category as exceptions. Baker is going straight to Holy Cross, and I think Marshall is heading to Harvard right away too. Budish would have gone right to the Gophers, but had an unfortunate injury. Lee I believe is going one year of juniors before heading out to Notre Dame. I believe he could have gone right to college though. These are all guys who worked hard and stuck with a weight lifting program.

What stops other kids from doing the same and sticking it out with their home town team?

High School kids usually start a weight training program and don't stick with it. If the kid sticks with it and does it consistently then more power to him. The NTDP forces kids to stick with a weight program and truly push them to do their best.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:59 pm

TrojanMan1 wrote:
Don't know if a kid can get much stronger than Budish, Lee or Everson. Have you seen Baker? The kid may be short, but he is thick.

These kids fall under the category as exceptions. Baker is going straight to Holy Cross, and I think Marshall is heading to Harvard right away too. Budish would have gone right to the Gophers, but had an unfortunate injury. Lee I believe is going one year of juniors before heading out to Notre Dame. I believe he could have gone right to college though. These are all guys who worked hard and stuck with a weight lifting program.
What stops other kids from doing the same and sticking it out with their home town team?
High School kids usually start a weight training program and don't stick with it. If the kid sticks with it and does it consistently then more power to him. The NTDP forces kids to stick with a weight program and truly push them to do their best.

I think they call that motivation.

Nonamer · Post by **Nonamer** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:20 pm

Scoreboard33, if Boyd and Van Voorhis already have spots, why are they trying out? Costs USA Hockey a ton of money to fly these kids in - can't believe they'd do it twice, if players already had roster spots.

Explain?

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:22 am

Nonamer wrote:Scoreboard33, if Boyd and Van Voorhis already have spots, why are they trying out? Costs USA Hockey a ton of money to fly these kids in - can't believe they'd do it twice, if players already had roster spots.

Explain?

I doubt their spots are guaranteed.

I have seen Van Voorhis play, he is a run around D. Not sure he is Ann Arbor type.

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