Roseau takes a hit

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:15 am

The announcement...

http://www.ushl.com/news/0708/20080421weekly.pdf

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:26 am

goldenv wrote:Hello, I had to get on and make a comment about this one, Here is my opinion on the situation. Why does a family no matter who's family feel it neccesarry to send there kid out of the house before he or she's time. In one years time a lot can change in a kids life, speaking of maturity, both physicaly and mentaly. This can make a huge difference in the sucsess of what one is trying to accomplish. What if Mike gets down to Fargo and hates it, now keep in mind he, no matter what you say is still just a kid, because when he gets down there and Blais says your not cutting the mustard, we are going with the other guy. From what I understand he is going to St. Cloud right. My only question, is this move coming from them. And if is going to St. Cloud what is the point of going to Fargo his ticket is written. So if he stays in Roseau he is guaranteed all the games there I would think right. Or is there a goalie that is going to challenge him, and from what I have seen the last couple of years at the state tournament, he is playing with some of the best high school players in the state. So I can imagine that there is no real differnce from playing on one of the lower teams in the ushl or going to the state tourny and playing with and against the best players in the state of Minnesota, And if Ness would of stayed, the best player in the state, Sorry Roseau but this kid is good but just imagine if his body was one more year mature going into the gophers, then he would defently dominated, now I hope the smalll kid doesn't going to the tuff wcha and get hurt. My true wish would be is that none of these USHL teams could not even talk to these kids until half way through their Senior year. Look at all the kids entering Division 1, one or two years after high school, They just seam so much more ready that a kid right out of high school. I just don't see what the big rush is getting to the next level, if you are goint to get there you will get there. and from what I have heard, this Lee is in the drivers seat. There is plenty off time to get to the next level and I think everyone should play through high school, go to the next level more mature mentaly and physicaly.

As to maturity, I believe Lee is a year older than most of his class. Not a reason to leave, but this development may be further along than many juniors.

BERG RENOLZ · Post by **BERG RENOLZ** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:31 am

Some of you old timers need to realize it's not 1980 anymore, times have changed. I don't know Mike, but i can guarantee this is the toughest decision he's had to make. A lot of that has to do with people like ACTUALFORMERPLAYER who will now shun Mike Lee because he's trying to improve himself. I'm sure Mike knows there are selfish people out there who don't have his back on this decision. People will be bitter in Roseau, we're already seeing that. I can't blame him for this decision. I'm sure SCSU was pushing him to do this, do you just say no to a school that's giving you a scholarship? What more does he have to prove at the high school level? He won a title a couple years ago and had a great year last year. For the guy who thinks Roseau's schedule is just as good of competition as the Fargo Force's will be, you're wrong! It's much better competition. It's been said in the past...Roseau's schedule isn't that impressive. It's not like they don't play anyone good, but Roseau is too far away to play teams like Edina and Hill-Murray. They maybe play two metro teams a year. Mike isn't improving playing against Crookston, TRF, and Bemidji. He will improve himself playing against some of the best kids from around the country. Sure he'll miss out on some things from his senior year, and i'm sure he's bummed about that, but sometimes you have to make those really tough decisions to make yourself better. Also, i'm sure an alumni game 2 or 3 years down the road is the last thing on his mind. Good luck Mike!

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:49 am

Right you are Berg.

In high school hockey, almost all programs eventually become victims of their own success.

Why would it be any different in Roseau?

There are many kids who stay in high school even in the face of other opportunities. There are many who dont.

Baseball, football and basketball dont have these issues because there is no where else for kids to go. If there was, we'd be losing even more kids before graduation. The numbers would be alarming.

I dont like it but thats the way it is.

I think there is more to it than sports opportunity. Kids are more mature now. A lot of them are thinking beyond high school earlier now even if they arent involved in hockey. They take AP courses in high school and have a semester of college in before they even start.

It sure isnt 1980 anymore.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:00 pm

BERG RENOLZ wrote:I'm sure SCSU was pushing him to do this, do you just say no to a school that's giving you a scholarship?

Coaches rarely push their recruits one way or the other. They will more often tell them that they'll need some time in juniors before they start college, but they don't specify that they have to leave high school early.

The only exception to this I can think of might be Jeff Jackson at Notre Dame. He refuses to take kids straight from high school. That may or may not indicate that he requests kids to leave high school early.

I will concede the fact that the pressure to leave early for juniors is there anyway, whether it's expressed or implied is really irrelevant. My point is just that college coaches shouldn't be blamed.

Also, Lee fit's SCSU's goaltending situation well, but don't think that he couldn't find a spot on almost ANY WCHA roster if he really wanted to.

mn4hockey · Post by **mn4hockey** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:04 pm

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER - who said i played in the NHL? cause i know i didn't. i simply pointed out that i've been in a situation like this one. if i had not chosen to leave early, i know i would have always wondered what would have happened if i did. i don't know how you assumed that i played in the NHL from those words, cause i sure didn't see it in there. And since when do you have to play in the NHL to be considered successful?

hockeyfantasy · Post by **hockeyfantasy** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:18 pm

This thread is getting totally out of hand and totally rediculous!!!!!!!!! The reason and ONLY reason a kid leaves high school is because of the parents ego!!! Nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY will convince me there is another reason, ever!! All the parents that let their kids go have absolutely no common sense, NONE! They want to be called "BIG SHOT". I can't believe I am even responding to something so stupid, but 90% of other parents I talk to are saying the same thing. Good luck to all the mommies and daddies that let their kids leave before they graduate high school.

BERG RENOLZ · Post by **BERG RENOLZ** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:23 pm

The Exiled One wrote:
BERG RENOLZ wrote:I'm sure SCSU was pushing him to do this, do you just say no to a school that's giving you a scholarship?
Coaches rarely push their recruits one way or the other. They will more often tell them that they'll need some time in juniors before they start college, but they don't specify that they have to leave high school early.

The only exception to this I can think of might be Jeff Jackson at Notre Dame. He refuses to take kids straight from high school. That may or may not indicate that he requests kids to leave high school early.

I will concede the fact that the pressure to leave early for juniors is there anyway, whether it's expressed or implied is really irrelevant. My point is just that college coaches shouldn't be blamed.

Also, Lee fit's SCSU's goaltending situation well, but don't think that he couldn't find a spot on almost ANY WCHA roster if he really wanted to.

I guess you're probably right, and my purpose wasn't to blame the coach. I'm sure they don't tell a kid they should leave high school. I'm sure the coaches at SCSU are happy Mike made this decision though. He should be better prepared for WCHA hockey after this year, compared to if he spent this year in Roseau. Either way, he'd be there. But, I'm sure Mike wants to get better and be prepared. And, i'm sure he wants to step in right away and be the starting goaltender at SCSU. I think he realizes this is the best way to prepare himself to be able to do just that.

Just to set things straight...i'm not trying to knock Roseau hockey or anything like that. I love Roseau, the hockey program is top notch. The best in the state IMO. I'm sure Mike Lee feels the same way. Roseau should feel proud of producing such a great talent. There just isn't anything left for Mike to prove in Roseau and really no more to gain. Try not to be bitter old timers. Give this kid the support he deserves!

BERG RENOLZ · Post by **BERG RENOLZ** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:37 pm

hockeyfantasy wrote:This thread is getting totally out of hand and totally rediculous!!!!!!!!! The reason and ONLY reason a kid leaves high school is because of the parents ego!!! Nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY will convince me there is another reason, ever!! All the parents that let their kids go have absolutely no common sense, NONE! They want to be called "BIG SHOT". I can't believe I am even responding to something so stupid, but 90% of other parents I talk to are saying the same thing. Good luck to all the mommies and daddies that let their kids leave before they graduate high school.

I'm definitely not going to try change your mind, because no one can change your mind apparently. But, your reasoning is flat out dumb. A parent wants their kid to leave high school early to play juniors based soley on the fact that they want to stroke their own ego? I might be the dumb one here, but that makes absolutely no sense! Brains just drained out of my ears!

GR3343 · Post by **GR3343** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:40 pm

hockeyfantasy wrote:This thread is getting totally out of hand and totally rediculous!!!!!!!!! The reason and ONLY reason a kid leaves high school is because of the parents ego!!! Nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY will convince me there is another reason, ever!! All the parents that let their kids go have absolutely no common sense, NONE! They want to be called "BIG SHOT". I can't believe I am even responding to something so stupid, but 90% of other parents I talk to are saying the same thing. Good luck to all the mommies and daddies that let their kids leave before they graduate high school.

Easy there big fella. It's not as if Mike Lee or anyone who goes to play in the USHL as a senior will not finish high school. They will live with a billet family and attend a local high school and with that, have an academic advisor. Schoolwork will probably be the last thing to suffer. Don't kid yourself into thinking you're such a superior parent. As people have stated before, it's quite certain that the player, the team and the FAMILY discuss what's best for the kid. In this case, all parties must feel that Mike Lee is ready for this move. Why bitch about it? It's not stupid and it's not about ego. It's about opportunity and improvement. As someone else said earlier, it's not 1980 anymore, and I'm speaking from the perspective of a parent of a high school player. We as parents as well as the players have to evolve with the times a little bit as well.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:13 pm

GR3343 wrote:
hockeyfantasy wrote:This thread is getting totally out of hand and totally rediculous!!!!!!!!! The reason and ONLY reason a kid leaves high school is because of the parents ego!!! Nobody and I mean absolutely NOBODY will convince me there is another reason, ever!! All the parents that let their kids go have absolutely no common sense, NONE! They want to be called "BIG SHOT". I can't believe I am even responding to something so stupid, but 90% of other parents I talk to are saying the same thing. Good luck to all the mommies and daddies that let their kids leave before they graduate high school.
Easy there big fella. It's not as if Mike Lee or anyone who goes to play in the USHL as a senior will not finish high school. They will live with a billet family and attend a local high school and with that, have an academic advisor. Schoolwork will probably be the last thing to suffer. Don't kid yourself into thinking you're such a superior parent. As people have stated before, it's quite certain that the player, the team and the FAMILY discuss what's best for the kid. In this case, all parties must feel that Mike Lee is ready for this move. Why bitch about it? It's not stupid and it's not about ego. It's about opportunity and improvement. As someone else said earlier, it's not 1980 anymore, and I'm speaking from the perspective of a parent of a high school player. We as parents as well as the players have to evolve with the times a little bit as well.

I can see both sides here...

If the kid is grown up enough to handle the move and give up the sr. year at home, more power to them.
But by all means it should be their choice, without mom and dad influencing it because of hockey, guidance is ok, influence is not IMO.

Given the choice I personally don't think I would want my kid to give up that last year at home, face it...they are gone soon enough, and if they have a future in hockey it will happen regardless of when they go.

I also believe that the parent ego thing is there in some cases. (But I'm not saying it is in this case.)

The other thing to consider here is the fact of where Mike is going, it's not a 10 hr drive or flight to come home, so that actually may make it an easier choice.
Either way we should just wish the young man the best of luck!

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:55 pm

I have 2 thoughts here.
1- Each person has to do what is best for them. Whether it is staying or leaving, each individual has to go with his/her gut. You only get 1 life. You should be able to choose as you see fit.

2- Let's ease up on the 1980 comments.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:17 am

Relevant points that I think are lost on some here. May have been previously mentioned.

1 - He's a goalie. Who improved more this year? Brandon Maxwell of the NTDP (who shows a Florida address) or Lee (who lives near the Canada-US border)?

2 - He'll be in Fargo. His parents can easily see half his games.

Consider this...it is conceivable that his host family could be in Moorhead and he could actually attend HS with the Spud players. (I have no idea. Maybe he'll go to school in North Dakota.)

3- He's taken a look around and seen all the girls Roseau has to offer and it ready for a change.

(Okay, the 3rd might be a little unfair to the community.)

Joey (nine toes) Marcoux · Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:16 am

Mr. Clown---Totally unfair

Many fine looking young gals up Nort

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:16 am

This has nothing to do with parenting and everything to do with hockey.

The kids are well nourished with a roof over their head and they finish high school. They aren't abused. They then come home in the summer and then go off to college just like evrybody else.

So they give up a year of the "Pleasantville' life. Big deal.

If it were my son , I'd want to keep him home till he graduates but ONLY for selfish reasons. It's tough when they leave.

Good parenting is not keeping them from leaving home ,its getting them ready for that eventuality.

OGEE OGELTHORPE · Post by **OGEE OGELTHORPE** » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:58 pm

On the news tonight it said Mike was considering playing a before and after with Fargo. And the Rams during the season.

Anybody else hear that?

2nd string · Post by **2nd string** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:31 pm

yes but is there any truth to it. Or was it a political move.

UpNorthStars · Post by **UpNorthStars** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:37 pm

What news was that? KJ102?

How about Nick Oliver? Will he be sticking around another year?

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:07 pm

UpNorthStars wrote:What news was that? KJ102?

How about Nick Oliver? Will he be sticking around another year?

Agree with OGEE. The article i saw on the internet siad he was still considering a before and after deal.

That being said, no one has a rite to be upest with him other then his teammates. The people in the community who feel anger towards him to grow up and stop trying to live thru the roso hockey program.It may be fun for them to watch but its is actually providing him with a great chance to excel his game.
P.S. how many of the people who are angry with Lee skipping his senior year were also mad at Ness. He left the town and program a year early too

hipcheck · Post by **hipcheck** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:59 am

#30 has brought this group to state tournaments as Peewees and Bantams.

The whole community will have feelings one way or the other, but his ex-teammates are the ones that matter the most. Good luck #30.

"If you wonder how much you will be missed when you are gone, put your hand in a bucket of water. Take it out quickly and the hole left behind will represent how much you will be missed."

Ram Hockey · Post by **Ram Hockey** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:03 am

hipcheck wrote:#31 has brought this group to state tournaments as Peewees and Bantams.

The whole community will have feelings one way or the other, but his ex-teammates are the ones that matter the most. Good luck #31.

"If you wonder how much you will be missed when you are gone, put your hand in a bucket of water. Take it out quickly and the hole left behind will represent how much you will be missed."

I wasn't aware that #31 Ethan Kvidt was going anywhere?

hipcheck · Post by **hipcheck** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:52 am

Had a brain freeze from all the snow. Just when the golf game was getting in bounds too!

pistol · Post by **pistol** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:40 pm

packerboy wrote:They take AP courses in high school and have a semester of college in before they even start.

Those AP courses should give honors credits as well.

hockeyfan32 · Post by **hockeyfan32** » Thu May 15, 2008 11:49 pm

Who will take over the job for Mike Lee..??

Puckguy19 · Post by **Puckguy19** » Fri May 16, 2008 9:03 am

hockeyfan32 wrote:Who will take over the job for Mike Lee..??

I would guess Mekash and Kvidt would compete for the spot.

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