The St. Cloud roster for Advanced 15

[WoodStickSniper]

Who are the kids who made it and who did they play for last season?

[bigpoppababy]

Austin Lanoue - Moose Lake Bantam B

[northwoods oldtimer]

bigpoppa,
Can you give a list of D-11 kids that made it to St. Cloud? Thanks.

[bigpoppababy]

Unfortunately, no I can't. So far, I just know who from our Association made it. If I hear anything else, I'll put it out.

[frederick61]

bigpoppa,
Can you give a list of D-11 kids that made it to St. Cloud? Thanks.

The list of D11 kids that played in Advanced 15 at New Hope last week.

G-Lanouve/Moose Lake
F-Gauthier/Proctor
F-Hammann/Cloquet
D-Kolquist/Hermantown
D-Gassert/Moose Lake
D-Bushey/Duluth Lakers
D-LaBlanc/Hermantown
D-Repin ski/Duluth East
D-Welinski/Duluth East
D-Jokinen/Cloquet
F-Olson/Duluth East
F-Renier/Duluth East
G-Kelley/Silver Bay
F-Kero/Duluth Denfield
F-Wrazidlo/Duluth Lakers
F-Magnuson/Duluth Lakers
F-Peterson/Duluth Lakers
F-Rich/Duluth Lakers
F-Robertson/Hermantown

[iamlegend99]

15's is a joke. you get graded on points. and you get a certain amount of points for being on V,JV, or bantam. and it has everything to do with politics. why cant we just have one team that has everything to do with skill and hockey smarts? and not who your daddy is.

[GR3343]

15's is a joke. you get graded on points. and you get a certain amount of points for being on V,JV, or bantam. and it has everything to do with politics. why cant we just have one team that has everything to do with skill and hockey smarts? and not who your daddy is.

Because somewhere along the line, it got to be normal. Any of the Select or Advanced programs have now become a joke. Look around, even the NTDP is not producing D1 recruits at the clip Junior A teams are. It's a rich man's or popularity club. There is no one that will ever convince me otherwise. Sure there are many kids that belong at that level, however, the integrity of the process is very, very suspect. When you look at it(the camp they are all striving for)what's it for anyhow? Another notch in their belt and mom and dad can say they made it. It's also another bunch of money in someone's pocket. You can say what you want about Xposure camps and USHL Showcase's, but at least there, you get what you pay for. Not the promise of something better. When you're dealing with one National program that accepts 40 or so players at two levels and are supposedly considered the best, what are the real chances? When a brochure and letter is delivered to a player that says "Players are selected based on tryout performance" but the player finds out that most of who is selected is based on past reputation, past season performance, and other mitigating factors, than how is that the American Dream. The USA Advanced Program at ALL levels has become a hoax and a smoke screen for someone to make money. Like I said, there are many talented players that participate, but there are many, many more that are shunned. While no tryout process is without flaws, the Advanced program, at least in Minnesota is extremely suspect. In a tryout situation such as they promise, a player should be graded on how they perform at that tryout. Not how their past season was, or if they made it the year before, or if someone thought they should have made it and had an off day. In my experience with what's out there, this program is the most advertised and hyped, but is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to selecting true talent. Somewhere along the line, selecting the best players or even the right ones as Herb Brooks used to say has gotten overlooked in place of taking the ones they feel "should" have made it.
Tremendous waste of talent and resources in my opinion.

And for those of you who want to make this about me being bitter if my kid wasn't selected, he's been selected for many other things that have offered him more opportunities than the Advanced/Select program has ever offered.

[Factsmatter1]

GR33**

You summed it up well. The advanced programs have become the inside joke around the state. I am surprised they can't get their act together and that MN hockey continues to expose themselves to such negative perception due to the poor tryout process. If any of their associations used such a poor process they would have a mutiny on their hands. Hope they fix it because they do other things well but this program has become laughable.

[goep]

GR33**

You summed it up well. The advanced programs have become the inside joke around the state. I am surprised they can't get their act together and that MN hockey continues to expose themselves to such negative perception due to the poor tryout process. If any of their associations used such a poor process they would have a mutiny on their hands. Hope they fix it because they do other things well but this program has become laughable.

Be Glad your kid had a chance. I am sure that somewhere along the line he got the benefit of the doubt, and now he didn't. Relax, if he is good they will find him.

[Factsmatter1]

GOEP,

The point still stands the process is poor and everyone knows it. If any association conducted a tryout process like most of the districts (not all) the parents wouldn't stand for it. It even puts the folks who are asked to pick/judge in a bad position. Everyone knows the right formula.... 6-9 out of the town (or district) judges, coaches get to decided the last 2-3 on the bubble. Process is the problem not the people.

[bigpoppababy]

GOEP,

The point still stands the process is poor and everyone knows it. If any association conducted a tryout process like most of the districts (not all) the parents wouldn't stand for it. It even puts the folks who are asked to pick/judge in a bad position. Everyone knows the right formula.... 6-9 out of the town (or district) judges, coaches get to decided the last 2-3 on the bubble. Process is the problem not the people.

Will someone explain to me what the "poor process" is? If it is what I think your talking about, I saw it in a few districts where most of the kids on a team all came from the same program.

I watched our Districts tryouts, and thought they were very well run, the kids that stood out throughout the tryouts made it. Hell, they won the spring festival with only two hour long practices. I think the coaches selected a very solid team. I was impressed they gave everyone a chance (including a couple from small towns and B level). These kids represented our District well.

I'm honestly not sure where the glitch is. Hopefully, someone can explain it to me!

[keepmeoutofit]

i'd like to know more about the problems with the process as well.

i watched the tryouts in our district and many of the games in new hope.
i thought they did a pretty good job in the district.
i havent seen the roster yet for the next group so i really cant comment yet.
the only comments i've heard we're about a parent who admitted that his son had a bad tryout but that his boy was the better player. that parent is throwing politics around as the reason his son didnt make it.
my point is that some people feel its politics when their child isnt given credit for his past and some feel its politics when the child is given credit.
i'm sure that some politics is played but i dont believe that most of the kids that made it dont belong there.
i would like to understand the issues.

[goep]

GOEP,

The point still stands the process is poor and everyone knows it. If any association conducted a tryout process like most of the districts (not all) the parents wouldn't stand for it. It even puts the folks who are asked to pick/judge in a bad position. Everyone knows the right formula.... 6-9 out of the town (or district) judges, coaches get to decided the last 2-3 on the bubble. Process is the problem not the people.

The point still stands. What does that mean? Obviously not everyone thinks the process is wrong(Look at the other comments). Seriously, wait until your kids are done with hockey, and then come back to work with Minnesota Hockey to help them improve on they're so called process problem.

[wannagototherink]

GOEP,

The point still stands the process is poor and everyone knows it. If any association conducted a tryout process like most of the districts (not all) the parents wouldn't stand for it. It even puts the folks who are asked to pick/judge in a bad position. Everyone knows the right formula.... 6-9 out of the town (or district) judges, coaches get to decided the last 2-3 on the bubble. Process is the problem not the people.

The point still stands. What does that mean? Obviously not everyone thinks the process is wrong(Look at the other comments). Seriously, wait until your kids are done with hockey, and then come back to work with Minnesota Hockey to help them improve on they're so called process problem.

I think the approach to take is this...To stay out of the Advanced program from the beginning. Once you are in and make it through a couple of steps you realize that it really isn't worth it. It's over priced, mediocrely coached and the organization is really suspect. Now of course the coaching and organizating will differ from district to district. Here is the problem, once you are in and you make it through and now you realize it isn't worth the bang for the buck, it is too late...If you turn them down the next year or the year after than they hold it against you and on some level black ball you from there on out. If you stay off the list at the 15 level than they don't hold it against you. I've had three kids go through and I'm dealing with my fourth.

Kid one: did 15 & 16 but turned down 17's and lets just say I was disappointed in what was said about him because he wanted to play baseball.

Kid two: Played all three years and they tried to sell him to everyone.

Kid three: didn't get involved, playing high level hockey right now despite

Kid four: Will be following the model of kid three


Thats is just my opinion from having gone through it

[Factsmatter1]

The fact that opinions differ so much makes my point.

Some districts conduct the tryout process very professionally by bringing in 5 plus judges from outside the district therefore ensuring an arms length unbiased process. The result is that they get the top players in the district as they advertise. Most folks from these districts think the process is generally fair. Other districts send 2-3 coaches from the district to pick and coach the team. This is a flawed process. No decent association would use a process like this where the coaches from the district would pick the team or you would have a mutiny by the parents. When you use this approach where 2-3 coaches inside the district pickie the team you get a whole slew of headaches which breeds a lot of distrust deserved or not... I am not blaming the coaches. It is human nature to go on what you know. The key is to NOT know anyone going in which leads to the better solution....

If you use the 5 plus judge approach with judges from outside the district then you just get the occassional bubble headaches which will always happen but no one can reasonably question the process. This is the way most if not all associations conduct tryouts so why doesn't MN hockey wake up and standardize the process. Isn't this what we pay them for...?
This program will continue to suffer from parental distrust until they standardize this process across the state. That's my only point about process...

If you want a litmus test for the districts with poor process look at the festival results relative to district strength as a starting point. Strong districts with mediocre results relative to expectations probably points to a poorly managed district tryout process. And conversely weaker districts who a had good showing relative to expectations across the tournament probably had a better process.

Just one person's humble opinion. What I am missing....?

[hockey4L]

[quote="iamlegend99"]15's is a joke. you get graded on points. and you get a certain amount of points for being on V,JV, or bantam.


so ur saying that if u didnt play JV, or V u have a very slim chance of making the minnesota national team?

[keepmeoutofit]

i see what you mean at the district but you think the process gets better after it goes from the district to the festival?
does this mean that the evaluation of the players at the festival was more objective?
and wheres the roster by the way

[iamlegend99]

hockey4L
yes you have a slimmer chance of making the team.

which this is really not the right way to pick a team because better people could have played bantams than jv or maybe v. i think the 16's and 17's are more accurate than the 15's picks.

[Tony Soprano]

I have been closely involved with all 3 levels 15's, to 17's and I can tell you I have seen good and bad situations. One thing they could do to help the cause is create a model tryout process outline for each section to follow that is organized from the time you first enter a meeting or registration. As it is now, each district or section can pretty much do whatever they want.

Now of course you cannot make each district or section do everything the same, they need to have some room to tweak the process or you might not be able to get some quality hockey people to participate. I have seen very poorly un-organized tryouts that do not represent the object of the process at all. On the other hand I have seen very well organized tryouts as well, but there is a lack of consistency.

I also agree that outside evaluators are a must and should not be from the same district or section. This really does make for a non-biased process. In the end there will always be discussions from those that did not make the team, but that will never stop. But a well run tryout format can eliminate a lot of the negativity in the end.

Players should also not be picked solely based upon what they did in the past, they need to be selected based upon there efforts during the tryouts. I have seen too many players ride upon there name or solely on there stats during the season. When they are picked for those reasons, why be surprised when they conduct themselves the same way each tryout until somebody does not select them. They need to start learning to work for what they want, not just receive it for showing up. That is a fault of the system that can breed bad habits into the players. Remember the players are still just kids, the people conducting the tryouts should be the adults.

I think the process has it's place, but too many people think that if they fo not make these teams, their hockey future is over. That is not the case. This is just a step along the way that can help, but is not the only factor involved in the futrure of any hockey player.

[keepmeoutofit]

i didnt notice that many jv/varsity at new hope. we still have the program and when i looked at it i counted 27 out of 240. that doesnt seem like a big number.
i think one big advantage goes to kids with birthdays from january to june they go from being the younger kids on the ice to older.
still no roster

[greybeard58]

Which Districts are you talking about that have a poor try out?

[WoodStickSniper]

What are the names of the kids who made it up to st.cloud?

[hockey4L]

does anyone know when the rosters of the st.cloud teams will be posted on minnesotahockey.org?

[greybeard58]

Heard a rumor not all letters had been received and that by thursday the names should be posted.

[Rocket78]

15's is a joke. you get graded on points. and you get a certain amount of points for being on V,JV, or bantam. and it has everything to do with politics. why cant we just have one team that has everything to do with skill and hockey smarts? and not who your daddy is.

Legend, if you check this link out http://www.minnesotahockey.org/assorted ... osters.pdf you will see many, many bantam A players and very few high school players. Hmmm, maybe the points system is higher for bantams than it is for varsity. Or maybe you were just wrong.