packerboy.....what do you realy think....don't hold back on us!packerboy wrote:The hockey tournament makes a million dollars and the money goes to put on the tennis and golf tournaments and then the individual schools want to cut hockey because its too expensive or charge people hundreds of dollars to play.
Even though elliott and his commmie pals support such a system, I say we need change.
I dont trust the public school system to do anything, let alone support our sports programs which are so vital to HS age kids.
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Not true, my shirt was not flannel, but 'under there, under wear'...packerboy wrote:I dont know how to fix all of the problems that exist in our schools.
But if we can save sports by having the people who play pay, then lets do it.
I have been an advocate for years of taking hockey away from the high schools. This is one of the reasons why.
The hockey tournament makes a million dollars and the money goes to put on the tennis and golf tournaments and then the individual schools want to cut hockey because its too expensive or charge people hundreds of dollars to play.
Even though elliott and his commmie pals support such a system, I say we need change.
By the way, elliott spent the whole weekend at the tournament in a sweat shirt and didnt even bring any flannel with him. I dont trust the public school system to do anything, let alone support our sports programs which are so vital to HS age kids.
it was cold.
There was a time when they hung (or put them on the guillotine) the people that kept putting a division between themselves and the lower-middle class.packerboy wrote:I dont know how to fix all of the problems that exist in our schools.
But if we can save sports by having the people who play pay, then lets do it.
I have been an advocate for years of taking hockey away from the high schools. This is one of the reasons why.
The hockey tournament makes a million dollars and the money goes to put on the tennis and golf tournaments and then the individual schools want to cut hockey because its too expensive or charge people hundreds of dollars to play.
Even though elliott and his commmie pals support such a system, I say we need change.
By the way, elliott spent the whole weekend at the tournament in a sweat shirt and didnt even bring any flannel with him.
I dont trust the public school system to do anything, let alone support our sports programs which are so vital to HS age kids.
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How much money did the private school tournament make 35 years ago?Silent But Deadly wrote:packerboy.....what do you realy think....don't hold back on us!packerboy wrote:The hockey tournament makes a million dollars and the money goes to put on the tennis and golf tournaments and then the individual schools want to cut hockey because its too expensive or charge people hundreds of dollars to play.
Even though elliott and his commmie pals support such a system, I say we need change.
I dont trust the public school system to do anything, let alone support our sports programs which are so vital to HS age kids.
Why did the private schools want to join the MSHSL?
Your logic is built on the beach, soon to be washed away by the tide.
If you build on the rock and you shall persevere.
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elliott70 wrote:Then let them eat cake and give up on counting on the beaurucrats in government to make decisions for us and pay our way.packerboy wrote:I dont know how to fix all of the problems that exist in our schools.
But if we can save sports by having the people who play pay, then lets do it.
There was a time when they hung the people that kept putting a division between themselves and the lower-middle class.
elliott says "Let the political hacks do it for us". I say "ask not what your school district can do for you but ask how much more do I have to pay now".
No pay, no play.
packerboy wrote:The political hacks are your neighbors. They could be you.elliott70 wrote:Then let them eat cake and give up on counting on the beaurucrats in government to make decisions for us and pay our way.packerboy wrote:I dont know how to fix all of the problems that exist in our schools.
But if we can save sports by having the people who play pay, then lets do it.
There was a time when they hung the people that kept putting a division between themselves and the lower-middle class.
elliott says "Let the political hacks do it for us". I say "ask not what your school district can do for you but ask how much more do I have to pay now".
No pay, no play.
Doing away with government is not the answer.
Being involved is.
We all need to provide for the common, it should not be those that have, get.
It was once said, 'the first thing we need to do is kill all the attorneys.'
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elliott70 wrote:No, I need to provide for myself, all men may be created equal, but i am not responsible if they do nothing with what they are given (this has nothing to do with hockey or Brainerd either).packerboy wrote:We all need to provide for the common, it should not be those that have, get.elliott70 wrote: Then let them eat cake and give up on counting on the beaurucrats in government to make decisions for us and pay our way.
elliott says "Let the political hacks do it for us". I say "ask not what your school district can do for you but ask how much more do I have to pay now".
No pay, no play.
If we didn't have conflict we'd all be pretty bored
Thats the problem. The political hacks are my neighbors.You dont know my neighbors. Bad news.
Sure, the authors can live in their flannel shirt world and write a bunch of stuff down and sell it , but America needs some real answers.
If people cant afford to pay their own way, I feel their pain.
We can handle that. We will take care of em. What will the school district do? Take away their sports, thats what they'll do.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
The fear of doing it ourselves.
Less government, more sports.
Thats what my administration will provide to all US Americans.
Sure, the authors can live in their flannel shirt world and write a bunch of stuff down and sell it , but America needs some real answers.
If people cant afford to pay their own way, I feel their pain.
We can handle that. We will take care of em. What will the school district do? Take away their sports, thats what they'll do.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
The fear of doing it ourselves.
Less government, more sports.
Thats what my administration will provide to all US Americans.
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Silent But Deadly
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This is going to need to move to the CAFE pretty soon!packerboy wrote:Thats the problem. The political hacks are my neighbors.You dont know my neighbors. Bad news.
Sure, the authors can live in their flannel shirt world and write a bunch of stuff down and sell it , but America needs some real answers.
If people cant afford to pay their own way, I feel their pain.
We can handle that. We will take care of em. What will the school district do? Take away their sports, thats what they'll do.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
The fear of doing it ourselves.
Less government, more sports.
The Cafe, where PB and I thrive.Silent But Deadly wrote:This is going to need to move to the CAFE pretty soon!packerboy wrote:Thats the problem. The political hacks are my neighbors.You dont know my neighbors. Bad news.
Sure, the authors can live in their flannel shirt world and write a bunch of stuff down and sell it , but America needs some real answers.
If people cant afford to pay their own way, I feel their pain.
We can handle that. We will take care of em. What will the school district do? Take away their sports, thats what they'll do.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
The fear of doing it ourselves.
Less government, more sports.
Isn't "across the board" more efficient?
I certainly don't have the qualifications to be a $200K /yr Superintendent. However, they are often compared to CEO's to justify their relatively high salary, in "public service". When private companies have cash flow problems. Do they usually eliminate complete departments,......or do they more often make cuts across the board? Maybe slightly higher cuts in less profitable departments, but isn't it usually across the board?
It was stated earlier that the sports budget is 3% of the total. Wouldn't it be better to reduce each department of the budget 3% across the board, rather than totally eliminate a 3% part of the budget? I am pretty sure that sports is not the primary cause the excessive budget costs. The other 97% of the budget has contributed in the cost overrun.
Furthermore, eliminating sports is only a temporary fix. What 3% of the budget are they going to cut when they are over budget in two years. At some point the other 97% of the budget needs to be addressed.
It was stated earlier that the sports budget is 3% of the total. Wouldn't it be better to reduce each department of the budget 3% across the board, rather than totally eliminate a 3% part of the budget? I am pretty sure that sports is not the primary cause the excessive budget costs. The other 97% of the budget has contributed in the cost overrun.
Furthermore, eliminating sports is only a temporary fix. What 3% of the budget are they going to cut when they are over budget in two years. At some point the other 97% of the budget needs to be addressed.
HOW much does the Title IX and No Child left behind affect this all?
You can't do it, but should make sure the HS Girls Hockey pays for renting out of XCEL from their budget when the free rent ends?
Maybe have the parents that put together the law suit come up with the cash?
If not, it that will definatly drive the view cost of hockey in the HS school system to go up?
Then we both get a black eye for the sport?
You can't do it, but should make sure the HS Girls Hockey pays for renting out of XCEL from their budget when the free rent ends?
Maybe have the parents that put together the law suit come up with the cash?
If not, it that will definatly drive the view cost of hockey in the HS school system to go up?
Then we both get a black eye for the sport?
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No Child Left Behind plays a significant role. The amount of money that is spent on it is outrageous. Again, the suits at the capitol building and our Federal Govt. are to thank for it.Stealth wrote:HOW much does the Title IX and No Child left behind affect this all?
You can't do it, but should make sure the HS Girls Hockey pays for renting out of XCEL from their budget when the free rent ends?
Maybe have the parents that put together the law suit come up with the cash?
If not, it that will definatly drive the view cost of hockey in the HS school system to go up?
Then we both get a black eye for the sport?
Give the power to the parents and teachers. They know what is best for the children.
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Re: Isn't "across the board" more efficient?
That's a home run post!Knowlzee wrote:I certainly don't have the qualifications to be a $200K /yr Superintendent. However, they are often compared to CEO's to justify their relatively high salary, in "public service". When private companies have cash flow problems. Do they usually eliminate complete departments,......or do they more often make cuts across the board? Maybe slightly higher cuts in less profitable departments, but isn't it usually across the board?
It was stated earlier that the sports budget is 3% of the total. Wouldn't it be better to reduce each department of the budget 3% across the board, rather than totally eliminate a 3% part of the budget? I am pretty sure that sports is not the primary cause the excessive budget costs. The other 97% of the budget has contributed in the cost overrun.
Furthermore, eliminating sports is only a temporary fix. What 3% of the budget are they going to cut when they are over budget in two years. At some point the other 97% of the budget needs to be addressed.
Your exactly right they will gobble up that 3% in no time.
When did school stop being for the students, and geared more to the people running them?
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PB needs to get out of the metro area.
Most outstate towns sense of community comes from their sports teams, notice Brainerd didn't whack their successfull football or baseball teams. If you're trying to save money football costs a heck of a lot more than the wrestling program that got whacked. If you take away that sense of pride then you'll have even more trouble getting any bond passed. When there's a disconnect betweent the schools and the community the schools are in trouble, Austin is good example of this. 10 years ago my school district was faced with 2 choices; build a new school as ours was condemmed or consolidate with a nearby school. The first bond referendum to build a new school was defeated soundly leaving 1 option, consolidate. That meant losing our school and sports teams, once that became more than appearant the next bond referendum passed easily. Brainerd is probably too big for that to happen there, but the point remains, the biggest connection most of the community has to its schools are through their sports teams.
Schools need to work within their budget, most are having the same problem as corporate America, too many mid level people eating up too much of the budget doing redundant jobs. You need the teachers, you need the janitors, you need the principals and counselors. You don't need the curriculum writers, teacher development people, diveristy people, etc. at twice the rate teachers are paid. If the tax payers really new what schools spent their money on, the 3% cut in athletics would seem stupid in comparison.
Most outstate towns sense of community comes from their sports teams, notice Brainerd didn't whack their successfull football or baseball teams. If you're trying to save money football costs a heck of a lot more than the wrestling program that got whacked. If you take away that sense of pride then you'll have even more trouble getting any bond passed. When there's a disconnect betweent the schools and the community the schools are in trouble, Austin is good example of this. 10 years ago my school district was faced with 2 choices; build a new school as ours was condemmed or consolidate with a nearby school. The first bond referendum to build a new school was defeated soundly leaving 1 option, consolidate. That meant losing our school and sports teams, once that became more than appearant the next bond referendum passed easily. Brainerd is probably too big for that to happen there, but the point remains, the biggest connection most of the community has to its schools are through their sports teams.
Schools need to work within their budget, most are having the same problem as corporate America, too many mid level people eating up too much of the budget doing redundant jobs. You need the teachers, you need the janitors, you need the principals and counselors. You don't need the curriculum writers, teacher development people, diveristy people, etc. at twice the rate teachers are paid. If the tax payers really new what schools spent their money on, the 3% cut in athletics would seem stupid in comparison.
goldy needs to quit hangin around the Mayo Clinic and breathing in all that ether.
Sure goldy, there is a real big time connection going on between our communities and schools in the outstate area....in your dreams.
Whats going on is "no more money for you, school district"..."Ok , well no more sports for you then, community" Some connection. Its real touching.
Kids get caught in the middle.
Pay to play. That takes sports out of the tug of war. Now, if the district wants to cut back they will have to find something else.
Keep America strong.
Pay to play.
Sure goldy, there is a real big time connection going on between our communities and schools in the outstate area....in your dreams.
Whats going on is "no more money for you, school district"..."Ok , well no more sports for you then, community" Some connection. Its real touching.
Kids get caught in the middle.
Pay to play. That takes sports out of the tug of war. Now, if the district wants to cut back they will have to find something else.
Keep America strong.
Pay to play.
Pay to play.
Pay for school.
Pay to drive.
Pay for police protection.
Pay for national defense.
Pay for health care.
Pay for food, a place to sleep, pay to confine your own criminals,
pay, pay, pay....
We decided a long-time ago, that together we should pay for some things of the common good.
Now, our kids education and the benefits of extracurricular are no longer included in this net of common good?
Oh, wait a minute, in Brainerd tehy aer included asa long you participate in adapted floor hockey, dance, or FOOTBALL, OR BASKETBALL, OR BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get me a good attorney, because how can you let thsoe expensive sports that I fo not wnat to fund stay around,while a sport like hockey, which costs the district nothing until high school is scrapped (along with some other quality programs).
Common on Packerboy, stnad up for the poor rural person, the little guy, the common man. Remember, very few are rich SOB's like me. Most are pretty nice guys. They want their kids to have a chance. Can it be done cheaper, sure, but they are not going that route. Kick the ones we don't like out the door and the others go on with their bidgets (perhaps enhanced).
Rise up America,
'kill' all the attorneys, cut the administration, hire and elect those that stand up for the little guy, for the kids.
We have to do it together or it will not get done.
Pay for school.
Pay to drive.
Pay for police protection.
Pay for national defense.
Pay for health care.
Pay for food, a place to sleep, pay to confine your own criminals,
pay, pay, pay....
We decided a long-time ago, that together we should pay for some things of the common good.
Now, our kids education and the benefits of extracurricular are no longer included in this net of common good?
Oh, wait a minute, in Brainerd tehy aer included asa long you participate in adapted floor hockey, dance, or FOOTBALL, OR BASKETBALL, OR BASEBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get me a good attorney, because how can you let thsoe expensive sports that I fo not wnat to fund stay around,while a sport like hockey, which costs the district nothing until high school is scrapped (along with some other quality programs).
Common on Packerboy, stnad up for the poor rural person, the little guy, the common man. Remember, very few are rich SOB's like me. Most are pretty nice guys. They want their kids to have a chance. Can it be done cheaper, sure, but they are not going that route. Kick the ones we don't like out the door and the others go on with their bidgets (perhaps enhanced).
Rise up America,
'kill' all the attorneys, cut the administration, hire and elect those that stand up for the little guy, for the kids.
We have to do it together or it will not get done.
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The group Warrior way will save the sports in Brainerd. Here again its the private sector paying for the mistakes made by the school board-adm.
I hope all coaches in the distrist give to the warrior way. It is a wake- up call- I think in the long run it will be good for Brainerd- in that more people are having discussion about our schools. It has to be a two way street. teachers have one year left on their current contract. at that time maybe a strike will occur- to get things back in line.
I hope all coaches in the distrist give to the warrior way. It is a wake- up call- I think in the long run it will be good for Brainerd- in that more people are having discussion about our schools. It has to be a two way street. teachers have one year left on their current contract. at that time maybe a strike will occur- to get things back in line.
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I dont see how a strike would help,It hurts everyonegreat hockey mind wrote:The group Warrior way will save the sports in Brainerd. Here again its the private sector paying for the mistakes made by the school board-adm.
I hope all coaches in the distrist give to the warrior way. It is a wake- up call- I think in the long run it will be good for Brainerd- in that more people are having discussion about our schools. It has to be a two way street. teachers have one year left on their current contract. at that time maybe a strike will occur- to get things back in line.
The boundries of this "net of common good " are flexible, elliott.
More government means more control over our lives. The admins and bearucrats hold us hostage because we think letting them do it for us is in the common good.
Sure , you can blame it on lawyers but the real issue is the high cost of a good hooker these days. That NY Gov was payng $1,000 bucks an hour. Hell, even I cant charge that.
Pay to play. Thats what Spitzer did and look how well things are going for him.
Maybe he can run for school superintendant now.
Give America back to the people. But only those who can pay for it. Thats what we must accomplish together.
More government means more control over our lives. The admins and bearucrats hold us hostage because we think letting them do it for us is in the common good.
Sure , you can blame it on lawyers but the real issue is the high cost of a good hooker these days. That NY Gov was payng $1,000 bucks an hour. Hell, even I cant charge that.
Pay to play. Thats what Spitzer did and look how well things are going for him.
Maybe he can run for school superintendant now.
Give America back to the people. But only those who can pay for it. Thats what we must accomplish together.
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past rapids- a strike is the only way you can break the union. wages and benifits make-up over 80% of the budget. They are not living in the real world any more. retire at 55 with full medical and wages. I know what would happen to me if I went on strike - my boss would tell me to take a hike. There has been no talks of cutting wages or benifits for teachers or adm. only lay-off the non-tender employers. Brainerd is lossing good teachers- I do not like the seniority system at all.
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Why would you want to break the union,most towns in northern mn are union made with good pay and benifits.If we didnt have unions we all would be under control of big brother with 6 dollar an hour jobs and minimual medical benifits and no retirement.So if you are anti union watch what you buy,mostly union made.great hockey mind wrote:past rapids- a strike is the only way you can break the union. wages and benifits make-up over 80% of the budget. They are not living in the real world any more. retire at 55 with full medical and wages. I know what would happen to me if I went on strike - my boss would tell me to take a hike. There has been no talks of cutting wages or benifits for teachers or adm. only lay-off the non-tender employers. Brainerd is lossing good teachers- I do not like the seniority system at all.