1AA Section Tournament

[Justshutup]

Who ever said that Mayo let up when the puck was thrown is an idiot. The fan who threw it is an idiot and absolutely the poorest excuse for a 'fan' we could have, next game stay home. There is no way Mayo let up, much like when a scrum is in front of the net, the whistle blows, how many players have you EVER seen stop and say geez the whistle blew I better stop doing what I'm doing or??? They did not let up.

What SHOULD have happened is the ref should have allowed the goal, stopped the game cause he knew where it came from and found the 'fan' and had him permanentaly kicked out. They should be embarrassed, the Mayo and Century players and fans deserved better.

This was a good game, very competitive, Century scored a couple minutes later and the game would have been tied, could have gone to OT again and been a real barn burner, instead because that idiot threw the puck on the ice we'll never know.

[eagle4life9]

Good too some, bad to others, but I think we are going to see a Lakeville final.

South is playing very well right now and I didnt see there game vs Mayo but Ive seen both teams play and I think South is just a better team.
South-5
Mayo-2

North lost 7 in a row to end the season but every team they played during that stretch was legit. Owatonna is a good looking team that has won alot of games but against who? Mayo? Century? Farmington? There one good win in Blake but North beat EP so you can throw both those out (although EP is way better than Blake). Its going to come down to mistakes and North doesnt make a ton but they dont score a ton.
North-4
Owatonna-2

[goldy313]

I hope Mayo and Owatonna win but I don't think either will, plaing Lake teams prepares teams better than playing Big Nine teams. Mayo has a better chance but I doubt they'll be plus 6 in the man advantage column and I doubt a puck will come from "the crowd" again. Hopefully Mayo gained some confidence and doesn't think beating Century was their season.

South 4
Mayo 3

North 5
Owatonna 2

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

I believe the one post said that Yaggy stood up - implying he heard the whistle and got out of his ready position which goalies tend to do when they relax and the puck went it. The bottom line is that the whistle blew BEFORE the puck went in, so it is not a goal period. The same thing happens when there is a scrum or the ref loses sight of the puck.

To be honest, I had no idea why there was a whistle at the moment because I watch the action on the ice; it appears that many of you are watching the Mayo and Century student bodies, 'the crowd', Coach Hookum, the lady bleeding in the stands, the old guy running the penalty box, etc. I wonder how you see it all with two eyes, yet then miss obvious things on the ice - such as cheap play from one team and the other coming prepared and not retaliating like they had in the past.

I also wonder what game is being watched when people say Mayo's defense played well? They gave Century several golden chances with bonehead decisions, indecisivenss, and sometimes just being weak. Yaggy bailed out the defense, not the other way around, if you take the game as a whole. Mayo's defense will have to play better to win Sat.
Yaggy will have to play a complete game for them to win, but give him his due for rebounding that way he did.

It is tough to predict because of the rollar coaster year that Mayo has had, but I watched the LS game earlier and they have weaknesses - their defense is not their strong suit. They don't have the scoring punch Mayo does, but they work like dogs. I love for a slugfest, maybe some run-n-gun hockey too.

I am going to assume that Coach Grosso gets his team ready again - see the perfect game plan vs. Albert Lea, combined with last night's game plan (see comments on Century's dump-in % of 93 vs. no line-rush play), and I think the Spartans can pull it off.

[DmanDad1980]

Who ever said that Mayo let up when the puck was thrown is an idiot. The fan who threw it is an idiot and absolutely the poorest excuse for a 'fan' we could have, next game stay home. There is no way Mayo let up, much like when a scrum is in front of the net, the whistle blows, how many players have you EVER seen stop and say geez the whistle blew I better stop doing what I'm doing or??? They did not let up.

What SHOULD have happened is the ref should have allowed the goal, stopped the game cause he knew where it came from and found the 'fan' and had him permanentaly kicked out. They should be embarrassed, the Mayo and Century players and fans deserved better.

This was a good game, very competitive, Century scored a couple minutes later and the game would have been tied, could have gone to OT again and been a real barn burner, instead because that idiot threw the puck on the ice we'll never know.

The whistle blew long before the late shot by #18... period... end of discussion
Think about it, please heed your moniker

[PowerPlay™]

Hockey day in Rochester will be pretty awesome! See you all at the rink.

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

mnreferee1



Joined: 28 Nov 2006
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Posted: 23 Feb 2008 17:12 Post subject:

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A second puck in play is an immediate whistle. There are penalties if it was thrown from the bench. The rules do allow a team to be penalized for fan behavior however it is difficult to enforce.


Who knows if this is really a ref or not...maybe someone like Mac can confirm this. But it sounds like the ref did the right thing by blowing the whistle vs. picking it up.

[ahsgrad]

I hope Mayo and Owatonna win but I don't think either will, plaing Lake teams prepares teams better than playing Big Nine teams. Mayo has a better chance but I doubt they'll be plus 6 in the man advantage column and I doubt a puck will come from "the crowd" again. Hopefully Mayo gained some confidence and doesn't think beating Century was their season.

South 4
Mayo 3

North 5
Owatonna 2

Mayo 4
South 3


Owatonna 6
North 4

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

Poor showing by the Spartans today. The usual gift-wrapped early goal, which was preventable by the defense and it also by Yaggy who appeared to have it but it trickled in.....some laziness in the play, and a 'I dont seem to care' attitude for two periods by too much of the team, including seniors who have been there before....
LS proved they were the better team today - nothing spectacular, but enough zip, work ethic, and skill to give almost anyone a game. They had a couple of really nice goals and some other very good chances.

The good news is that Mayo does not lose too much of their scoring punch for next year.

UGH! LN in the finals with 8 wins now. Ugly. I really hope LS wins. They have a legit shot to do something at state. I can't say that for the Panthers. What happened to Owatonna down the stretch? They had some seriously horrible defeats and did not play well today. I thought their coach was one of the best, if not THE BEST, coach in southern Minnesota????

[goldy313]

Maybe he should have spent a bit more time working on the Huskies power play and a little less worrying about sending out e-mails about section seedings and where the class A tournament should be played. Like we say in AA "God grant me the serenity...."

Owatonna did a nice job of trying to make a game of it after getting down 3-0, at least they didn't quit.

[eagle4life9]

This was the first time I had seen Owatonna play and I was unimpressed. Had they played there season with LN schedule they would have had 6 or less wins.

The Lakeville final is kind of an interesting game. South obviously has the better record and is probably the better team but this is a section final game between two huge rivals and anything can happen. Dont be shocked by the outcome no matter what it is. Although the game is in Rochester I would still expect that place to be full. And I wouldnt say that North has no shot of doing anything at state because I think for both teams its going to come down to who they draw. If either one draws an Edina/Burnsville, Minnetonka/BSM or Roseau I would say game over but say they get a team like Rosemount? Anoka? both teams could play well enough to win those games.

Bottom line was the better team won both the games today. South was better than Mayo and North was better than Owatonna.

[postnin]

Don't they still seed the top 4 teams in order for state like last year??

If so North/South would not get a Rose or anoka etc...in the first round

I know what your saying about North v. South rivalry, anything can happen, it's tough to beat a team 3 times etc...

But honestly do you really think that North has more than a 2% chance of beating a top 4 seed at state???

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

Maybe he should have spent a bit more time working on the Huskies power play and a little less worrying about sending out e-mails about section seedings and where the class A tournament should be played.

Ouch! Nice groin shot Goldy. Seriously, I laughed out loud. But you forgot to add something about the suggested readings list. I love going over to Owatonna just for that. It gives me great ideas on what to buy my father-in-law for Christmas - just look at his list and find anything that sounds liberal and it is a done deal. I know, I know. Not exactly the Catholic thing to do....
.....as for the emails, it is interesting how much time is spent trying to change things. Look in house first, get somewhere with your own program, then worry about others. Yes, there is a parking issue at the Rec and the ice is not perfect, but it remains a great place to watch hockey.

As far as seeding for state....the top 4 teams are seeded, then there is a blind draw after that....so 1AA (most likely viewed as the 8th seed no matter what), could draw the 4th seed and get a decent match-up. Last year there were some serious upsets in sections and it was not so obvious who the top 4 seeds would be at state.

[PowerPlay™]

I predict Lakeville to win the section....just kidding....however, I guarentee that if one of the Lakeville schools goes up there and goes 2 and out, the MSHSL is going to look long and hard at realigning 1AA. They might toss a Rosemount and or a B-ville back in there, maybe even an AHA. How would y'all like that schmidt?

[southernpuck74]

im sick of the bull crap everyone hating on fish i have never seen a coach put as much time into a program as he puts into the owatonna program he is at the rink all day every day and you guys need to worry about your own problems then hate on a guy you know nothing about

[PowerPlay™]

im sick of the bull crap everyone hating on fish i have never seen a coach put as much time into a program as he puts into the owatonna program he is at the rink all day every day and you guys need to worry about your own problems then hate on a guy you know nothing about

How do you know people know nothing about him SouthernPuck74? Maybe I know him quite well. You don't know that. This is supposedly an anonymous board to allow people to talk freely about hockey and without inhibiting their thoughts...speaking truths that would maybe get them in hot water otherwise because in this sad little world we are eworried about hurting Little Willy's feelings. And, by the way, Will is not at the rink all day every day. He is an English teacher and reads a lot. If he were at the rink all day every day, when would he get the time to read all of those books he recommends on his suggested readings lists he puts in their programs? Think about that one MENSAtard.

[eagle4life9]

I dont think they are going to realign this section at all because when you think about it the section is down right now but before the Lakeville split they were just starting to become a powerhouse. There are already talks of building a third HS in Lakeville around 2010-2012 so Lakeville is growing and will continue to get huge numbers in there youth programs. The only thing they need to do is keep them in the high school program and I really dont understand why so many kids leave. Because they dont like the coach? Weber has built that South program and has them playing great right now and Schmitz is pretty close to retirement and so I would assume Sabetti would take over at North and he is a good coach. If Lakeville can keep there kids in Lakeville they would be competitive every year.

As for Rochester they usually have some pretty good teams. This year none of them were good at all but look at last years Century team, they were a top 10 team in the state. There biggest problem is Lourdes and I dont see why a kid would want to go to Lourdes to play class A hockey and then play in a very difficult section when you could play for Mayo/Century/JM and be a good player and play in section 1AA.

[goldy313]

I 'm not hating on Fish, he's a great guy and great coach. He spent years in Rochester working with kids and he is missed, the youth hockey camps are worse without him and you can see that in the quality of players today. Personnaly I hoped he would have gotten the JM job years ago when Century opened, Aaron Neuer turned out to be a great coach too, but Will was in the system already and would have been at JM for years to come. Rochester's loss was Owatonna's gain, no question about it.

My reference was a tounge in cheek remark about some stuff that went on behind the scenes that created a bit of a stir, hence the Serenity Prayer reference.

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

Unfortunatley Will was in the mindset of many others - an elite team or two in Rochester and not separate programs. His coaching might be missed, but had he advocated a split program, perhaps youth hockey in Rochester would produce more players and hence have more competition?

Another issue is that Lourdes takes players from 3 high schools, whereas, AHA, Hill, STA, BSM take players from several high schools, so when the purple dip into the talent pool down here, they really hurt some teams.

JM has more bantams now than in the previous two years, but the A-1 is dominated by Lourdes/Century, and a few JM, no Mayo at all. Who knows how many will be purple soon. I guess the good news for the Spartans is that the father-son connection, and the rest of the mafia, is probably spending most of their time talking to the A-1 kids and will leave Mayo's A-2 and B kids alone.

As far as 1AA, don't switch it yet. See how the Lakevilles develop. Also, if a certain few people 'retire' from youth hockey, there might be strides made in Rochester as well. You have to keep kids involved and being labeled 'C' early on does not help. No traveling until PeeWees (like Duluth - ever notice their success?).....we should be a split program trying to compete with the Lakevilles, Burnsvilles, Duluth Easts, Eastviews (where is the city of Eastviewn anyway? Oh wait, it is in AV and they have their own youth program???)....right now we compete with the Mankatos, St. Clouds, and hopefully with Dodge County. It is sad.

[eagle4life9]

Thats exactly right. In Lakeville they still have one youth hockey association but they try there best to split into a North and a South team at every level (Squirts threw Bantams and A threw C) assuming they have the numbers to do so.

[SEMinnHockeyNut]

Yes, one umbrella organization with two teams filling the needs of two high schools and they did that right away. RYHA finally split into two around 1990.....right when Mayo dominated the decade. Then Century came along and a great deal of Century's talent the last 6-7 years were old NE kids - part of Mayo's old boundaries.

RYHA tried the 3 way cut ONCE, for one year. All the Squirt teams were under .500 and it hurt the pysche of rich mommy/daddy, so they scrapped the idea after ONE year. Ever seen 9 year olds after they lose 7-3 to Jefferson? They could care less! Who brought the drinks? Can I have a quarter to play pinball?

[PowerPlay™]

If you want to talk about the split program stuff vs. 1 top team in RYHA, I am creating a new topic you can post on that there.

[Mac15]

Yes, one umbrella organization with two teams filling the needs of two high schools and they did that right away. RYHA finally split into two around 1990.....right when Mayo dominated the decade. Then Century came along and a great deal of Century's talent the last 6-7 years were old NE kids - part of Mayo's old boundaries.

RYHA tried the 3 way cut ONCE, for one year. All the Squirt teams were under .500 and it hurt the pysche of rich mommy/daddy, so they scrapped the idea after ONE year. Ever seen 9 year olds after they lose 7-3 to Jefferson? They could care less! Who brought the drinks? Can I have a quarter to play pinball?

I agree that the drinks are the most important thing to the young players. But to clarify, RYHA had 3 squirt A teams for 2 seasons (96-97 & 97-98 ). In addition, there were 6 SQB teams and 10 SQC teams. I don't have the W-L-T records but I believe that all three SQA teams were over .500 but none of them were at the top of the District 8 SQA league. In those years we had about 240 total squirts (including about 15 DC kids before they became their own association). A plan was in place at the beginning of the '96-'97 season to have 3 SQA teams and then two years later expand to 3 PWA teams and then in two more years later go to 3 BTA teams. As people left the RYHA Board and were replaced, the plan was scrapped. RYHA went back to two A teams using the old Mayo-JM (North/South) border. A few years later the border was moved a little South to Viola Road (controversial, it allowed more Century area kids to play North). This made the hockey population 2/3 North and 1/3 South. Eventually RYHA started to divide the kids #1-15 onto the Red team and #16-30 onto the Black (or white depending upon which year) team. I was on the board for some of those years and I had hoped that each high school would have their own team but I was in the minority.

Century's high school hockey dominance in Rochester during the '03-'07 seasons was largely due to the makeup of the squirt teams in the late 90's. This is a skill development progression that comes from getting more quality ice. In the '97-'98 season in addition to the Century SQA team, over half of the skaters in SQB were future Century students. By comparison, 2-3 kids from the Mayo SQA team quit or moved plus there were 3-4 Catholic kids that ultimately went to Lourdes. JM was really hurt as there were only about 10 future JM kids on the SQB teams. The SQC kids get much less ice time and a typical traveling team has 3+ knowledgable coaches where a house team is generally only going to have one top notch coach and then some volunteers that do their best. Over the past 3-5 seasons there are generally 2-4 former C players skating on the JM and Mayo varsity teams but you don't see that on Lourdes or Century varsity's.

For girls hockey we split only by A, B and city league. We don't have the numbers yet to even think about multiple A teams (but we are growing fast ).

Added an edit to eliminate the 8 - ) turning into