Just thought this was interesting about D6

[oldtimer64]

Here are the records of all the PWA teams the last 4 years.

1. Edina 56-7-1
2. E.P. 47-10-7
3. Chaska 45-13-6
4. Apple Valley 38-21-5
5. Minnetonka 36-22-6
6. Burnsville 35-22-7
7. Jefferson 24-37-3
8. Prior Lake 17-28-3 (only been in d6 3 seasons)
9. Eastview 20-40-4
10. Kennedy 8-51-5
11. Shakopee 2-59-3

Here are the Bantam A last 4 years

1. Edina 56-5-3
2. E.P. 53-8-3
3. Burnsville 44-17-3
4. Jefferson 43-15-6
5. Minnetonka 36-20-8
6. Chaska 33-27-4
7. Apple Valley 20-44
8. Eastview 16-46-2
9. Prior Lake 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
10. Shakopee 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
11. Kennedy 7-54-3


I have a few of questions.

1. Why don't Kennedy and Jefferson merge?

2. Why won't Edina field more than 1 A team at all levels?

3. If you look at what some teams did in peewees and than look at them in bantams there are some big turnarounds. (not really a question).

[SuperStar]

That is a pretty good analysis. The biggest changes seem to be:

Jefferson goes UP 3 levels - No need for them to merge - Have Kennedy play in a different district.

If anyone should merge, maybe Eastview & Apple Valley? AV is tied with Chaska in having the biggest downfall from PWA to BantamA - dropping 3 "spots" from PWA to Bantam A level...Eastview actually goes up 1 "spot" from PWA to Bantam A.


Something to think about..

[Lowstickside]

Interesting numbers. Looks like top PWA and BA programs roll right into top H.S. teams with a few exceptions.

Do top AV Bantams leave for H.S. (Eastview and AV) after one year causing decline in wins for AV BA?

Are AV PWA wins due to a few exceptional players? PWA team this year was short a few players. Do BA numbers decline?

Kennedy can merge with Richfield/Jefferson and play D1 with Richfield or D6 with Jefferson.

Shakopee/Prior Lake can go to D8 or D4 - just go somewhere. Shakopee can look at not having "A" teams at PWA and BA levels. The record speaks for itself.

[kopernicus]

Lowstickside says; "Kennedy can merge with Richfield/Jefferson and play D1 with Richfield or D6 with Jefferson. "

Superstar says; "That is a pretty good analysis. The biggest changes seem to be:

Jefferson goes UP 3 levels - No need for them to merge - Have Kennedy play in a different district. "

oldtimer64 asks; "Why don't Kennedy and Jefferson merge?"

I would argue that at this point, Kennedy is acting as a feeder program for Jefferson as players get older. From casual observation, Jefferson's (very competitive) HS teams typically have a full line of players who live in the Kennedy HS enrollment boundaries. They are benefitting from open enrollment

There have been talks in the recent past to merge associations that have not been fruitful- mainly due to association pride and history on all sides of the table.

I guess I would reinforce the idea that the skaters participating in the Kennedy Eagles program are still having fun and enjoying the game despite the analysis findings. There is always going to be a winner and a loser.

Some programs are better run and have more resources available to them and they should deserve to find success. Don't confuse that with a lack of competitiveness, though. Ask the Jaguar squirts how many games they won against the Eagles last season for a different perspective.

[Mac15]

Here are the records of all the PWA teams the last 4 years.

1. Edina 56-7-1
2. E.P. 47-10-7
3. Chaska 45-13-6
4. Apple Valley 38-21-5
5. Minnetonka 36-22-6
6. Burnsville 35-22-7
7. Jefferson 24-37-3
8. Prior Lake 17-28-3 (only been in d6 3 seasons)
9. Eastview 20-40-4
10. Kennedy 8-51-5
11. Shakopee 2-59-3

Here are the Bantam A last 4 years

1. Edina 56-5-3
2. E.P. 53-8-3
3. Burnsville 44-17-3
4. Jefferson 43-15-6
5. Minnetonka 36-20-8
6. Chaska 33-27-4
7. Apple Valley 20-44
8. Eastview 16-46-2
9. Prior Lake 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
10. Shakopee 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
11. Kennedy 7-54-3


I have a few of questions.

1. Why don't Kennedy and Jefferson merge?

2. Why won't Edina field more than 1 A team at all levels?

3. If you look at what some teams did in peewees and than look at them in bantams there are some big turnarounds. (not really a question).

If you have time, get the records going back to the 02-03 season. To compare apples to apples you should compare the peewee records of the 02-03 through 05-06 seasons against the bantam records of the 04-05 through 07-08 seasons. This will track the same kids not two different sets of kids. I'd be curious if the same trend holds.

[Mac15]

Here are the records of all the PWA teams the last 4 years.

1. Edina 56-7-1
2. E.P. 47-10-7
3. Chaska 45-13-6
4. Apple Valley 38-21-5
5. Minnetonka 36-22-6
6. Burnsville 35-22-7
7. Jefferson 24-37-3
8. Prior Lake 17-28-3 (only been in d6 3 seasons)
9. Eastview 20-40-4
10. Kennedy 8-51-5
11. Shakopee 2-59-3

Here are the Bantam A last 4 years

1. Edina 56-5-3
2. E.P. 53-8-3
3. Burnsville 44-17-3
4. Jefferson 43-15-6
5. Minnetonka 36-20-8
6. Chaska 33-27-4
7. Apple Valley 20-44
8. Eastview 16-46-2
9. Prior Lake 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
10. Shakopee 7-40-1 (only 3 seasons)
11. Kennedy 7-54-3


I have a few of questions.

1. Why don't Kennedy and Jefferson merge?

2. Why won't Edina field more than 1 A team at all levels?

3. If you look at what some teams did in peewees and than look at them in bantams there are some big turnarounds. (not really a question).

If you have time, get the records going back to the 02-03 season. To compare apples to apples you should compare the peewee records of the 02-03 through 05-06 seasons against the bantam records of the 04-05 through 07-08 seasons. This will track the same kids not two different sets of kids. I'd be curious if the same trend holds.

[southernfool]

I think this simple analysis shows a few things that most people who follow hockey are aware of:

1) Edina has the most consistantly good teams in D6 and remains a powerhouse in hockey (by the way, let them have their one A team and have success. Splitting their program may develop more kids but I have seen their B1 teams and they are having plenty of success so I don't think the arguement probably rings true)

2) Chaska has a great youth program but is having trouble retaining their better players as they get older. If they can ever get them to stick around they could be a tough program to beat.

3) Jefferson totally benefits from the players bailing out of Kennedy. PW records show primariily their youth program and Bantam records show what happens when you pick up the best players from Kennedy. One more solid line on a team makes a huge difference.

4) Burnsville is an up and coming program that has rebuilt their youth program and now having great success. Their success at the youth level has transferred to the H.S. level and they seem to be keeping their best players.

5) Eden Prairie is another power house youth program that has not been able to break through the H.S. level. The next several years could be their years if they can keep their best players. Next to Edina, they have one of the largest youth hockey programs.

6) Minnetonka is a very consistant performer and you never want to forget about them. They always seem to compete at all levels.

[lxhockey]

Prior Lake and Shakopee did not compete at Bantam A their first 2 years in D6. These two associations have demographics that support consistent future growth. Let's hope they can get their act together with better coaches and a program to nurture that growth.

[tomASS]

2) Chaska has a great youth program but is having trouble retaining their better players as they get older. If they can ever get them to stick around they could be a tough program to beat.

I don't think Chaska has trouble retaining - many of the top players have always been on track to pursue private HS education based on their primary school education. I don't think there is much an association can do retain players whose parents have made that educational choice.

Carver County would have fielded a heck of a HS all-star team this year.