No, no, no. We are not turnng this into political thread.
That would be against "bored" policy.
Interesting, Here is a Talking Point.
The Twins have played 60 home games.
The Sox have played 51.
This is due, in no small part , to The Rebublican convention being held
here.
Because the rest of the way the Twins are on the road a lot more than the Sox.
Both teams are below.500 on the road and way above at home.
This results in the Twins having no chance of staying in 1st.
No Spin, fact.
Oh sure, Liriano is back and blah, blah, go Twins. Thats the Spin you will here.
Reality Check: The Twins have 51 games left with 31 being on the road.
The Sox have 52 games left with 30 at home.
If they play the same as what got them here, no chance for the Twins.
Remenber, No Spin is allowed.
The "Republicans are Coming" Factor
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Re: The "Republicans are Coming" Factor
That spot is now occupied by Liriano. No spin, just the fact.packerboy wrote: Lets see about that this year.
Santana, of course, would have been the opening day starter and he would have pitched in the spot in the rotation occupied now by Livan Hernandez.
But let's see what not spending 23 millon a year cost the Twins in the way of wins.
And the Twins have still saved 23 million.
I know and I thought about it but it doesnt work.
The Factor sought to "measure" the difference in wins with Santana gone. The developments re Liriano would have occurred with or without Johans presence so he is not a Factor in the measurement.
OGEE, if they lose the division by one or 2 games, we can point tp any number of Factors including the bullpen issues but even if you could say definitely it was becasue we lost Who, there is no long term value to signing him.
Thsi team is way ahead of schedule.
The Republicans are Coming Factor will doom them this season but look ahead. Nice looking team going forward.
The Factor sought to "measure" the difference in wins with Santana gone. The developments re Liriano would have occurred with or without Johans presence so he is not a Factor in the measurement.
OGEE, if they lose the division by one or 2 games, we can point tp any number of Factors including the bullpen issues but even if you could say definitely it was becasue we lost Who, there is no long term value to signing him.
Thsi team is way ahead of schedule.
The Republicans are Coming Factor will doom them this season but look ahead. Nice looking team going forward.
I like the new thread title, PB. I particularly like how you used the metaphor of impending doom to relate the two.
Anyhoo, it's clear that this 2 week road trip is going to be a real test for the hometown club, and they're going to have to play better out there. But let's review a couple of facts about the remaining schedules...
During the 2 week trip, the only team with a winning record they'll face are the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Orange County, California, USA, 92806... Unfortunately, it's a 4 game set. Beyond that, they'll get Oakland and Seattle who are on a downward spiral, and Toronto who are fading fast.
During that same span, the White Sox will play 12 1/2 games which include Tampa Bay and a trip to Boston. Before their last 3 game set of the season against Cleveland, they'll have a 10 game road trip... 7 of those games are against New York and Minnesota (other 3 are against KC who also just handed out a few lumps of their own... literally).
PB's point still stands though... The Twins have to play better on the road, and can't wait to see if the Sox are willing to fold up shop. As much as we'd probably like to look at the series starting tonight against the lowly M's as a cakewalk, if they do it right, it could go a long way toward developing some confidence on the road.
Oh... and they put a 7.22 road ERA on waivers. Just another factor to consider.
Anyhoo, it's clear that this 2 week road trip is going to be a real test for the hometown club, and they're going to have to play better out there. But let's review a couple of facts about the remaining schedules...
During the 2 week trip, the only team with a winning record they'll face are the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, Orange County, California, USA, 92806... Unfortunately, it's a 4 game set. Beyond that, they'll get Oakland and Seattle who are on a downward spiral, and Toronto who are fading fast.
During that same span, the White Sox will play 12 1/2 games which include Tampa Bay and a trip to Boston. Before their last 3 game set of the season against Cleveland, they'll have a 10 game road trip... 7 of those games are against New York and Minnesota (other 3 are against KC who also just handed out a few lumps of their own... literally).
PB's point still stands though... The Twins have to play better on the road, and can't wait to see if the Sox are willing to fold up shop. As much as we'd probably like to look at the series starting tonight against the lowly M's as a cakewalk, if they do it right, it could go a long way toward developing some confidence on the road.
Oh... and they put a 7.22 road ERA on waivers. Just another factor to consider.
Reality Check Govs:
If the 2 teams play out the season as they have so far on the road and at home, the Twins will win 88 and the Sox will win 92.(my number in the contest).
The Twins have a bad 14 game road trip in late August that starts on the west coast where they never do well and ends in TOR with no days off except to get to TOR.
When they come back, they play 3 games vs the Tigers.
The Factor must report that things will be in bad shape after that stretch.
The Factor sees a team that does real well at home and sub par on the road with a half game lead and 60% ot its remaining games on the road.
No Spin there.
If the 2 teams play out the season as they have so far on the road and at home, the Twins will win 88 and the Sox will win 92.(my number in the contest).
The Twins have a bad 14 game road trip in late August that starts on the west coast where they never do well and ends in TOR with no days off except to get to TOR.
When they come back, they play 3 games vs the Tigers.
The Factor must report that things will be in bad shape after that stretch.
The Factor sees a team that does real well at home and sub par on the road with a half game lead and 60% ot its remaining games on the road.
No Spin there.
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Interesting, the emotional fans do not want to hear about The "Republicans are Coming" Factor so they dismiss it as "futuristic"
Let me tell yah, The Factor sees visions and the rest of the world is wearing bifoculs.
These fans who want to dismiss the current report of The Factor are the same types of folk who thought we paid too much for Alaska and believed we could never fit a computer into one room.
Saying the Sox wil collapse is Spin
This is a No Spin Zone
Any fair and balanced analysis will result in the same futuristic approach that The Factor reports: 30 games on the road for the Twins vs 22 for the Sox is a bad deal.
Let me tell yah, The Factor sees visions and the rest of the world is wearing bifoculs.
These fans who want to dismiss the current report of The Factor are the same types of folk who thought we paid too much for Alaska and believed we could never fit a computer into one room.
Saying the Sox wil collapse is Spin
This is a No Spin Zone
Any fair and balanced analysis will result in the same futuristic approach that The Factor reports: 30 games on the road for the Twins vs 22 for the Sox is a bad deal.
Yikes... now The Spin... whoops, excuse me... The Factor (it's been tough to tell the two apart in here all year, and it seems to be even more difficult now) is not only predicting the future, but also misinterpreting the past. Also, it seems to be arguing with those who have a very similar train of thought. It actually sounds a lot like a certain Fox News program I've heard about... I forget the name of it though.packerboy wrote:Interesting, the emotional fans do not want to hear about The "Republicans are Coming" Factor so they dismiss it as "futuristic"
Let me tell yah, The Factor sees visions and the rest of the world is wearing bifoculs.
These fans who want to dismiss the current report of The Factor are the same types of folk who thought we paid too much for Alaska and believed we could never fit a computer into one room.
Saying the Sox wil collapse is Spin
This is a No Spin Zone
Any fair and balanced analysis will result in the same futuristic approach that The Factor reports: 30 games on the road for the Twins vs 22 for the Sox is a bad deal.
I don't think anybody has suggested that the Sox will collapse. It was mentioned that they're currently struggling - no spin there - and it should be something to keep an eye on. Quote the Chicago manager when speaking of his starting rotation: "They stink". 38 hits and 23 runs in a pair of games against KC tells us that it is certainly a Factor that the Factor has overlooked.
Interesting.
The Spinsters tell us not to worry, the teams they play on the road are all under .500.
Reality Check: when the Twins go on the road, they are well under .500.
The Factor watched the game last night and is still sick to its stomach but there is no way to Spin it.
They are not a good team on the road and 60% of the remaining games are on the road. No Spin, no prediction, just fair and balanced reporting.
If its Spin you have, hey, take it elsewhere.
The Spinsters tell us not to worry, the teams they play on the road are all under .500.
Reality Check: when the Twins go on the road, they are well under .500.
The Factor watched the game last night and is still sick to its stomach but there is no way to Spin it.
They are not a good team on the road and 60% of the remaining games are on the road. No Spin, no prediction, just fair and balanced reporting.
If its Spin you have, hey, take it elsewhere.
On the road again....
The long and winding road.......
Once there was a way, to get back homeward, once there was a way to get back home.....
Homeward bound, I wish I was , homeward bound.....
Whistling some of those old tunes today after last nights inspirational collapse.
Yes folks ,as Neut has illustrated, The Republicans are coming and it is a huge Factor in theTwins chances of making the playoffs as reported and opined first here.....on The Factor
Listen, I am a big fan but to opine that the Twins can win a playoff spot with the road schedule they have remaining smacks of Spin.
A fair and balanced report is that they have no chance.
Hey, we're lookin out for yah and there is No Spin here.
The long and winding road.......
Once there was a way, to get back homeward, once there was a way to get back home.....
Homeward bound, I wish I was , homeward bound.....
Whistling some of those old tunes today after last nights inspirational collapse.
Yes folks ,as Neut has illustrated, The Republicans are coming and it is a huge Factor in theTwins chances of making the playoffs as reported and opined first here.....on The Factor
Listen, I am a big fan but to opine that the Twins can win a playoff spot with the road schedule they have remaining smacks of Spin.
A fair and balanced report is that they have no chance.
Hey, we're lookin out for yah and there is No Spin here.
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With the gloomy outlook for The Repuplicans are coming FactorI have switched to the Colbert Report. 
The Twins are 0-2 since the new Factor started, not good but its only 2 games, the way they lost them reminds me more of The Twilight Zone than the No Spin Zone.
PB I hope your wrong, but after looking at in a Fair and Balanced way, you make a correct analysis. They need to Win on the Road, and thats the bottom line.
So, Twins starting hauling some Hay Bales home.
The Twins are 0-2 since the new Factor started, not good but its only 2 games, the way they lost them reminds me more of The Twilight Zone than the No Spin Zone.
PB I hope your wrong, but after looking at in a Fair and Balanced way, you make a correct analysis. They need to Win on the Road, and thats the bottom line.
So, Twins starting hauling some Hay Bales home.
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packerboy wrote:Reality Check Govs:
If the 2 teams play out the season as they have so far on the road and at home, the Twins will win 88 and the Sox will win 92.(my number in the contest).
The Twins have a bad 14 game road trip in late August that starts on the west coast where they never do well and ends in TOR with no days off except to get to TOR.
When they come back, they play 3 games vs the Tigers.
The Factor must report that things will be in bad shape after that stretch.
The Factor sees a team that does real well at home and sub par on the road with a half game lead and 60% ot its remaining games on the road.
No Spin there.
See?
What'd i tell you? it's just like i said! 
Just like somebody else used to say! 
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Spin? The only spin there is you saying 88 won't win the division...it's like i said before it was the "in" thing to say... the pale hose will have a late season slide, and the twinks take it with 88. oh wait, nevermind, wouldn't want to spin it the other waypackerboy wrote:Ah UNS, 88 isnt any good if it doesnt win the division.
Keep the Spin out of here because we are lookin out for yah on The Factor.
Interesting.
Folks seem to think that the Sox will collapse.
They have won a World Series recently and even though they have had some off years since, I dont recall a collapse.
The Sox are tough at home and a majority of their games left are at home. They have a team of guys who compete.
The Twins have the Republicans coming to town and as a result are kicked out of the Dome for most of the rest of the season.
They dont compete well on the road as demonstrated in Seattle vs a bad team.
The Factor reports that since the Twins are well under .500 on the road, the result will be a non playoff year.
Its a Reality Check for many and the Pinheads who scheduled it this way should be brought to justice.
If its Spin you want, double click elsewhere cuz The Factor is lookin out for yah........ in the No Spin Zone
Folks seem to think that the Sox will collapse.
They have won a World Series recently and even though they have had some off years since, I dont recall a collapse.
The Sox are tough at home and a majority of their games left are at home. They have a team of guys who compete.
The Twins have the Republicans coming to town and as a result are kicked out of the Dome for most of the rest of the season.
They dont compete well on the road as demonstrated in Seattle vs a bad team.
The Factor reports that since the Twins are well under .500 on the road, the result will be a non playoff year.
Its a Reality Check for many and the Pinheads who scheduled it this way should be brought to justice.
If its Spin you want, double click elsewhere cuz The Factor is lookin out for yah........ in the No Spin Zone
It would behoove the hometown club to not screw this weekend up. While the Pale Hose will have their hands full with Lester, Dice-K, and the rest of the Beaneaters, if the Twins can figure around a way to get the ball over the plate and play some defense, they've got a chance to go into next week with the division lead again.
Get ahead while you can.
Get ahead while you can.
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And let's hope they don't live up to Gary Gaetti's classic quote "It's hard to field the ball when you have both your hands around your throat." You gotta love Gaetti, no SPIN from that guy.
packerboy wrote:Excellent choice OGEE.OGEE OGELTHORPE wrote:"Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining"
The Factor was thinking more along the lines of "get while the gettin is good" but hey, OGEE's selection is very creative.
There is No Spin in it.
It's hard to win when you always lose.