New PS2 Rankings

Sin_Bin_526 · Post by **Sin_Bin_526** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:24 pm

Any thoughts? Teams that should be on there, or teams that should be higher or lower.

hshckfan08 · Post by **hshckfan08** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:41 pm

This is only the first one of the year, so it's not going to be very accurate at least compared to polls. The computer generated rankings really arent very accurate until the teams have about 10 games under their belt in my opinion.

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:48 pm

where can i find them?

hockeyjunkie2 · Post by **hockeyjunkie2** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:49 pm

komada77 wrote:where can i find them?

Front page

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:52 pm

hockeyjunkie2 wrote:
komada77 wrote:where can i find them?
Front page

what?

SEChockeyfan08 · Post by **SEChockeyfan08** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:56 pm

komada77 wrote:
hockeyjunkie2 wrote:
komada77 wrote:where can i find them?
Front page
what?

http://www.minnhock.com/

on the right

mnhockey30 · Post by **mnhockey30** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:06 pm

Don't see why Hill is not rated higher than Edina they did beat them

stmartin123 · Post by **stmartin123** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:16 pm

mnhockey30 wrote:Don't see why Hill is not rated higher than Edina they did beat them

Yeah, i agree with ya on that one. As of right now i think hill is the best team in state.

King of the Pond · Post by **King of the Pond** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:11 pm

Yea im pretty sure until you get a few games into the season it takes into account last years performance.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:50 pm

Not that difficult of a concept right now guys. Hill is 4-0 right now with wins against B-ville, Edina, Sibley and S St Paul. Edina is 4-1 with wins against Buffalo, B-ville, Wayzata and Woodbury. Edina has 4 much higher quality losses and their only loss is to a team as good as Hill Murray, which helps a lot.
Same with why Blaine is so high. No losses and all against pretty good AA teams. A little surprised St Thomas is still up there with who they've played so far.
Also surprised Tonka fell so far ending last year at #4 with a 4-1 record, but that has to do with who they've played thus far as well.

Even through the end of the season they are computer rankings. They take nothing into account except for who you play and how you do (in a nut shell).

HSHockeyFan08 · Post by **HSHockeyFan08** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:53 pm

If your to lazy to click on the link here are the top 15:

1. Edina
2. Blaine
3. Hill-Murray
4. Centennial
5. Bloom. Jefferson
6. Roseau
7. Maple Grove
8. Duluth East
9. Eden Prairie
10. Woodbury
11. Moorhead
12. Benilde-St. Margaret's
13. Wayzata
14. Minnetonka
15. Holy Angels

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:14 pm

1. Edina - top 4
2. Blaine - agreed
3. Hill-Murray - should be #1
4. Centennial - agreed
5. Bloom. Jefferson - agreed
6. Roseau - no way
7. Maple Grove - agreed
8. Duluth East - put'em at 4,5 or 6
9. Eden Prairie - agreed vs edina this week will tell a lot
10. Woodbury - agreed
11. Moorhead - agreed
12. Benilde-St. Margaret's - maybe top 20
13. Wayzata - okay
14. Minnetonka - should be higher
15. Holy Angels - no way who have they played? Culver doesn't matter no comparisions

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:19 pm

Actually these are the top 15:
1. Edina
2. Blaine
3. Hill-Murray
4. St Thomas Academy
5. Centennial
6. Bloom. Jefferson
7. Roseau
8. Maple Grove
9. Duluth East
10. Eden Prairie
11. Woodbury
12. Moorhead
13. Benilde-St. Margaret's
14. Wayzata
15. Minnetonka

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:19 pm

youngblood08, to answer your question, Lee has said in past years that Shattuck somehow has their own PS2 rating. So I'd say that beating Culver Academy should put them quite higher than they are now, but oh well.

KnightTime11 · Post by **KnightTime11** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:33 pm

Guys, the last time I checked, last year's results are still included in the PS2 rankings and won't be phased out until later on in the season. That being said I think the rankings look okay for now. We'll know more tomorrow night, but my incredibly biased opinion is that Moorhead and Roseau should be switched.

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:40 pm

To answer the "Culver" question, if a Minnesota team is the only team to play a given team outside the state, it is the same as if you played an "average" Minnesota team. By "average", I mean a team with a PS2 rating of 15.00, which is the starting point for each team at the start of the season.

For what it's worth, after their two games with Holy Angels, Culver has a rating of 20.84. This would put them at #9 in Minnesota.

Lee

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:42 pm

KnightTime11 wrote:Guys, the last time I checked, last year's results are still included in the PS2 rankings and won't be phased out until later on in the season. That being said I think the rankings look okay for now. We'll know more tomorrow night, but my incredibly biased opinion is that Moorhead and Roseau should be switched.

This is correct. By the end of December, each team's rating will be based solely on what they've done this season. It's a gradual process where last year's rating is phased out and the new year's rating is phased in.

Lee

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:44 pm

I'm in a somewhat jovial mood tonight, my bowling team having clinched the first half title in our league, so the question I have concerns the explanation and FAQ I have linked from the main PS2 page. Question is: What other questions would you like to see included in the FAQ? And "have you ever thought of getting a life?" isn't one of them I'll consider.

Lee

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:59 pm

Question Ideas:
1. How are out of state teams factored in? (like what you said about Culver)
2. At what point is goal differential nullified? (I remember reading that there is a limit to where beating a team too badly matters)
3. How would the rating be effected if instead of using a goal differential a goal multiplier were used? i.e. Hill Murray's 3-1 win over Edina would be beating them by 3x goals, same as 6-2 or 9-3, instead of by 2 goals that same as 10-8. This would also weight shut outs in some way.

Other Question:
-Could you post the ratings of all non-MN teams who have played MN teams?
-Could you add a column with how the team is doing relative to last week?

Thanks Lee

youngblood08 · Post by **youngblood08** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:39 am

my point being, no one else plays Culver so there is no way to compair them. Last time I checked the game was played on the ice not on paper. If that was the case go to Culvers site and read the game notes, they think they should have won both games. They play a weak schedule and I don't think they should be that high. Mattson is a nice player.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:14 am

Wow, way to beat a dead horse. They are in the conference they are in, so be it. Instead of looking at their place only, look at the rating. They ended last year with a 18.90 and are now sitting at a 19.86. Not a huge jump in "one week" which is what it is basically at this point. They beat the #41, #112, escentially #85 team, then played them again when they went up from the win. The computer shows no bias. Chill. Open both last year's final rankings, and this year's first and compare the numbers under the "rating" column. Their number is just compared to other team's ratings.

JV State Champs · Post by **JV State Champs** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:02 pm

Duluth East should be much higher top 3. BSM should also be in the top 10.

TheNightman · Post by **TheNightman** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:50 am

JV State Champs wrote:Duluth East should be much higher top 3. BSM should also be in the top 10.

The same BSM team who got drubbed by Stillwater 6-2? Does that make Stillwater a top five team then?

trum3boarder · Post by **trum3boarder** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:04 pm

centennial needs to be higher for sure

DPA MacManus · Post by **DPA MacManus** » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:03 pm

TheNightman wrote:
JV State Champs wrote:Duluth East should be much higher top 3. BSM should also be in the top 10.
The same BSM team who got drubbed by Stillwater 6-2? Does that make Stillwater a top five team then?

I reserve the right to answer that question until after tonight's Woodbury @ Stillwater game.