scoreboard33 wrote:
Actually, Clem Haskins was a great coach who consistently had winning teams. He may not have been very moral, but he took the U of M basketball team far which is pretty good considering what some others have done. Also, Tubby Smith has talked about playing depth quite a lot both at Kentucky and here, so its not just Haskins.
Glad somebody gets it. Clem Haskins is a great basketball coach. Now obviously he may not have been suited for NCAA basketball, but the man knew his stuff. For someone to say he only knew how to cheat indicates extraordinary ignorance.
Edina can be as deep as anyone this year if Giles wants to be. That's the point.
Disagree on the 3 line observation. Edina played the snot out of the top two lines. They were drained toward the end of the tournament.
The major issue last year was finding two lines that could score consistently. Gaarder played with Everson and Budish for 3/4 of the season. Lee was placed on every possible line combination including 2 first year players for half the year and scored regardless of who he played with. The one combination they did not try had Lee and Co. Gaarder together. Lee can play left or off wing but is best suited at Center. Taking your top four forwards and creating two lines makes much sense. Gaarder is under utilized playing with Budish and Everson and could be more productive playing with Lee. Giving Lee his own line is like saying "lets slap whoever is left over and have them play with Lee is short-sighted at best. Creating two significant scoring lines, Budish-Everson, Lee-Gaarder, and adding another very capable forward make much more sense. Scoreboard33 for an Edina guy you need to cheer for the whole team if you get my drift...
The bigger question is what teams will be able to shut both of those lines down. In my opinion, physically those two lines have no equal..The USHL has also lured away many of the remaining top players.
I'm not sure I really catch your drift, but the point I was making is that Gaarder fit with Budish and Everson, more than Lee fit with them. This year giving Lee his own line would mean Charlie Taft and a top 20 sophomore in Michael Sit. I don't see how that is not cheering for the whole team. Moving Gaarder would also work, but I don't see a replacement for him who is capable. Last year, Lee was on a solid line at first with Leer and Ca. Gaarder, but Leer didn't start hot and took a while to recover, so it threw that Line off, however, it probably would have worked with those 3 and Gleason offensive presense on the blue line. But sometimes plans dont work and adjustments must be made.
Actually, Clem Haskins was a great coach who consistently had winning teams. He may not have been very moral, but he took the U of M basketball team far which is pretty good considering what some others have done. Also, Tubby Smith has talked about playing depth quite a lot both at Kentucky and here, so its not just Haskins.
I will try and make this simple. If you assume that Edina's top 4 forwards are Lee, Budish, Everson and Gaarder, then why load one line with three of them? You are basically repeating the issue last year. Create two very strong lines and teams will struggle trying to shut down both of them down. This potential 2-line combination won state as pee-wees. I do agree Budish and Lee are natural centers and the combination is over-kill.
sticksuphigh wrote:
The major issue last year was finding two lines that could score consistently. Gaarder played with Everson and Budish for 3/4 of the season. Lee was placed on every possible line combination including 2 first year players for half the year and scored regardless of who he played with. The one combination they did not try had Lee and Co. Gaarder together. Lee can play left or off wing but is best suited at Center. Taking your top four forwards and creating two lines makes much sense. Gaarder is under utilized playing with Budish and Everson and could be more productive playing with Lee. Giving Lee his own line is like saying "lets slap whoever is left over and have them play with Lee is short-sighted at best. Creating two significant scoring lines, Budish-Everson, Lee-Gaarder, and adding another very capable forward make much more sense. Scoreboard33 for an Edina guy you need to cheer for the whole team if you get my drift...
The bigger question is what teams will be able to shut both of those lines down. In my opinion, physically those two lines have no equal..The USHL has also lured away many of the remaining top players.
I'm not sure I really catch your drift, but the point I was making is that Gaarder fit with Budish and Everson, more than Lee fit with them. This year giving Lee his own line would mean Charlie Taft and a top 20 sophomore in Michael Sit. I don't see how that is not cheering for the whole team. Moving Gaarder would also work, but I don't see a replacement for him who is capable. Last year, Lee was on a solid line at first with Leer and Ca. Gaarder, but Leer didn't start hot and took a while to recover, so it threw that Line off, however, it probably would have worked with those 3 and Gleason offensive presense on the blue line. But sometimes plans dont work and adjustments must be made.
Actually, Clem Haskins was a great coach who consistently had winning teams. He may not have been very moral, but he took the U of M basketball team far which is pretty good considering what some others have done. Also, Tubby Smith has talked about playing depth quite a lot both at Kentucky and here, so its not just Haskins.
I will try and make this simple. If you assume that Edina's top 4 forwards are Lee, Budish, Everson and Gaarder, then why load one line with three of them? You are basically repeating the issue last year. Create two very strong lines and teams will struggle trying to shut down both of them down. This potential 2-line combination won state as pee-wees. I do agree Budish and Lee are natural centers and the combination is over-kill.
This 2 line combination also lost state as bantams to Centennial who is just as deep as Edina. Centennials first line of Pitlick, Lovick, and Hess are just sick. Look for them all to score 50+ points this year. So that said here is my top 5
1. Edina
2. Centennial
3. Hill Murray
4. Hopkins
5. Bloomington Jefferson
1. STA
2. Warroad
3. Duluth Marshall
4. Little Falls
5. Rochester Lourdes
6. South St. Paul
7. International Falls
8. Mahtomedi
9. St. Cloud Cathedral
10. New Prague
1. STA
2. Warroad
3. Duluth Marshall
4. Little Falls
5. Rochester Lourdes
6. South St. Paul
7. International Falls
8. Mahtomedi
9. St. Cloud Cathedral
10. New Prague
no Breck?
That is a stretch to say the least. who do you see in duluth marshall that will carry them so high up? also rochester lourdes? SSP above Mahtomedi and Cathedral? and yes, no breck?
scoreboard33 wrote:
I'm not sure I really catch your drift, but the point I was making is that Gaarder fit with Budish and Everson, more than Lee fit with them. This year giving Lee his own line would mean Charlie Taft and a top 20 sophomore in Michael Sit. I don't see how that is not cheering for the whole team. Moving Gaarder would also work, but I don't see a replacement for him who is capable. Last year, Lee was on a solid line at first with Leer and Ca. Gaarder, but Leer didn't start hot and took a while to recover, so it threw that Line off, however, it probably would have worked with those 3 and Gleason offensive presense on the blue line. But sometimes plans dont work and adjustments must be made.
Actually, Clem Haskins was a great coach who consistently had winning teams. He may not have been very moral, but he took the U of M basketball team far which is pretty good considering what some others have done. Also, Tubby Smith has talked about playing depth quite a lot both at Kentucky and here, so its not just Haskins.
I will try and make this simple. If you assume that Edina's top 4 forwards are Lee, Budish, Everson and Gaarder, then why load one line with three of them? You are basically repeating the issue last year. Create two very strong lines and teams will struggle trying to shut down both of them down. This potential 2-line combination won state as pee-wees. I do agree Budish and Lee are natural centers and the combination is over-kill.
This 2 line combination also lost state as bantams to Centennial who is just as deep as Edina. Centennials first line of Pitlick, Lovick, and Hess are just sick. Look for them all to score 50+ points this year. So that said here is my top 5
1. Edina
2. Centennial
3. Hill Murray
4. Hopkins
5. Bloomington Jefferson
That two line combo did not exist. Lee won state that year with STA.... That two line combo did win state as 2nd year Peewee's.
nickel slots wrote:
1. STA
2. Warroad
3. Duluth Marshall
4. Little Falls
5. Rochester Lourdes
6. South St. Paul
7. International Falls
8. Mahtomedi
9. St. Cloud Cathedral
10. New Prague
no Breck?
That is a stretch to say the least. who do you see in duluth marshall that will carry them so high up? also rochester lourdes? SSP above Mahtomedi and Cathedral? and yes, no breck?
1. DM - Willie Paul is a decent goalie, they're well coached, and they've been there, done that.
2. Rochester Lourdes will be a state contender... mark my words. They have 5 kids playing in the Elite league.
3. I could see moving SSP down or even off the list.
4. Let's see your list???
Don't sweat the small stuff.
It's all small stuff.
I see some have Hopkins right up there, anyone one have a little more detail as to why they think they'll rate that high?
I know they had a great season last year, but who's back? who'd they lose?
Not saying they won't do well, I'd just like more info.
I think it is interesting that Geocities.com MN Boys Hockey website perseason ranking in Class 2A has EP ranked #2, is this based on what the Bantam teams have done the past 2 years? I think that is kinda high, I would have thought at least #5 to #8 not 2. Alot of expectations on that program/coaches the next few years to win the title.
1. Edina
2. Hill
3. Duluth East
4. Eden Prairie
5. Roseau
6. Moorhead
7. Academy Of Holy Angels
8. Bemilde
9. White Bear Lake
10. Blaine
11. Hopkins
12. Centennial
13. Cretin
14. Burnsville
15. Grand Rapids
Can't Never Tried wrote:I see some have Hopkins right up there, anyone one have a little more detail as to why they think they'll rate that high?
I know they had a great season last year, but who's back? who'd they lose?
Not saying they won't do well, I'd just like more info.
Hopkins returns a strong class of players. It's a pesky group that played Minnetonka well last year. They have a great goalie that is capable of winning games on his own.
Think how good they would be if they had Mike Fink, UND recruit.
Can't Never Tried wrote:I see some have Hopkins right up there, anyone one have a little more detail as to why they think they'll rate that high?
I know they had a great season last year, but who's back? who'd they lose?
Not saying they won't do well, I'd just like more info.
Hopkins graduated 4 seniors from last year--three wingers (B. Boyd, Groom and Essel) and their most experienced defender (Greene). While the wingers didn't have huge point totals they gave depth in different line combinations and created and finished. The biggest challenge will be replacing that depth and if the defense can mature in front of one of the best goalies in the state, Alex Fons, they could give teams trouble. Having Skalbeck and Boyd back will also create some offense.
That is a stretch to say the least. who do you see in duluth marshall that will carry them so high up? also rochester lourdes? SSP above Mahtomedi and Cathedral? and yes, no breck?
1. DM - Willie Paul is a decent goalie, they're well coached, and they've been there, done that.
2. Rochester Lourdes will be a state contender... mark my words. They have 5 kids playing in the Elite league.
3. I could see moving SSP down or even off the list.
4. Let's see your list???
1. Breck
2. Warroad
3. Duluth Marshall
4. Mahtomedi
5. Rochester Lourdes
6. St. Cloud Cathedral
7. STA
8. New Prague
9. Orono
10.Little Falls
Breck has to many weapons. 12 Juniors (9 who lettered as Freshmen), Two very talented seniors in Rehkamp and Herd, a great goalie and very strong defense should mean with a little luck they have a great shot a third title in 8 years!
Can't Never Tried wrote:I see some have Hopkins right up there, anyone one have a little more detail as to why they think they'll rate that high?
I know they had a great season last year, but who's back? who'd they lose?
Not saying they won't do well, I'd just like more info.
Hopkins graduated 4 seniors from last year--three wingers (B. Boyd, Groom and Essel) and their most experienced defender (Greene). While the wingers didn't have huge point totals they gave depth in different line combinations and created and finished. The biggest challenge will be replacing that depth and if the defense can mature in front of one of the best goalies in the state, Alex Fons, they could give teams trouble. Having Skalbeck and Boyd back will also create some offense.
Just my thoughts but I bet you will see a huge drop off in points for T. Boyd.
