Roger Clemens
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Roger Clemens
One thing I have to put on my to do list, or not to do list is never testify before Congress, they're making McNamee look like a complete idiot. Clemens wasn't doing so hot but McNamee is losing any shread of credability he may have had.
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George Blanda
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Re: Roger Clemens
I don't think either of them are looking so hot right now. McNamee has some credability given he was right on Petitte and Knoblauch, but he is looking pretty bad today.goldy313 wrote:One thing I have to put on my to do list, or not to do list is never testify before Congress, they're making McNamee look like a complete idiot. Clemens wasn't doing so hot but McNamee is losing any shread of credability he may have had.
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HockeyDad2016
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You both have good points - I watched it on my computer at the office on CNN.com
From how defensive Clemens was at times, and how McNamme was just there - he didn't really show any emotions, He is already toast. Admitted about false statements in the past.
I have a feeling McNamme is telling the truth about Clemens, and Clemens is trying to use his "STAR POWER" to make McNamme look like he just tells one lie after the other.
Who do you think is telling the truth.???????
From how defensive Clemens was at times, and how McNamme was just there - he didn't really show any emotions, He is already toast. Admitted about false statements in the past.
I have a feeling McNamme is telling the truth about Clemens, and Clemens is trying to use his "STAR POWER" to make McNamme look like he just tells one lie after the other.
Who do you think is telling the truth.???????
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Goldy Gopher
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Indians forever
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HockeyDad2016
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Holy S*/& - I was just trying to get peoples option on this.
Didn't think I would get bashed for asking that question.
To be honest - I could care less about who is telling the truth. Baseball is my least favorite sport - Maybe have been to 5 games in my life - and that was just to take me kids to a game.
Didn't think I would get bashed for asking that question.
To be honest - I could care less about who is telling the truth. Baseball is my least favorite sport - Maybe have been to 5 games in my life - and that was just to take me kids to a game.
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State Champ 97
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I am getting tired of that too but its still better than basketball.Indians forever wrote:Amen!!!!!Goldy Gopher wrote:They both look stupid and I'm tired of 50 minutes of my 60 minute sports center being taken up by Clemens stuff.EREmpireStrikesBack wrote: Who cares?
Like Blanda said, I think they both look stupid.
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Irishmans Shanty
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Wholeheartedly AGREE Goldy. I haven't seen SC beginning to end yet today, but was it even mentioned that pitchers & catchers started reporting yesterday? I'm sure if it was, it was incredibly brief. It's too bad this this garbage has to over shadow the start of another season.Goldy Gopher wrote:They both look stupid and I'm tired of 50 minutes of my 60 minute sports center being taken up by Clemens stuff.EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:Who cares?HockeyDad2016 wrote:Who do you think is telling the truth.???????
Like Blanda said, I think they both look stupid.
Govs93 wrote:Wholeheartedly AGREE Goldy. I haven't seen SC beginning to end yet today, but was it even mentioned that pitchers & catchers started reporting yesterday? I'm sure if it was, it was incredibly brief. It's too bad this this garbage has to over shadow the start of another season.Goldy Gopher wrote:They both look stupid and I'm tired of 50 minutes of my 60 minute sports center being taken up by Clemens stuff.EREmpireStrikesBack wrote: Who cares?
Like Blanda said, I think they both look stupid.
It was mentioned. They said Pettite would not report if he had to testify. But that was it. Pretty weak. It's almost as bad as the Vick thing.
....Can't thank you enough for the time.
This is just a bunch of "he said, she said".
The real embarassment is with Congress taking the time with this crap.
Nobody else was there when these injections supposedly took place. There is no "tiebreaker" on who is or isn't telling the truth.
I dont know who to believe and they all have reasons for lying.
Also, who cares.
Steroid use was rampant. Who specifically was or wasnt using it doesnt matter anymore. We have testing and firm rules in place now to pevent it or punish its use.
Move on.
The real embarassment is with Congress taking the time with this crap.
Nobody else was there when these injections supposedly took place. There is no "tiebreaker" on who is or isn't telling the truth.
I dont know who to believe and they all have reasons for lying.
Also, who cares.
Steroid use was rampant. Who specifically was or wasnt using it doesnt matter anymore. We have testing and firm rules in place now to pevent it or punish its use.
Move on.
I agree with what former Commissioner Vincent said.
"I didn't find Clemens believable," Fay Vincent, the commissioner of baseball from 1989 to '92, said. "To believe Clemens, you have to disbelieve Pettitte and Knoblauch. You have to disbelieve McNamee as well. You have to believe a lot of people are lying and he's the only one telling the truth. That's too big a conspiracy for me. That's very hard for me to do."
Guilty or not, I think Clemens (and others) legacies will be permanently damaged.
Damaged to a minimum of some type of footnote, especially since they knew steroids were illegal (in baseball) as evidenced below.
SportsJustice
A sports blog with Richard Justice
March 31, 2006
Steroids on banned list in '91.
Baseball players weren't tested for steroids until the spring of 2003. They were against the rules long before that.
In 1991, not long after steroids were declared a controlled substance, then-commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo that specifically added steroids to the banned list.
No player -- none, zero, zilch -- can argue he didn't know steroids were against the rules. Vincent encouraged clubs to confront players suspected of steroid use.
Not one player was ever confronted. Not one player was asked to take a steroid test.
People have criticized Bud Selig for not attacking the problem earlier. In 1995, the Los Angeles Times reported that baseball might have a problem with steroids.
Should Selig have acted sooner? Of course.
Here's the problem. Baseball is governed by a collective bargaining agreement. The commissioner doesn't act unilaterally in such matters.
He sought a steroids testing plan in the 1994-95 labor negotiations. He didn't get it and probably didn't pursue it hard enough.
At that point -- rightly or wrongly -- economic issues were a higher priority. The game was in shambles. The World Series had been cancelled in 1994 after players went on strike.
They went on strike because they knew owners were planning to lock them out the following spring. And the start of the 1995 season was delayed.
Mistrust was never higher. Had Selig gone back to the players in 1995 and asked for a testing program, he'd have been laughed out of the room.
Should he have tried anyway? Yes.
Should he have used his bully pulpit? Yes.
But at that point, he was working to save the game. Remember that some people said that baseball would never be really relevant again.
The game was revived by Cal Ripken's pursuit of Lou Gehrig's streak in 1996 and by the McGwire-Sosa home run chase of 1998.
By the end of the 1998 season, he knew there was a steroids problem. But he was unwilling to publicly trash the sport's biggest star.
He ordered a report on steroids and began pressing the union. He got testing in the next labor agreement. Positive tests have declined from more than 7 percent in 2003 to a dozen players last year.
"I didn't find Clemens believable," Fay Vincent, the commissioner of baseball from 1989 to '92, said. "To believe Clemens, you have to disbelieve Pettitte and Knoblauch. You have to disbelieve McNamee as well. You have to believe a lot of people are lying and he's the only one telling the truth. That's too big a conspiracy for me. That's very hard for me to do."
Guilty or not, I think Clemens (and others) legacies will be permanently damaged.
Damaged to a minimum of some type of footnote, especially since they knew steroids were illegal (in baseball) as evidenced below.
SportsJustice
A sports blog with Richard Justice
March 31, 2006
Steroids on banned list in '91.
Baseball players weren't tested for steroids until the spring of 2003. They were against the rules long before that.
In 1991, not long after steroids were declared a controlled substance, then-commissioner Fay Vincent sent the clubs a memo that specifically added steroids to the banned list.
No player -- none, zero, zilch -- can argue he didn't know steroids were against the rules. Vincent encouraged clubs to confront players suspected of steroid use.
Not one player was ever confronted. Not one player was asked to take a steroid test.
People have criticized Bud Selig for not attacking the problem earlier. In 1995, the Los Angeles Times reported that baseball might have a problem with steroids.
Should Selig have acted sooner? Of course.
Here's the problem. Baseball is governed by a collective bargaining agreement. The commissioner doesn't act unilaterally in such matters.
He sought a steroids testing plan in the 1994-95 labor negotiations. He didn't get it and probably didn't pursue it hard enough.
At that point -- rightly or wrongly -- economic issues were a higher priority. The game was in shambles. The World Series had been cancelled in 1994 after players went on strike.
They went on strike because they knew owners were planning to lock them out the following spring. And the start of the 1995 season was delayed.
Mistrust was never higher. Had Selig gone back to the players in 1995 and asked for a testing program, he'd have been laughed out of the room.
Should he have tried anyway? Yes.
Should he have used his bully pulpit? Yes.
But at that point, he was working to save the game. Remember that some people said that baseball would never be really relevant again.
The game was revived by Cal Ripken's pursuit of Lou Gehrig's streak in 1996 and by the McGwire-Sosa home run chase of 1998.
By the end of the 1998 season, he knew there was a steroids problem. But he was unwilling to publicly trash the sport's biggest star.
He ordered a report on steroids and began pressing the union. He got testing in the next labor agreement. Positive tests have declined from more than 7 percent in 2003 to a dozen players last year.
Re: Roger Clemens
Blanda is right McNamee has some credability issues, to me is nothing more than a drug dealer.George Blanda wrote:I don't think either of them are looking so hot right now. McNamee has some credability given he was right on Petitte and Knoblauch, but he is looking pretty bad today.goldy313 wrote:One thing I have to put on my to do list, or not to do list is never testify before Congress, they're making McNamee look like a complete idiot. Clemens wasn't doing so hot but McNamee is losing any shread of credability he may have had.
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