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It was posted on the wall after the earlier games today:unbelievable wrote:Has the UMHSEL All Stars roster been posted yet?
In Response to Nicole Anderson’s numbers and the Shakopee information you have listed, I would like to say first off, she is a awesome Kid and a Very good Hockey player and I know for a fact she is a huge contributor to our hockey team, She has scored I believe a total of a total of 10 goals against your elite players last year. 4 against Kelsey Romatoski and 6 against Rosie Alleva. So I guess I do not see what you are talking about when you say they have not faced elite players.Thunderbird77 wrote:Execution Trumps Strategy Wrote:It's from there that it becomes alittle more political. The concerns raised have never questioned the ability of the top 10 players.....they stand out and are recognized by all.....it's about the next 50 or so who apparently got invited because of who they know.
If your player participated in the NDP process but didn't get very far, then you should probably reconsider whether or not your player is deserving. I looked at the stats for the top 3 players that were in bold on the list. Most of the points came against weak teams, in many cases blow-outs where, on some teams, team point leaders would be taken off the ice as to not run up the score.....but that's another post.
Anyway, against top teams, the points scored changes quite a bit.
Austin lost 1 - 12 to Breck. Note that there were players from Breck who scored in that game that are not on the elite rosster.
Farmington lost 0 -5 to Grand Rapids Greenway
Shakopee lost 0 - 6 to Blake, 1 - 5 to Breck, 0 - 3 to Farmington, and two losses to Academy of Holy Angels (2-9), (2-4)
The compeition in the Elite League is much hgher than any of the above mentioned games. Note that those top three scorers, who amassed a total of 108 goals across their season, scored only 2 goals. They were both against AHA, who had a broader range of talent across their team last year.
I agree. Many of some great hockey players play other sports and if you ask any coach they would rather recruit athletes that play more than one sport. And I would also like to add that a point is a point whether by putting the goal in the net or assited.finance_gal wrote:I've been to 2 of these games, the level of play is that of a couple good high school teams, Not much team play, mostly individuals. The girls that are out there are good players no doubt, but apart from the top 5 to 10 players in the league, all the others could be easily replaced and no one could tell the difference in the games, were the right ones chosen? who knows. considering the limited number of girls that wanted to play in the fall leagues maybe they should just combine the two leagues and make tryouts more of a draft for the 8 or 10 coaches...sort of like in mites. It seems this elite label gets tossed around a little to freely and if we were be honest about it most of these players don't deserve to called elite at this point in their hockey lives. as for rating players based on goals scored? Apparently it's the way they chose most of these players and it shows because the truely elite players are so much more rounded.
WOW who's the bitter one? to me it just looks like two good high school teams playing, thats my opinion, there are 5 to 10 girls that were really impressive and stood out, the rest blended into the mix. I'm glad to hear that your daughter works so hard...good for her. as for my daughter she has just kind of layed around the house for the last 10 weeks intead of playing hockey because of a compound fracture..as for being bitter, I call them like I see them and this league is nothing special right now although it has the potential to grow into something very good if it moves in the right directiions but as of today it's not there.Melvin44 wrote:finance_gal/Bitter parents
I've always given you the benefit of doubt. After your comment I'll have to say you don't know what you're talking about. The level of play is well above most high school games. I know you're a Thoroughbred lover and what did they lose to Shattuck's by (10-3)?? And haven't they have been practicing for what (1 month) and have Played how many games??? (13). I think you need to sign your daughter up for another camp. Pick a high school team and let's play the game.
As for parents who bash this league. How about you do all the work, volunteer 100's of hours, Drive all over, and Get sponsors and START YOUR OWN LEAGUE!!!! Because you'd rather let somebody else do all the work and COMPLAIN!.
This league is good for girl’s hockey. It's the first year and there are always road bumps when you start something new. Give it time and GET OVER IT!
MY daughter has missed cuts and not been asked to play on teams and I make her understand that sometimes things don't work out in life and that if she tries harder good things will happen. She then works harder and they usually do.
Sorry about my LOUD words. Geez!
Good point.Melvin44 wrote:finance_gal/Bitter parents
As for parents who bash this league. How about you do all the work, volunteer 100's of hours, Drive all over, and Get sponsors and START YOUR OWN LEAGUE!!!! Because you'd rather let somebody else do all the work and COMPLAIN!.
Sounds sensitive....but I can't argue with your point.Melvin44 wrote:This league is good for girl’s hockey. It's the first year and there are always road bumps when you start something new. Give it time and GET OVER IT!!
Good life lesson!Melvin44 wrote:MY daughter has missed cuts and not been asked to play on teams and I make her understand that sometimes things don't work out in life and that if she tries harder good things will happen. She then works harder and they usually do.
I whole-heartedly agree!Melvin44 wrote:This league is good for girl’s hockey.
I think Edina, Eden Prairie, Grand Rapids, Stillwater, Roseville and other good teams that I saw last year, could play with them. The girls chosen to play in this league are all talented but a group that came in and played as a team, moved the puck around and played a little physical could have easily played in this league. I'm not upset about it at all, notr am I upset with who they chose. It just seems to be overhyped.hockeyheaven wrote:finance_gal, are you serious. Not much better then good high school teams? You may have me at a disadvantage since I didn’t make it to one of these games. That was surly my misfortune. However, I don’t think I needed to witness these games first hand to know that it was probably some incredible hockey. I have been around enough to have seen most of these kids play, and I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly. Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY! This league is about developing skills and identifying potential. The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut. All I can say to those ones is work harder. I agree with Melvin44, you need to get over it….and soon.
Huh?hockeyheaven wrote:I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly.
It sure did if you didn't get a chance!hockeyheaven wrote:Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY!
Excuse me.....that's the POINT! If you (and others) would change that line to say..."The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn't get a chance at this great opportunity!"hockeyheaven wrote:The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut.
Not sure of your source or perspective......The girls from Roseville and Stillwater who were on the East Metro team would big time disagree - they have loved this League and the high level of play - check your sources. I think all the girls who played were a little sorry to see the League end yesterday.finance_gal wrote:I think Edina, Eden Prairie, Grand Rapids, Stillwater, Roseville and other good teams that I saw last year, could play with them. The girls chosen to play in this league are all talented but a group that came in and played as a team, moved the puck around and played a little physical could have easily played in this league. I'm not upset about it at all, notr am I upset with who they chose. It just seems to be overhyped.hockeyheaven wrote:finance_gal, are you serious. Not much better then good high school teams? You may have me at a disadvantage since I didn’t make it to one of these games. That was surly my misfortune. However, I don’t think I needed to witness these games first hand to know that it was probably some incredible hockey. I have been around enough to have seen most of these kids play, and I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly. Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY! This league is about developing skills and identifying potential. The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut. All I can say to those ones is work harder. I agree with Melvin44, you need to get over it….and soon.
I'm sure they are sorry to see it end, It was a great time for them and in all honesty the two games I seen were early in the season. but what I seen was the quick hard passes from SSM coupled with team oriented play totally destroy the high school teams who had trouble putting togeather any sustained pressure. there were some very very good players on the high school teams, some that I would call elite, but the team play of SSM just devestated the high schoolers.joehockey wrote:Not sure of your source or perspective......The girls from Roseville and Stillwater who were on the East Metro team would big time disagree - they have loved this League and the high level of play - check your sources. I think all the girls who played were a little sorry to see the League end yesterday.finance_gal wrote:I think Edina, Eden Prairie, Grand Rapids, Stillwater, Roseville and other good teams that I saw last year, could play with them. The girls chosen to play in this league are all talented but a group that came in and played as a team, moved the puck around and played a little physical could have easily played in this league. I'm not upset about it at all, notr am I upset with who they chose. It just seems to be overhyped.hockeyheaven wrote:finance_gal, are you serious. Not much better then good high school teams? You may have me at a disadvantage since I didn’t make it to one of these games. That was surly my misfortune. However, I don’t think I needed to witness these games first hand to know that it was probably some incredible hockey. I have been around enough to have seen most of these kids play, and I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly. Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY! This league is about developing skills and identifying potential. The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut. All I can say to those ones is work harder. I agree with Melvin44, you need to get over it….and soon.
Great list and group!SportsMa wrote:I was curious where all the girls were from as I was not familiar with all of them and which teams they played on so I added that to the list given the rosters from the website. I did this very quickly so hopefully I did it all correctly. Congrats to the girls!
Goalies
Laura Bellamy-Outstate (Dululth Northern Stars)
Kallie Billadeau-West Metro (Hopkins)
Defense
Rose Alleva-Outstate (Red Wing)
Janessa Haller-Outstate (Anoka)
Christina LaCombe-West Metro (Eden Prairie)
Lisa Martinson-East Metro (St. Louis Park)
Kelsey Romatoski-East Metro (AHA)
Natalie Wedell-East Metro (Moundsview)
Forwards
Hannah Brandt-East Metro (Hill Murray)
Bethany Brausen-East Metro (Roseville)
Corrine Buie-West Metro (Edina)
Kayla Capistrant-East Metro (Roseville)
Jessica Christofferson-Outstate (Bemidji)
Callie Dahl-East Metro (Stillwater)
Cara Johnson-West Metro (Hopkins)
Sally Komarek-West Metro (Blake)
Becky Kortum-West Metro (Hopkins)
Meghan Lorence-West Metro (Irondale)
Alex Nelson-Outstate (Andover)
Ashley Stenerson-Outstate (Moorhead)
Come on how did they not gear a chance? If they are a senior…. and say they played 2-3 years of high school… 25 games a year…that’s 75 games… not to mention 3 years of NDP tryouts…throw in a AAA team (another opportunity to get another 15-20 looks a year)...etc. You’re saying that with all that and they weren’t given any consideration. Again come on. Every kid that lasses them up has been evaluated. First by their mite coach, then by a Selects coach, then high school coaches, then finally a collage scout...get the picture. If you don’t think the organizers of this league followed this process, or used these resources to make their selections then you don’t get it. Why wouldn’t they want the best players? Oh yes…because it’s political…right…hog wash. Most parents accept this reality after squirts. Guess not.Silent But Deadly wrote:Huh?hockeyheaven wrote:I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly.
It sure did if you didn't get a chance!hockeyheaven wrote:Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY!
Excuse me.....that's the POINT! If you (and others) would change that line to say..."The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn't get a chance at this great opportunity!"hockeyheaven wrote:The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut.
Then...some of us might just get over it!
I think this is the big picture and that there were very good players that did not get invited is the point and the only way to really make everybody happy is to truly invite all that should be, not just the ones you are comfortable with.Silent But Deadly wrote:Huh?hockeyheaven wrote:I can tell you that everyone of these players, not only deserved to be there, but that they are the cream of what Minnesota hockey has to offer. Are there others? Heck ya. Did they miss someone? Possibly.
It sure did if you didn't get a chance!hockeyheaven wrote:Have the organizers made errors? With out a doubt. Did it make any difference? NO WAY!
Excuse me.....that's the POINT! If you (and others) would change that line to say..."The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn't get a chance at this great opportunity!"hockeyheaven wrote:The only ones who should be upset are the ones who didn’t take advantage of this great opportunity or the ones who didn’t make the cut.
Then...some of us might just get over it!
What really devastated the high school teams in most games was No. 18, Brianna Decker! She must have scored 60-70% of SSM's goals. Take her out of the lineup and many of the games would have been pretty even, IMO. As it was each of the 3 high school teams had one close game against them, with Outstate losing by 3-5, the West 4-5 and the East tying them 4-4.finance_gal wrote:I'm sure they are sorry to see it end, It was a great time for them and in all honesty the two games I seen were early in the season. but what I seen was the quick hard passes from SSM coupled with team oriented play totally destroy the high school teams who had trouble putting togeather any sustained pressure. there were some very very good players on the high school teams, some that I would call elite, but the team play of SSM just devestated the high schoolers.
I think with Shattuck you still have to stop Kessel, Horn, and Cohen, their being passed off as a one horse team but try shutting down Decker at the blue line, it will work one or two times but the other 3 girls will all step up. Watch SSM on faceoffs sometime, the don't win every face off but I have never see them lose one cleanly, when they do lose one both wings and the center for the other team are tied up so theres not any quick breakaways against them.MNHockeyFan wrote:What really devastated the high school teams in most games was No. 18, Brianna Decker! She must have scored 60-70% of SSM's goals. Take her out of the lineup and many of the games would have been pretty even, IMO. As it was each of the 3 high school teams had one close game against them, with Outstate losing by 3-5, the West 4-5 and the East tying them 4-4.finance_gal wrote:I'm sure they are sorry to see it end, It was a great time for them and in all honesty the two games I seen were early in the season. but what I seen was the quick hard passes from SSM coupled with team oriented play totally destroy the high school teams who had trouble putting togeather any sustained pressure. there were some very very good players on the high school teams, some that I would call elite, but the team play of SSM just devestated the high schoolers.
It was good to see the high school girls go 2-0-1 against their U16 team, which coming into the weekend were undefeated at 12-0.
IMO, chickendance, you and a few others here are slightly out of touch. If a player is that talented in your opinion, to be in the top 60 players in the state, she would be well know by others, including the staff at UMHSEL. Read hockeyheaven's earlier post, IMO it is spot on.chickendance wrote:Having the league start up is a good thing. It's great! Glad it's here! Glad it's here to stay! I am glad the competition was high and fast paced! I agree that it was. It was great hockey! I have been there at the rink to support it.
However, just consider that some of the elites have met some of the kids we think they missed. They met on the ice in the regular season, post season, off season, Two Nations, etc...and not been so successful individually against them. You probably wouldn't know their names because they aren't on the lists and message boards and don't have the right pedigree or HS coach to promote them. I guarantee the elites know who they are and where they play. They usually try to work to the side away from them.
I look forward to the league improving in years to come. I hope the league organizers, who have spent countless volunteer hours, who have secured sponsors, who want the broader girls hockey community to support them, are serious about scouting out the best talent in the future. They will have to add a few players that don't make it through the NDP and on to your list. They claim they will get better at this, I hope they do.
The facts are many were invited to try out and play and turned it down. Hey, here is an idea, try to be a little proactive. There was plenty of time to make a phone call or send a email to inquire about this league. I cannot speak for the league but IMO I do not think the league has much to improve on or has to add any players, as you suggested or made any claims that they will get better at anything or needs the support of the broader hockey community. I think that is the very deffinition of elite.hockeyheaven wrote:Come on how did they not gear a chance? If they are a senior…. and say they played 2-3 years of high school… 25 games a year…that’s 75 games… not to mention 3 years of NDP tryouts…throw in a AAA team (another opportunity to get another 15-20 looks a year)...etc. You’re saying that with all that and they weren’t given any consideration. Again come on. Every kid that lasses them up has been evaluated. First by their mite coach, then by a Selects coach, then high school coaches, then finally a collage scout...get the picture. If you don’t think the organizers of this league followed this process, or used these resources to make their selections then you don’t get it. Why wouldn’t they want the best players? Oh yes…because it’s political…right…hog wash. Most parents accept this reality after squirts. Guess not.
No one ever said Nicole Anderson wasn't a great kid or a very good hockey player. In fact, out of respect for the players and because it was not germaine to the post, no names were mentioned. Please accept my apology if I somehow offended your daughter (or her friend) with the facts reported.She has scored I believe a total of a total of 10 goals against your elite players last year. 4 against Kelsey Romatoski and 6 against Rosie Alleva.