Elite II Rosters

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:42 pm

chiefofmedicine wrote:If a kid makes the final 54 for select 17's should that earn him a spot on elite I's or no?

I think it should earn him a spot in the Elite 1 league.

nickel slots · Post by **nickel slots** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:03 pm

Flyer, I don't have time to dig it up right now, but I remember reading somewhere that before the Elite leagues were created, we were losing somewhere between 40-50 kids per year whom were looking to further their development . Now we're losing ~20. I'd say the league is making an impact.

Does that contradict your theory?

High Flyer · Post by **High Flyer** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:14 pm

nickel slots wrote:Flyer, I don't have time to dig it up right now, but I remember reading somewhere that before the Elite leagues were created, we were losing somewhere between 40-50 kids per year whom were looking to further their development . Now we're losing ~20. I'd say the league is making an impact.

Does that contradict your theory?

Not sure where your getting the number 20 from, care to share? If you take the time to look at those lists I have mentioned, you will see that the numbers we are still losing to further their developement is much closer to that 40-50 mark. So based on that, I think most will agree that the league is not making as big of an impact (in that respect) as they had hoped.

pioneers · Post by **pioneers** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:15 pm

Here is part of an article from Myfoxhockey.com

The league is entering its 5th year, and for all that are involved, it has been a success. "I don't think you can measure its benefit because it has been immeasurable." Benilde St. Margaret's coach Ken Paul said. "It has gone a long way in stemming the tide for numerous kids leaving school early for the USHL." Pauly credits the Elite League with hard numbers "instead of seeing a dozen or fewer kids leaving a year, we would be seeing 20 or 30 kids a year leaving." At one point, 64 kids left high school hockey for various Junior hockey options. According to those close to the Elite League players exits are now in the single digits.

nickel slots · Post by **nickel slots** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:32 pm

High Flyer wrote:
nickel slots wrote:Flyer, I don't have time to dig it up right now, but I remember reading somewhere that before the Elite leagues were created, we were losing somewhere between 40-50 kids per year whom were looking to further their development . Now we're losing ~20. I'd say the league is making an impact.

Does that contradict your theory?
Not sure where your getting the number 20 from, care to share? If you take the time to look at those lists I have mentioned, you will see that the numbers we are still losing to further their developement is much closer to that 40-50 mark. So based on that, I think most will agree that the league is not making as big of an impact (in that respect) as they had hoped.

Sorry High Flyer... didn't get a chance to go back and read every post you've had. Why don't you humor us and put that list on this thread? Then we'll all have all the information we need to determine if, in our opinion, the Elite league is accomplishing it's mission.

My list comes from the 15 that I know of (I listed them) and swag of 5 that I don't know of. Hence the term "~20." I used a tilde (~) instead of typing out the word 'approximately' (in English mathematics a tilde is sometimes used to represent approximation).

I am curious to see your list that would put the number of kids that left high school hockey back up to 40-50. Two that slipped my mind are the Blaisdell kid that went to Madison and the Kirby kid that went to Russell Stover.

oldguy39 · Post by **oldguy39** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:34 pm

If the quality of hockey is not up to your standards, dont watch.We live in the STATE OF HOCKEY.The depth of quality hockey players is unbelievable.This great country of ours allows us to have the freedom to make choices to do what we feel is best for us.I love hockey and theyres no better place on earth to watch the game.Sit back, grab some popcorn and just watch.These kids at elite and eliteii are all very good players.

GR3343 · Post by **GR3343** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:13 am

oldguy39 wrote:If the quality of hockey is not up to your standards, dont watch.We live in the STATE OF HOCKEY.The depth of quality hockey players is unbelievable.This great country of ours allows us to have the freedom to make choices to do what we feel is best for us.I love hockey and theyres no better place on earth to watch the game.Sit back, grab some popcorn and just watch.These kids at elite and eliteii are all very good players.

Well said

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 11:57 am

The Elite II season is about half over and the stats have been recently updated. Here is a look at the top ten scorers so far:

Leader 15 points -
#22 Seth Barnes 6A/6AA

2 tied at 2nd 11 points -
#14 Alex Racino Team Wisconsin U-16
#15 Adam Smyth 2A/2AA

7 tied at 4th - 9 points -
#21 Jason Johnson 7A/7AA
# 7 Julius Tamasey 7A/7AA
#11 Mitchell Rogge 6A/6AA
#16 Charlie Mosey 2A/2AA
#16 Scott Holm 6A/6AA
#15 Andrew Bruggeman 1A/1AA
#14 Casey Purpur North Dakota Starz U-16

Complete stat listings can be found here:

http://www.eliteiihockey.com/page/show/ ... er-leaders

happymama · Post by **happymama** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:10 am

seek & destroy wrote:The Elite II season is about half over and the stats have been recently updated. Here is a look at the top ten scorers so far:

Leader 15 points -
#22 Seth Barnes 6A/6AA

2 tied at 2nd 11 points -
#14 Alex Racino Team Wisconsin U-16
#15 Adam Smyth 2A/2AA

7 tied at 4th - 9 points -
#21 Jason Johnson 7A/7AA
# 7 Julius Tamasey 7A/7AA
#11 Mitchell Rogge 6A/6AA
#16 Charlie Mosey 2A/2AA
#16 Scott Holm 6A/6AA
#15 Andrew Bruggeman 1A/1AA
#14 Casey Purpur North Dakota Starz U-16

Complete stat listings can be found here:

http://www.eliteiihockey.com/page/show/ ... er-leaders

How many games do they play for the season? Do they have playoffs after?

keepmeoutofit · Post by **keepmeoutofit** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:11 am

section 1 doing well. 1 was the section that kept reminding people of tryouts on the forum. maybe it helped

hockeyboys · Post by **hockeyboys** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:15 am

Maybe it did help. I was one who was critical of bumping up the post - looks to me like all the sections should have figured out how to attract top players to the tryouts - I should not have criticized.
From what I see other sections did not get the top line players that did not make Elite league into the Elite II league. Too bad - would have raised the level of play in the league. Not sure what those players are doing instead.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:41 am

hockeyboys wrote:Maybe it did help. I was one who was critical of bumping up the post - looks to me like all the sections should have figured out how to attract top players to the tryouts - I should not have criticized.
From what I see other sections did not get the top line players that did not make Elite league into the Elite II league. Too bad - would have raised the level of play in the league. Not sure what those players are doing instead.

Who would they be?

hockeyboys · Post by **hockeyboys** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:54 am

Tyson Fulton
Joey Beneck
Max Everson

I don't have time to go through all the rosters - so here are 3 and if you look at the experience of most (not all) the Elite II players - they are not first line varsity players.

nickel slots · Post by **nickel slots** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:01 pm

hockeyboys wrote:Not sure what those players are doing instead.

I know the Blades have a U16 & a U18 team playing in some midget tournaments this fall. I saw the roster for the U16 (92 & 93 birth years) team that played at the Midget Showcase in Blaine the same weekend as the NAHL Showcase. Here's their roster & stats. Looks like a pretty good collection of kids that would have been impact players in the Elite II league (and probably will be in the Elite League next year). I haven't seen the roster for the U18 team (90 & 91 birth years).

hockeyboys · Post by **hockeyboys** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:07 pm

That is a very strong list of players. I would agree - all would make a tremendous impact on Elite II rosters. And you are correct - most will be in the Elite league next year.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:20 pm

hockeyboys wrote:Tyson Fulton
Joey Beneck
Max Everson

I don't have time to go through all the rosters - so here are 3 and if you look at the experience of most (not all) the Elite II players - they are not first line varsity players.

Your premise is all wrong. 'First line Varsity players' for the most part all graduated last year. If not, they are Seniors this year. The Elite league is designed to cater to seniors and I'll bet that most 'first line players' (especially from AA schools) that wanted to play are getting the chance to play in the Elite league. The Elite II league is not there to cater to seniors although, if they tryout, teams are allowed to take a few.

How many of these guys that you are mentioning just chose to not tryout for the Elite II league? There are a lot of options and they may have chose a different option.

hockeyboys · Post by **hockeyboys** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:26 pm

premise is not wrong - and i'm not critical of the Elite II league - i think is extremely good hockey.

i am asking the same as you - why did these players choose not the try out for the elite league.

I'm getting some answers - take a look at what the Blades are doing with a U16 team in the Fall. All these players are not elite league - and all would have made a huge impact in Elite II.

seek & destroy · Post by **seek & destroy** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:30 pm

nickel slots wrote:
hockeyboys wrote:Not sure what those players are doing instead.
I know the Blades have a U16 & a U18 team playing in some midget tournaments this fall. I saw the roster for the U16 (92 & 93 birth years) team that played at the Midget Showcase in Blaine the same weekend as the NAHL Showcase. Here's their roster & stats. Looks like a pretty good collection of kids that would have been impact players in the Elite II league (and probably will be in the Elite League next year). I haven't seen the roster for the U18 team (90 & 91 birth years).

You are right that that is a nice group of players. Too bad they didn't choose to tryout for Elite II league. It would have made the teams stronger. Each year more and more kids are looking at the Elite II league as a stepping stone to Elite league. However, some will choose other options like AAA teams instead which also works.

It is my understanding that the U18 team is primarily players who were not good enough to make the cut for Elite league. Because they are older players the Elite II teams could only take a few so most of them didn't even try. Nothing special as far as players but still some decent talent.

There is a lot of good hockey in Minnesota.

flatontheice · Post by **flatontheice** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:54 pm

seek & destroy wrote:
nickel slots wrote:
hockeyboys wrote:Not sure what those players are doing instead.
I know the Blades have a U16 & a U18 team playing in some midget tournaments this fall. I saw the roster for the U16 (92 & 93 birth years) team that played at the Midget Showcase in Blaine the same weekend as the NAHL Showcase. Here's their roster & stats. Looks like a pretty good collection of kids that would have been impact players in the Elite II league (and probably will be in the Elite League next year). I haven't seen the roster for the U18 team (90 & 91 birth years).
You are right that that is a nice group of players. Too bad they didn't choose to tryout for Elite II league. It would have made the teams stronger. Each year more and more kids are looking at the Elite II league as a stepping stone to Elite league. However, some will choose other options like AAA teams instead which also works.

It is my understanding that the U18 team is primarily players who were not good enough to make the cut for Elite league. Because they are older players the Elite II teams could only take a few so most of them didn't even try. Nothing special as far as players but still some decent talent.

There is a lot of good hockey in Minnesota.

I notice that there are not 30 kids on here nightly from Mankato bragging about how good the Noterman coached team is this year. Must be cause Bruggeman is in Fargo.

keepmeoutofit · Post by **keepmeoutofit** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:15 pm

must be a humble group of young sportsmen

myhockey · Post by **myhockey** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:32 pm

Elite 2 hockey is as competitive as any other elite league. Elite 2 has a different goal and that is too get the kids ready for high school hockey. The program is sponsored by High school coaches. It is open to all kids to try out and that is what makes it a unique league. Elite 1 is open to invite only which sucks cause there is kids that don't belong in it. Take a look at the great plains team they brought a goalie up from Elite2 to try a game due to there goalies they found out were not good enough. Also they reserve 10 spots on the team for North Dakota kids...Some don't belong on the ice in that league but yet North Dakota is guaranteed 10 spots. Why don't they get a team together like the Dakota teams in Elite 2 and compete in the Elite 1 league. Also Seniors should have a open tryout to Elite 1 as long as they were varsity players the year before. We can debate the pros and cons of the two leagues but what a player needs to do is decide if it will make them a better player for there high school team. Also I said team most of you out there need to remember the team that wins state is the one that knows what team means. You can be a Division 1 player but that don't mean your high school team will win a championship.

Doglover · Post by **Doglover** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:20 am

Nice post "Myhockey". You made several excellent points, especially agree with the one where any Jr. who played HS Varsity should be allowed to tryout for Elite I the year between their Jr/SR year (I think you said Seniors but assume you meant the kids that would be seniors?)

I don't think the Elite II level is all that strong though (and Elite I is way too political in some areas) . There are some good kids, but I think we'll see how MN Hockey is doing when this team heads to Chicago. I'm afraid we may find they're not as competitive as we'd all like to believe, but I hope I'm wrong. I think the Nike Bauer is Halloween weekend so if anyone is there, please keep us updated!!

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:10 am

Doglover wrote:I don't think the Elite II level is all that strong though (and Elite I is way too political in some areas) . There are some good kids, but I think we'll see how MN Hockey is doing when this team heads to Chicago. I'm afraid we may find they're not as competitive as we'd all like to believe, but I hope I'm wrong. I think the Nike Bauer is Halloween weekend so if anyone is there, please keep us updated!!

What makes you think that the best of Elite II is even on the team that heads to Chicago? I think, just like last year, a player decides if he would go to Chicago before the season starts and not all the top players even tryout for that team. They choose the best that have decided to pony up the money to go.

That teams success or failure should not overshadow the league and its quality of play.

myhockey · Post by **myhockey** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:19 pm

I will say this again Both of these leagues are great....They need to take a look at how they pick the kids that play in the Elite one league. That should be for Seniors that are needing exposure and played varsity hockey the year before. Keep the elite two as a open tryout for all ages and let the coaches choose the sophmores, Juniors and 4 seniors they want on the team. The Elite one league is missing so many seniors that can play at that level. I have watched Elite 2 kids this year play as well as any of the Elite one kids. there is talent in the Elite 2 league that will never get a tryout for elite one. There is kids that bloom late in the sport of hockey and some will show up as a senior and people go were has he been in the last two or three years and those kids will never play Elite one league. i truly think that we need to get both leagues to work together and lets make these leagues better for the kids that truly love the sport of hockey.

GR3343 · Post by **GR3343** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:30 pm

I also think a part of the problem is the stigma of Elite II. The name suggests second best which isn't the case. These so called top flight players are led to believe they're better than what the league has to offer due to the negative comments continuously made about the league. I heard of a case in GR last year(whether it was true or not is anyone's guess) that several prominent GR players declined to tryout for Elite II thinking the two leagues were affiliated after none of them received a tryout with Upper Midwest. Some players simply don't want to or think they don't need to skate in a competitive fall league which is fine too. Both leagues have loosely provided what they claim to offer. Personally, I would like to see the leagues go back to where they originated. The Upper Midwest should be predominately rostered with Elite seniors and the occasional superstar junior. Elite II should be loaded with Elite juniors and the occasional superstar soph. There should be no free passes into either league based on previous performance or teams made. The players should have to make the teams based on how they perform in a tryout situation.

The way things are going now, it seems as if Minnesota is once again losing players to the junior ranks at a higher & higher rate and the Upper Midwest league is becoming younger and younger each year as is Elite II.

The stated goal was to give the Elite seniors a highly competitve atmosphere to replace what they may be missing out on with a Junior A team. What they appear to have now is the same thing, only with a lot more Elite juniors which in turn is creating a situation where more seniors are leaving high school again.

It wasn't broke before, why did they have to fix it?

I originally posted this under Chase Wichelman(sp) thought it might be more appropriate under Elite II.

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