Who is the best player in State

snapdog · Post by **snapdog** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:59 pm

I,ll say Ness but Youso is not far off. Every time he touches the puck you want to stand.

Pickled Eggs · Post by **Pickled Eggs** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:12 pm

Ness is by far the best hockey player in HS hockey this year...that is why the significance of this years MR. Hockey will be greatly diminished since I have been told he is not eligible to win although he will technically be graduating and should be considered a senior. He's doing the work in the classroom and on the ice...why not reward him for it when the choice is obvious. If i won the award and knew in my heart the only thing keeping Ness from winning it was a techincality made up by the fat cats...it would be tough to be too proud of the award, although I am sure it would make a nice paper weight for whoever ends up with it by default.

who_b_dat · Post by **who_b_dat** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:23 pm

While the first half of your post has enough validity to be debatable, your finish leaves something to be desired. This year’s winner will no doubt be very thankful and proud of the accomplishment. Did you sign up on here to do nothing more than stir the pot with this kind of dribble?

Skime Store · Post by **Skime Store** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:17 pm

boblee wrote:Aaron Ness is the best player in the state, but that does not mean Roseau will go undefeated and win the state championship.

But it doesn't mean we won't. See you at the Legion when we do.

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:30 pm

who_b_dat wrote:
While the first half of your post has enough validity to be debatable, your finish leaves something to be desired. This year’s winner will no doubt be very thankful and proud of the accomplishment. Did you sign up on here to do nothing more than stir the pot with this kind of dribble?

The winner goes to a senior. Ness is talented, but is not a senior. The winner will be a deserving senior.

Skime Store · Post by **Skime Store** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:37 pm

breakout wrote:
who_b_dat wrote:
While the first half of your post has enough validity to be debatable, your finish leaves something to be desired. This year’s winner will no doubt be very thankful and proud of the accomplishment. Did you sign up on here to do nothing more than stir the pot with this kind of dribble?

The winner goes to a senior. Ness is talented, but is not a senior. The winner will be a deserving senior.

A deserving senior? Give us break. You sound like a teacher. If Ness plays at the U next year then that makes him a senior right now. Mail him the award already.

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:22 pm

Skime Store wrote:If Ness plays at the U next year then that makes him a senior right now. Mail him the award already.

Since we are all about changing the rules, why not give Mr. Hockey to this smart MSHF poster. I can flat out guarantee you that Ness won't "play at the U next year."

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER · Post by **ACTUALFORMERPLAYER** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:27 pm

OB1 wrote:
Skime Store wrote:If Ness plays at the U next year then that makes him a senior right now. Mail him the award already.
Since we are all about changing the rules, why not give Mr. Hockey to this smart MSHF poster. I can flat out guarantee you that Ness won't "play at the U next year."

Just quoting you before you find the error and delete it.

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:34 pm

Care to elaborate?

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER · Post by **ACTUALFORMERPLAYER** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:36 pm

OB1 wrote:Care to elaborate?

He will be playing for the Gophers next year. Why do you say he won't?

scoreboard33 · Post by **scoreboard33** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:37 pm

Zach Budish- Ness is good, but I don't think he is as good as Budish, he has the size, speed, shot, and sense to be a great player. He is probably the best passer in the state and has a very good shot. The only real knock on him is that he is too unselfish and ends up passing too much and not shooting enough, even though he scores plenty of goals and sets up many most of Everson and Gaarder's.

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:39 pm

He might be able to skip a year of high school but I bet that Lucia wont let him skip a year of juniors.

I win - you lose.

ACTUALFORMERPLAYER · Post by **ACTUALFORMERPLAYER** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:44 pm

OB1 wrote:He might be able to skip a year of high school but I bet that Lucia wont let him skip a year of juniors. I win - you lose.

If he wasn't going directly to the U he would just stay in Roseau. There will be no Juniors.

OB1 · Post by **OB1** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:06 pm

Well that changed my mind. It looks like the seas have parted for Ness. Im converted. The guy DOES walk on water. Mail him the Minuteman invite now and engrave the nameplate.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:27 pm

OB1 wrote:Well that changed my mind. It looks like the seas have parted for Ness. Im converted. The guy DOES walk on water. Mail him the Minuteman invite now and engrave the nameplate.

Aaron will be playing for the Gophers next season. That has been VERY well documented.

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:17 pm

My reasons why Gardner will win mr. hockey and is the best player in the state. I have seen him play 3 times and have not seen ness or odonell yet this yr. saw youoso this summer….very talented.
-Skill: he is the best skater in the state and does it with a 6-2 frame. He might be the age of most juniors and is actually younger than ness (he could have played bantam in 10th grade/ness had to play high school in 9th I think.), but he is a man among the boys this year in high school hockey, skillwise and it could technically be his 2nd yr at the varsity level. I would be surprised if many players in the 08 draft have the footwork he does. NHL guys drool at big guys with the skating ability of gardner. He handles the puck better than he skates. I saw him against rosemount who was supposed to have some good guys and he made them look like bantam b-1s, saw him against hill-murray at the xcel when they were on fire and he made them look like a jv team..both sides of the puck. No one has dominated hill this yr except mr gardner. I saw some nhl guys laughing at the stuff he was doing against some very talented forwards.
-As a prospect: Some guys are saying ness a top 10 guy or high first round….wrong. he would have had to have a better world junior tourney but he wasn’t on the team so that takes care of that. NHL measured him at 5-9/157…that’s like having a 77 mph fastball heading in the mlb draft. You might have some good junk but not gonna put you in the 1st round. Ness was good at the 17 festival and some USHLer had a bunch of points on D….but gardner dominated at D. I saw it! Again, he was a man among the boys. 22 is low in the latest CSB rankings IMO. If he has a good second half, who knows how high he will go. He might end up 6-4/205…perfect NHL size. Ness, 5-10.5/178…perfect ECHL size. I think the NHL guys have a big say in mr hockey. Someone will teach gardner some defensive things. No one is gonna teach ness to grow. You can say all you want about the new nhl or the rule changes. Look at the rankings and how big these 17 yr olds are. I happened to watch the ducks a lot in the playoffs and they looked more like the broad street bullies than what some people envision the post lockout nhl as being. A lot of teams draft and build based on what won last year or is working right now. How about 2 years ago. Commodore from UND was a big part of Carolinas run. What is he 6-4 225 or something. It’s rough, it’s always been rough. It always will be rough and history has told the scouts that having 6-4 guys over 5-10 guys wins. Someone previously said gardiner will go 3 or 4th round. Any NHL GM faint if this kid is available after the 40th pick. I think he is better than mcdonough but has some defense to learn.
-Offensive: I don’t think ness is a bad skater but I am not sure he has the skating ability to score at the d1 and pro levels. Gardner will be a top 2 defensemen at UW and better in the wcha with his skating ability on the big sheets. Gardner is not far behind ness in points and is only 13 regular season games into his d career. If you take away ness’ point pile from the jr gold tourney Roseau hosted over x-mas. Gardner plays with a less productive forward crew and no real goal scorers (they are hard workers) but sets a lot of goals up. Take away the Roseau holiday jr gold tourney and gardner has more points against much better competition….much better!! No comparison, no replies to this part of my post please. Looks like ness had 3 power play points AFTER they had a 6 goal lead on Farmington…are the rams padding the points a little? Farmington has hockey? I honestly expected centennial to beat tonka in the first game at the xcel. Gardners d-crew gave up 3 goals in 3 games at the schwans cup. He assisted on 6. Championship tonka.
-Schedule: gardner is playing top teams every week. Edina, Edina, Hopkins, Hopkins, BSM, D. East, Marshall, STA, Holy angels, Hill, Cent., Roseville, EP, Eastview. Given this schedule he is not getting scored on much while leading the d crew and the offense. Gardners breakout passes are the best I have seen not to mention his ability to rush it. They are giving up a goal and half a game with some good goalies, not great. I am guessing not as good as the Roseau goalie from what I read. Looks like roseaus big win has been against a subpar Jefferson team with one second left or a Moorhead team that followthepuck has ranked 25th? I didn’t know Moorhead was allowed that low. Did they lose a generation to the tsunami? The latest ftp rankings have mtka playing everyone in the top 9 except roseau. Roseau is not scheduled to play one of those teams. I was just reading a post saying Roseau is hitting on all cylinders and that they beat #51 buffalo at home while the game was 0-0 half way through. Are they that good? Is high school hockey that close this year. How good is #52? Would #30 have given the almighty rams a game?
Based on this yr and the people who pick mr hockey…Gardner is it. Hey, it’s just my opinion.

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:18 pm

sp. gardiner . . . whoops...sorry for the long post

HOFam'r · Post by **HOFam'r** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:35 pm

here is a question for you...Does Ness make his team better or does the team make Ness look better?

who_b_dat · Post by **who_b_dat** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:23 pm

Nice and coherent post Hwkfan. We know where you are coming from and why. Better get your flak jacket out. There’s many on here that have already crowned their Mr. Hockey hopeful; assuming he makes the grade.

rbkhockey8 · Post by **rbkhockey8** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:08 am

aaron ness end of topic

ehshockey · Post by **ehshockey** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:07 pm

ZACH BUDISH

BERG RENOLZ · Post by **BERG RENOLZ** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:14 pm

[quote="hwkfan"]My reasons why Gardner will win mr. hockey and is the best player in the state. I have seen him play 3 times and have not seen ness or odonell yet this yr. saw youoso this summer….very talented.

That says it all!! Haven't even seen him play!!

I am forgetting that Ness isn't good because he played against Farmington though! Ness is definitely just a ECHL player! What a joke!

hwkfan · Post by **hwkfan** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:21 pm

i take it back (see my mr hockey 2008 post). He is the best.
The next dion phaneuf for sure.
i never said he is not good because he played farmington...but his stats are inflated because he did.

wingmaster · Post by **wingmaster** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:26 pm

Mr. Berg, there have been numerous scouts that attending the skipper games. They are the ones that will ultimately choose mr. hockey.

Most teams are watching gardiner 3 or 4 times because that is what they do for a top draft choice.

I don't think the teams waste alot of time or resources.

We shall see

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