Section 7AA
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Conehead, I again question your wisdom. While nobody can argue GR has a stronger schedule, the comment about Dulut and PHM having a schedule "built for wins" is a bit misguided.
GR plays:
WBL, Roseville, Duluth (2),Blaine (2), Cloquet (2), Benilde, Bemidji (2), HM, Hopkins (2), Irondale, Edina, PHM, Breck. That is 18 solid to high end teams.
Duluth:
GR (2), Cloquet (2), Silver Bay, HM, Irondale, Hopkins, Eastview, Warroad, PHM. Wayzata. That is 12 solid to high end teams.
PHM:
Irondale, Wayzata, NSP, Cloquet (2), Burnsville, Minnetonka, Warroad, Silver Bay, GR, Hopkins, Duluth, EP. That is 13 solid or better teams.
Pretty clear that although not as tough as GR, both Duluth and PHM are no as you would dsecribe them.
GR plays:
WBL, Roseville, Duluth (2),Blaine (2), Cloquet (2), Benilde, Bemidji (2), HM, Hopkins (2), Irondale, Edina, PHM, Breck. That is 18 solid to high end teams.
Duluth:
GR (2), Cloquet (2), Silver Bay, HM, Irondale, Hopkins, Eastview, Warroad, PHM. Wayzata. That is 12 solid to high end teams.
PHM:
Irondale, Wayzata, NSP, Cloquet (2), Burnsville, Minnetonka, Warroad, Silver Bay, GR, Hopkins, Duluth, EP. That is 13 solid or better teams.
Pretty clear that although not as tough as GR, both Duluth and PHM are no as you would dsecribe them.
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Joethehockeydad
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Without ANY doubts GRG plays a significantly more difficult schedule. Laker9 is digging way too deep to find solid teams. Wayzata, Eden Prairie, Burnsville, and NSP are NOT "solid to high end teams" they are average to OK teams. Duluth's SOS ranking is 40th and PHM is 42 which isn't anywhere near GRG's 9th. Apples and oranges.
laker9 wrote:Conehead, I again question your wisdom. While nobody can argue GR has a stronger schedule, the comment about Dulut and PHM having a schedule "built for wins" is a bit misguided.
GR plays:
WBL, Roseville, Duluth (2),Blaine (2), Cloquet (2), Benilde, Bemidji (2), HM, Hopkins (2), Irondale, Edina, PHM, Breck. That is 18 solid to high end teams.
Duluth:
GR (2), Cloquet (2), Silver Bay, HM, Irondale, Hopkins, Eastview, Warroad, PHM. Wayzata. That is 12 solid to high end teams.
PHM:
Irondale, Wayzata, NSP, Cloquet (2), Burnsville, Minnetonka, Warroad, Silver Bay, GR, Hopkins, Duluth, EP. That is 13 solid or better teams.
Pretty clear that although not as tough as GR, both Duluth and PHM are no as you would dsecribe them.
Joe, I agreed that those two teams schedules did not meet that of GR. My point was a schedule with Warroad, Hopkins, Minnetonka, GR, Duluth, Cloquet twice, Irondale, and Silver Bay all clearly being high end teams, and several others that are decent in the mix, his comment was misguided somewhat. Burnsville in my opinion is solid. They lost a 1 goal came to Roseville which may be the best team in the state. NSP beat white bear. They are both very competitive and can beat you if you are not on top of your game.
The other point I could make is GR has a strong history and can get anyone to play them. Duluth and PHM are still working on that. Its not fair to say one team plays all those good teams and the other 2 avoid them. Do you think when the schedules came tou 2 yrs ago that anyone could have known Wayzata and EP would be down this year?
The other point I could make is GR has a strong history and can get anyone to play them. Duluth and PHM are still working on that. Its not fair to say one team plays all those good teams and the other 2 avoid them. Do you think when the schedules came tou 2 yrs ago that anyone could have known Wayzata and EP would be down this year?
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Hansonbrother
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Yes, especially EP after the recruiting game was put to an end. Everyone called that they would struggle. Wayzata is still a sound club, they just don't have any real threats, but a bunch of solid players.laker9 wrote:Joe, I agreed that those two teams schedules did not meet that of GR. My point was a schedule with Warroad, Hopkins, Minnetonka, GR, Duluth, Cloquet twice, Irondale, and Silver Bay all clearly being high end teams, and several others that are decent in the mix, his comment was misguided somewhat. Burnsville in my opinion is solid. They lost a 1 goal came to Roseville which may be the best team in the state. NSP beat white bear. They are both very competitive and can beat you if you are not on top of your game.
The other point I could make is GR has a strong history and can get anyone to play them. Duluth and PHM are still working on that. Its not fair to say one team plays all those good teams and the other 2 avoid them. Do you think when the schedules came tou 2 yrs ago that anyone could have known Wayzata and EP would be down this year?
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northhockey
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Which goalie for Duluth
An even better question - who played goalie for Duluth in the Warroad win? Turner or Bellamy... Duluth has a tough decision coming up...
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Game Misconduct
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If we (CEC) can get past Rapids (after Forest Lake tomorrow night) the confidence from the OT win against Duluth will be huge. That said, Duluth still has to get past Weiss and Gilbert so we'll see what happens come Saturday.Game Misconduct wrote:Funny how the 7AA poll came out identical to the actual seedings.
Cloquet vs Duluth in Final
Duluth wins
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CEC 4 Forest Lake 2...
Courtney Esse with a hat-trick for Cloquet. Audrey Hanmer probably played 35-40 minutes of the 51 minute game... I believe she was on the ice the entire first 5 minutes of the third period. She had a ton of shot attempts but also a lot of turnovers as the Cloquet defense poked the puck from her a lot. She did finally score with a few minutes left in the game.
CEC goaltender Sarah Gustafson could probably tie with Esse for first star, stopping a ton of shots in the second period and controlling rebounds really well.
Courtney Esse with a hat-trick for Cloquet. Audrey Hanmer probably played 35-40 minutes of the 51 minute game... I believe she was on the ice the entire first 5 minutes of the third period. She had a ton of shot attempts but also a lot of turnovers as the Cloquet defense poked the puck from her a lot. She did finally score with a few minutes left in the game.
CEC goaltender Sarah Gustafson could probably tie with Esse for first star, stopping a ton of shots in the second period and controlling rebounds really well.
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Joethehockeydad
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It was a great day of hockey...
CEC had to start backup goaltender Nicole Lund, after starter Sarah Gustafson got knocked into by accident during warmups and took a nasty fall backwards.. she did stay on the bench and man the door though. Lund played great to get the win, and Cloquet had players step up who aren't always as heavily relied on for scoring. They'll still have a real big test with PHM, in what some of us are calling a revenge game after the 7-2 PHM win the week before playoffs.
PHM won on lucky bounces late in the third period... One goal was from a shot across the crease from the wall and extended goal line, that Duluth goaltender Paige Turner (her turn in their rotation so Bellamy didn't play in her final high school game, but I won't get into my thoughts on that right now), and the game winning goal was shot from BEHIND the net, and somehow went off Turner and into the net..
A few people who were on the other side mentioned tonight that it may have went under the net first from behind when Turner bumped the net but I didn't see that part, just that the puck hit her in the back and scored.
The referees in both games definitely let the players play.. allowing a lot of contact throughout the games.
CEC had to start backup goaltender Nicole Lund, after starter Sarah Gustafson got knocked into by accident during warmups and took a nasty fall backwards.. she did stay on the bench and man the door though. Lund played great to get the win, and Cloquet had players step up who aren't always as heavily relied on for scoring. They'll still have a real big test with PHM, in what some of us are calling a revenge game after the 7-2 PHM win the week before playoffs.
PHM won on lucky bounces late in the third period... One goal was from a shot across the crease from the wall and extended goal line, that Duluth goaltender Paige Turner (her turn in their rotation so Bellamy didn't play in her final high school game, but I won't get into my thoughts on that right now), and the game winning goal was shot from BEHIND the net, and somehow went off Turner and into the net..
A few people who were on the other side mentioned tonight that it may have went under the net first from behind when Turner bumped the net but I didn't see that part, just that the puck hit her in the back and scored.
The referees in both games definitely let the players play.. allowing a lot of contact throughout the games.
Shots and quality scoring chances are totally different things. Duluth's 2 goals might not be considered quality scoring chances had they not went in, but they did. Duluth carried the second half of the game as far as I was concerned. They held PHM to 6 shots in the third period and PHM's three top players taking penalties didn't help their cause but the bounces went their way and they won.laker9 wrote:DHMN. Shots were 28-19 PHM. Duluth had 5 PP to 1 for PHM. Did you see Duluths second and third goals? Rather soft wrist shots from the top of the circle into the corner of the net. Yes, the last 2 PHM goals were lucky. However, as evidenced by 2 game shot totals of 63-34, the better team won.
I might be giving Duluth's team too much credit, and they did get the powerplay at the end of the game with a chance to even the score but didn't.
Anyway, on to the section final Thursday.
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Joethehockeydad
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Except that they split in two games. It's better to win the second though. 
It seems that the PHM fans are coming out of the woodwork now, but I have to say IMO there is no question that this is a big upset. Hopkins played both teams: losing to Duluth 2-1 and beating PHM 7-3. Also, I might point out, EVERY ranking (QRF, Krach and LPH) all rank Duluth ahead of PHM, so call it what you want, but BIG upset according to many sources.
It seems that the PHM fans are coming out of the woodwork now, but I have to say IMO there is no question that this is a big upset. Hopkins played both teams: losing to Duluth 2-1 and beating PHM 7-3. Also, I might point out, EVERY ranking (QRF, Krach and LPH) all rank Duluth ahead of PHM, so call it what you want, but BIG upset according to many sources.laker9 wrote:DHMN. Shots were 28-19 PHM. Duluth had 5 PP to 1 for PHM. Did you see Duluths second and third goals? Rather soft wrist shots from the top of the circle into the corner of the net. Yes, the last 2 PHM goals were lucky. However, as evidenced by 2 game shot totals of 63-34, the better team won.
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Not sure how you can say Duluth carried the play for the game's second half when they blew a 3-1 lead during said time frame.DHMN wrote:Shots and quality scoring chances are totally different things. Duluth's 2 goals might not be considered quality scoring chances had they not went in, but they did. Duluth carried the second half of the game as far as I was concerned. They held PHM to 6 shots in the third period and PHM's three top players taking penalties didn't help their cause but the bounces went their way and they won.laker9 wrote:DHMN. Shots were 28-19 PHM. Duluth had 5 PP to 1 for PHM. Did you see Duluths second and third goals? Rather soft wrist shots from the top of the circle into the corner of the net. Yes, the last 2 PHM goals were lucky. However, as evidenced by 2 game shot totals of 63-34, the better team won.
I might be giving Duluth's team too much credit, and they did get the powerplay at the end of the game with a chance to even the score but didn't.
Anyway, on to the section final Thursday.
Joe, you seem to be knowledgeable enough to understand that seeing teams one time is not a great gauge of how good they are in most instances. Since you beat PHM and Duluth beat you I understand your point of view. I know most of the coaches for the better section 7 teams. I can assure you that they all, and I mean all, think PHM has a better team than Duluth. I also think they all know Duluth has a better goalie.
That being said, we (PHM fans) are coming out of the woodwork know. Maybe because we have more to do than sit at a computer 24 hrs a day and blog on a girls hockey website.
That being said, we (PHM fans) are coming out of the woodwork know. Maybe because we have more to do than sit at a computer 24 hrs a day and blog on a girls hockey website.
laker9 wrote:Joe, you seem to be knowledgeable enough to understand that seeing teams one time is not a great gauge of how good they are in most instances. Since you beat PHM and Duluth beat you I understand your point of view. I know most of the coaches for the better section 7 teams. I can assure you that they all, and I mean all, think PHM has a better team than Duluth. I also think they all know Duluth has a better goalie.
That being said, we (PHM fans) are coming out of the woodwork know. Maybe because we have more to do than sit at a computer 24 hrs a day and blog on a girls hockey website.
Just a bit harsh wouldn't you say? All of these posts are just opinions. The PHM girls have a very nice team and a good bunch of coaches. I think around the state they get a lot of respect form hockey people. To me they are a lot like GRG. They have a ton of talented players and on paper look to be on of the top teams in the state. Downey, Weis, Gilbert, Buchite, and Stauber, all those girls present real problems for teams. But for some reason they tend to leave teams hanging around (except for CEC last time). maybe that's becasue their goaltending has been a bit inconsistent. Anyhow, good luck to them!