can someone upset STA this year?

[deacon]

who cares anyway, its class A. play with the real men at AA! STA should make the jump like Roseau did if they're so good. they dont even fill the bottom bowl of the xcel, i'd rather play in front of 18,000.

yea and st. thomas prolly has more guys in their school then most AA teams anyway

well, as it turns out, we know how many guys go to STA. So, your theory holds true when schools have <595 guys in the school.

[OldTimeHockey08]

Maybe they should just become a prep team like shattuck cuz no one likes them, except them.. Let them go play meaningless games somewhere else

[deacon]

Maybe they should just become a prep team like shattuck cuz no one likes them, except them.. Let them go play meaningless games somewhere else

worst idea ever.

[HShockeywatcher]

Cabela10, my point still remains. I went to a 7-12 school where the high school was 9-12. But some metro schools are 10-12 because of size. Which is why it had been brought up in the past that 10-12 numbers were used.

Also Cabela10, your point about moving to AA is why I've been saying they should opt up.

[Cabela10]

Also Cabela10, your point about moving to AA is why I've been saying they should opt up.

I agree, they should opt up. STA already won the small school tourney and I don't see their pipeline will stop anytime soon. Why not try for the big school championship now. I don't understand STA's thinking. Just because you opt up, doesn't mean you have to stay there for 10 years, I believe you can go back down in 2 years.

[deacon]

i'm not saying that they should move up or they shouldn't, but here is some insight into how people at STA think and where they think they belong.

The football team has been very competitive, going to state 2 years ago, but they still play in 4A.

The swim team has won 8 out of 9 state titles in class A, but they didn't move up. They would have won just as many state championships in AA because their pools times are better than most Big10 schools.

The basketball team is a perennial power, winning state last year, and they haven't moved up. I believe they are in 3A and won't opt to 4A.

My point is, STA stays where they are because, in the long run, thats where they think they belong. Time will tell and we'll see if this RECENT success is sustainable.

[packerboy]

i'm not saying that they should move up or they shouldn't, but here is some insight into how people at STA think and where they think they belong.

The football team has been very competitive, going to state 2 years ago, but they still play in 4A.

The swim team has won 8 out of 9 state titles in class A, but they didn't move up. They would have won just as many state championships in AA because their pools times are better than most Big10 schools.

The basketball team is a perennial power, winning state last year, and they haven't moved up. I believe they are in 3A and won't opt to 4A.

My point is, STA stays where they are because, in the long run, thats where they think they belong. Time will tell and we'll see if this RECENT success is sustainable.

deacon, we know what the BSquad mentality is. There is no sense in repeating it. We know STA hides behind enrollment figures so they can win.

The question is: Why?

They arent some small farming community or northern town that just closed the mine nor some land locked old suburb that shut down the packing plants like most of the competition. There are no flannel shirts over in Mendota Heights.

They are an affluent, successful , long established , private school in a major metro area near affluent suburbs during a time when private schools are experiencing a real boom.

Why hide behind the MSHSL's skirt of class assignment based on enrollment? Especially for a sport like hockey.

[franchize_03]

Dano Jaques again possibly?

[deacon]

i'm not saying that they should move up or they shouldn't, but here is some insight into how people at STA think and where they think they belong.

The football team has been very competitive, going to state 2 years ago, but they still play in 4A.

The swim team has won 8 out of 9 state titles in class A, but they didn't move up. They would have won just as many state championships in AA because their pools times are better than most Big10 schools.

The basketball team is a perennial power, winning state last year, and they haven't moved up. I believe they are in 3A and won't opt to 4A.

My point is, STA stays where they are because, in the long run, thats where they think they belong. Time will tell and we'll see if this RECENT success is sustainable.

They are an affluent, successful , long established , private school in a major metro area near affluent suburbs during a time when private schools are experiencing a real boom.

what does this have to do with anything? Why are you not saying this about Duluth Marshal or Totino Grace? Basically what you are saying is that you want all the schools with good, recent success to move up but the only school you and everyone else that found this new hate for mention is STA.

[TI14]

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[packerboy]

Basically what you are saying is that you want all the schools with good, recent success to move up but the only school you and everyone else that found this new hate for mention is STA.

No, what I am saying is what I said, not what you said. Read it again.

[droppin'gloves]

Basically what you are saying is that you want all the schools with good, recent success to move up but the only school you and everyone else that found this new hate for mention is STA.

No, what I am saying is what I said, not what you said. Read it again.

I think it is adorable how badly Packerboy wants to get a rise out of STA backers. Turn the page buddy.

[deacon]

Basically what you are saying is that you want all the schools with good, recent success to move up but the only school you and everyone else that found this new hate for mention is STA.

No, what I am saying is what I said, not what you said. Read it again.

k, i read it again. you still sound like a little baby who's jealous of someone else's success.

[packerboy]

Basically what you are saying is that you want all the schools with good, recent success to move up but the only school you and everyone else that found this new hate for mention is STA.

No, what I am saying is what I said, not what you said. Read it again.

k, i read it again. you still sound like a little baby who's jealous of someone else's success.

I like how you little baby BSquaders define success.

Good luck against Sleepy Eye and New Ulm. Pathetic.

[stpaulpuck]

Lighten up, Francis. STA has been in the state tourney four times and won it once. One time.

They compete with Cretin and even Hill Murray for east metro Catholic kids and there's a demanding entrance exam to get in. (I know some kids are not Catholic but the bulk of the team is).

Let's face it. Most of the whiners on this site don't like winners unless it's them. As for me, God Bless the over-acheiving underdog, but give me the best.

Go Roseau, Edina, STA and D. Marshall!! Prove out your hard work and commitment.

[packerboy]

Lighten up, Francis. STA has been in the state tourney four times and won it once. One time.

They compete with Cretin and even Hill Murray for east metro Catholic kids and there's a demanding entrance exam to get in. (I know some kids are not Catholic but the bulk of the team is).

Let's face it. Most of the whiners on this site don't like winners unless it's them. As for me, God Bless the over-acheiving underdog, but give me the best.

Go Roseau, Edina, STA and D. Marshall!! Prove out your hard work and commitment.

Well said puck but how is an affluent metro Catholic school with 500 boys an over achieveing underdog in Class A hockey.

They have a huge advantage just being Catholic.

[droppin'gloves]

Lighten up, Francis. STA has been in the state tourney four times and won it once. One time.

They compete with Cretin and even Hill Murray for east metro Catholic kids and there's a demanding entrance exam to get in. (I know some kids are not Catholic but the bulk of the team is).

Let's face it. Most of the whiners on this site don't like winners unless it's them. As for me, God Bless the over-acheiving underdog, but give me the best.

Go Roseau, Edina, STA and D. Marshall!! Prove out your hard work and commitment.

Well said puck but how is an affluent metro Catholic school with 500 boys an over achieveing underdog in Class A hockey.

They have a huge advantage just being Catholic.

Not to speak for stpaulpuck, but I think he was saying that he likes to see over acheiving under dogs succeed....also. BUT, wants to see the best teams in the state tourament. I agree with his sentiment. It is way too early to compare STA w/ Hill and Cretin. Like I said before, they have 1 championship and 4 appearances. All of which are since 1999. Let's not put them in the same category as Roseau, Cretin, and Hill just yet. Thank you for being a voice of reason stpaulpuck. You summarized nicely what I have been trying to tell STA bashers for a while.

[eyeinthesky]

ok i'll spell out what packerboy is trying to say

he is saying STA has 500 boys just like every other class A school. But he is saying other 500 enrollment class A schools are small northern, western, or central MN communities.

He is saying that STA is getting the crem de la creme of the Southern Metro. You are getting 500 exceptional student athletes, not kids who have to farm or work full time and go to school.

So... even though STA has only 500 boys, they are the cream of the crop of the southern metro, they should be up to AA because of this, that is what he is getting at.

Yeah STA stays in the same class for all their sports, and they most likely will for hockey as well. So both sides should just relax, STA is not going anywhere but they shouldn't gloat.

The reason they shouldn't gloat is because they come on here and boast their "superiority" over everyone else. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT MENTALITY, THEN PLAY CLASS AA. You can't be superior than everyone if you only win the Class A tourny, there will always be one more team superior to you. The people on here talking smack aren't even kids that play on the teams, they are parents or kids who go the school, half of you dont even know anything about the game!!

[packerboy]

The eye does not lie.

I dont really have anything against STA but I do think that a school(s) such as STA ought to be forced to play AA in hockey because of their location and all of the other things I pointed out as translated by the eye.

If CDH, HM, BSM, AHA played in A, Id say the same thing about them. Instead of crying foul about STA being picked on instead of Totino, try thinking about those schools and where they play

The eyes have it.

[deacon]

so when they 4-25 or whatever 5 years ago so wanted them to move up then also? nothing has changed at the school.\

my point is this: all of sudden, when STA has success, everyone starts whining about how they should be in AA, and i don't think this sentiment can be disputed. this argument is dumb as it always is. gl to all the teams.

[deacon]

and just out of curiosity, why don't you say the same thing about Totini, Breck, or Blake?

[2 for cheating]

so when they 4-25 or whatever 5 years ago so wanted them to move up then also? nothing has changed at the school.\

my point is this: all of sudden, when STA has success, everyone starts whining about how they should be in AA, and i don't think this sentiment can be disputed. this argument is dumb as it always is. gl to all the teams.

Wrong.

Much has changed.

STA bucked up and built one of the nicest hockey traing facilities around.

STA got rid of one of the nicest coaches around and hired coaches that know how to operate "within the rules".

Coach Vanelli is kind of a fixture at D8 bantam games if you know what i mean....

The only thing that is the same as 6 years ago is the name of the school.

They put together a great plan and through hard work and $$$$ they have made it happen.

My opinion, opt up.

[deacon]

so when they 4-25 or whatever 5 years ago so wanted them to move up then also? nothing has changed at the school.\

my point is this: all of sudden, when STA has success, everyone starts whining about how they should be in AA, and i don't think this sentiment can be disputed. this argument is dumb as it always is. gl to all the teams.

Wrong.

Much has changed.

STA bucked up and built one of the nicest hockey traing facilities around.

STA got rid of one of the nicest coaches around and hired coaches that know how to operate "within the rules".

Coach Vanelli is kind of a fixture at D8 bantam games if you know what i mean....

The only thing that is the same as 6 years ago is the name of the school.

They put together a great plan and through hard work and $$$$ they have made it happen.

My opinion, opt up.

i agree with that, those weren't the changes i was talking about. McCarthy was a nice coach but he wasn't a great coach. the non-changes i was referring to was size of the school, location, where STA pulls kids from, ect...

[HShockeywatcher]

Why does everything have to do with what class you are in? Sure, you're in class A and win the title, but that doesn't give you claim to be a top team, unless you're the 2005 Warroad Warriors. Last year Hermantown won with a schedule where they played two AA teams. Great team, but probably just top 20 in state. St Thomas, on the other hand, has their schedule going for them, win or lose at state. Win or lose, they are probably a top 10 team. If they had gone undefeated, with the top AA teams on their schedule, they would probably have claim to be a top 3 team.

I, nor any other St Thomas fan that I know of, has ever called them better than they are. They are a good team, they won the Silver Cup, stayed with Tonka and took HM to OT. In addition, aside from their Breck loss, they've dominated their A opponents. So, say they win their next 4 games. In my eyes that puts them at about #6 or so, depending on how Tonka and HM do.

I still don't get why people care what class they're in. I understand exactly what packerboy and others think they should be up, and I have my own reasons for wanting them in AA, but being they are not doesn't make them any less talented of a team the first 25 games of the season.
It's just like Totino in football. They are a great team, winning 4A two years in a row. There are probably a handful of 5A schools that would dominate them 9 games out of 10. They are not the #2 team by any means, but that doesn't mean being in 4A takes away from their talent any.

[DubCHAGuy]

Why does everything have to do with what class you are in? Sure, you're in class A and win the title, but that doesn't give you claim to be a top team, unless you're the 2005 Warroad Warriors. Last year Hermantown won with a schedule where they played two AA teams. Great team, but probably just top 20 in state. St Thomas, on the other hand, has their schedule going for them, win or lose at state. Win or lose, they are probably a top 10 team. If they had gone undefeated, with the top AA teams on their schedule, they would probably have claim to be a top 3 team.

I, nor any other St Thomas fan that I know of, has ever called them better than they are. They are a good team, they won the Silver Cup, stayed with Tonka and took HM to OT. In addition, aside from their Breck loss, they've dominated their A opponents. So, say they win their next 4 games. In my eyes that puts them at about #6 or so, depending on how Tonka and HM do.

I still don't get why people care what class they're in. I understand exactly what packerboy and others think they should be up, and I have my own reasons for wanting them in AA, but being they are not doesn't make them any less talented of a team the first 25 games of the season.
It's just like Totino in football. They are a great team, winning 4A two years in a row. There are probably a handful of 5A schools that would dominate them 9 games out of 10. They are not the #2 team by any means, but that doesn't mean being in 4A takes away from their talent any.

I believe Duluth Marshall is still a class A team.

Good comparison to Totino's football team. I have no problem with STA playing class A, but if you want to rank them amongst AA teams there is no way they jump ahead of Tonka or HM now,regardless of if those teams win their sections or not. They played those teams and lost, and will have no common opponents the rest of the way.

It will be interesting to see if people back off of STA next year when they lose this senior class which has basically been the group that put STA on the map. How is their JV team this year?