Hastings Beats Cretin Tonight

Glory_Days99 · Post by **Glory_Days99** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:10 pm

There due, in their own barn, the stars will aline and Hastings will get thier frist win in 2007!!!

saintpaulhockey · Post by **saintpaulhockey** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:12 pm

Yeah and the Jets will beat the Patriots this week

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:06 pm

Than you woke up, Right? As much as i would like to see that. Not tonight fella. Can someone actually verify this (no wins in 2007)?I commented on this very subject a week or so ago. If it's the case, do the coach and AD still have a job?

hockey nut · Post by **hockey nut** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:30 pm

Russ will go 0-22 tonight. The only way he wins tonight is if Cretin does not show up. Maybe they should flatten the tires on Cretins bus. This might be the only way he wins a game all year.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:46 pm

O.K i made a few calls, sounds like the last win was the holiday tourney in Rochester last year VS. New Richmond Wisc. I'm not making light or poking fun of this because i'm sure there players are giving what they have, but it would seem to me at some point shouldn't someone step in?
Where is the AD? Isn't this exactly why that job was created?? Obviously the coach isn't getting it done. Go Hastings.

Glory_Days99 · Post by **Glory_Days99** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:55 am

Hockeynut - Why do you have it out for Russ so bad? I have seen a lot of posts by you, and you are really lying it hard on him. Have you played for him?

mnhockey9009 · Post by **mnhockey9009** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:30 am

The AD is to busy with the baseball coach. or ex-baseball coach.

hockey nut · Post by **hockey nut** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:49 am

I have not played for Russ, but I am a Hastings hockey fan. Over the last 4 years I have seen the best hockey players in this community leave because of him, and at some point it needs to stop. He is burnt out, and needs to hand this over to someone young and full of energy. It all starts at the top, and for the Hastings community the top no longer cares.

If he is such a great coach win a game in 2007. You should be able to stumble across a win he High school level. To go 0-22 in the last 22 games should not be tolerated.

Glory_Days99 · Post by **Glory_Days99** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:54 am

Do you have kids in the booster program? Who should take over?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:54 am

Hastings played hard and their goalie was great.

They arent the most talented team but IMO Russ is getting the most out of them.

He didnt look burnt out ot me. He was as fiesty as ever.

If kids leave because they dont like the coach, they haven't been raised right.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:16 am

I'm curious Packerboy if you play or played for Welch? Me being a former St Paul Suburbanite, i remember the old days when the Packer fans could't wait to get rid of this guy. I have no connection to the Hastings program, but i must say, i would be very disheartend if i had kids down there. Wouldn't you? Some people have a passion for there program. That's a good thing. It's not only hockey nut , but i have heard this for a few year's now. There must be some truth to what's being said. Last time i checked fiesty didn't win too many hockey games.

hockey nut · Post by **hockey nut** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:23 am

I don't now if there is anyone in Hastings or not. I would open this up to the whole state. There are alot of good coaches out ther.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:02 pm

I was an observer when Coach Welch was at SSP.

What I observed was one well coached and successful team after another.

I dont know what the gripe is against him. When he has talent, he wins. Just like any other good coach.

Anybody who has been anywhere for a period of time will have detractors. They grow on you. Its part of the deal. You cant please everybody.

Dont be fooled by thinking that a few loudmouths speak for the entire program.

I know kids have left but just a few years ago they were coming form all over to play in the Hastings program and Coach Welch was the guy then.

Fiesty wins a lot of hockey games if the players pick up on it.

Remember, Herbies players didnt like him either.

But honestly I have no insight at all into what the complaints are so I dunno what the problem is.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:49 pm

First of all. Were not comparing Mr. Welch to Herb Brooks, Correct? I guess i really don't know the whole situation either, but i do remember back in the "old" St Paul Suburban days hearing much the same talk from the Packer fans. I don't think anyone was crying when he left. I guess i'm not saying Welch isn't maybe a good X's and O's man, but that being said does not make you a good coach. I do remember Section 4 being probably the worst Section in the State at the time. Humbolt-St Agnes-Como-Cretin when they stunk.etc. If Mr Welch is such a good coach, wouldn't you think they would have won a game by now? No matter what side of the fence your on, something is definetly wrong down there. Would you agree?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:14 pm

ALSECORD wrote:First of all. Were not comparing Mr. Welch to Herb Brooks, Correct? I guess i really don't know the whole situation either, but i do remember back in the "old" St Paul Suburban days hearing much the same talk from the Packer fans. I don't think anyone was crying when he left. I guess i'm not saying Welch isn't maybe a good X's and O's man, but that being said does not make you a good coach. I do remember Section 4 being probably the worst Section in the State at the time. Humbolt-St Agnes-Como-Cretin when they stunk.etc. If Mr Welch is such a good coach, wouldn't you think they would have won a game by now? No matter what side of the fence your on, something is definetly wrong down there. Would you agree?

No, I am not comparing Welch to Brooks but that doesnt change the fact that players dont have to like their coach for the team to have success. Their are many examples of successful coaches who weren't popular with their players.

If mommy lets witto baby leave Hastings because the coach is such a big meanie , then yah, there are lots of problems down there. But the problem might not be with just the coach.

Welch has probably made something around 8 or 9 state tournament trips and has done well in St Paul. How many coahes coaching right now can say that?

I have seen his team this year. They dont have a great deal of talent but they look like they are well coached. I think they will win some games this season.

Coach Welch has coached in 2 pretty good old time hockey towns. Good hockey towns are great places because of the enthusiasm and dedication to the team. But they are also full of a lot of experts who just know the coach isnt doing it right. You have to keep that in mind when you hear stuff.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:30 pm

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13587

This has been beat to death once already.

Hockey Nut can't accept the fact that the program is in a dry spell on talent, they expect to go to state every year yet the youth program hasn't had a team finish above .500 for a while.

Hastings has went to State 6x's in thier history, Mr Welch has guided them in 4 of them.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:42 pm

Again. Guided them thru the worst section in the State. Wasn't the coach prior to Welch fired for not winning? Does anyone know how many games he lost in a row before getting his pink slip? He must not have been part of the "good ole boy" thing they got going down there. Understand your dealing with a Passionate Sports town. Emotions are going to run high when seemingly your whole program is falling apart and you haven't won in a year. When you lose 20-30 games in a row, the problems are far deeper than a run of bad luck, a few missed opurtunities or a dry spell. Name me one town accross this State that wouldn't be reacting the same way.

AngusYoung · Post by **AngusYoung** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:54 pm

ALSECORD wrote:Again. Guided them thru the worst section in the State. Wasn't the coach prior to Welch fired for not winning? Does anyone know how many games he lost in a row before getting his pink slip? He must not have been part of the "good ole boy" thing they got going down there. Understand your dealing with a Passionate Sports town. Emotions are going to run high when seemingly your whole program is falling apart and you haven't won in a year. When you lose 20-30 games in a row, the problems are far deeper than a run of bad luck, a few missed opurtunities or a dry spell. Name me one town accross this State that wouldn't be reacting the same way.

OK, I'll give you five: Breck, Blake, Holy Angels, Hill-Murray, and CDH.

AY

breakout · Post by **breakout** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:55 pm

Pucknutz69 wrote:http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13587

This has been beat to death once already.

Hockey Nut can't accept the fact that the program is in a dry spell on talent, they expect to go to state every year yet the youth program hasn't had a team finish above .500 for a while.

Hastings has went to State 6x's in thier history, Mr Welch has guided them in 4 of them.

Impressive number of state appearances. Many coaches struggle to get there once during their coaching tenure.

I can't understand why the youth/feeder program is struggling. I am guessing their is a solid demographic base in Hastings. Time to market the sport in the river town???

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:56 pm

Al, there is only so far you can go with the weak section argument.

At Hastings, his teams won 20+ games each year that they were in the state tournament

All 4 years, they lost in the tournamnet to the eventual champion. Twice in the semis by one goal and once in the finals to Roseau.

So, its not like he was 15-10 , thru a weak section and then 2 and out by big scores.

We recognize the passion for hockey in Hastings as previously posted but maybe that passion is getting in the way of some realisitc expectations.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:15 pm

Some associations skate AAA in the summer to get more experience and to keep up with the times. Woodbury is an association that has definately stepped it up in the summer, but I believe Wes Bolin only does something with the bantam age kids for 2 weeks in the summer and Bill Moore has run a summer camp that runs for 5 weeks he has been doing this for about 10 years, but he will tell you he does that for the money. The PARENTS of Woodbury have taken it upon themselves to create or find teams for thier kids to skate on. How much does Aus do in the summer or WBL coaches?? I believe they only do the minimum with the HS players. Hockey Nut is putting it all on Welch yet very few of the kids on the HS team and bantam team have played summer AAA anywhere. They sat back and didn't want to join the rest of the towns. Some of the kids that left skated summer AAA, maybe that's where they got the ideas to go skate elsewhere???

Their rink didn't used to open until Mid September, and tryouts aren't until the end of October.

I think Russ has earned the right to chose when he wants to leave, not be forced out by some pissed off parent that can't read the writing on the wall.

Yes the worst section in the state but a 2nd place, 3rd place, 4th place and consolation champs. Many others would give alot just to go once. And when Sots was at the end of his coaching career, What was the talent level in Hastings at the time????

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:24 pm

AngusYoung wrote:
ALSECORD wrote:Again. Guided them thru the worst section in the State. Wasn't the coach prior to Welch fired for not winning? Does anyone know how many games he lost in a row before getting his pink slip? He must not have been part of the "good ole boy" thing they got going down there. Understand your dealing with a Passionate Sports town. Emotions are going to run high when seemingly your whole program is falling apart and you haven't won in a year. When you lose 20-30 games in a row, the problems are far deeper than a run of bad luck, a few missed opurtunities or a dry spell. Name me one town accross this State that wouldn't be reacting the same way.
OK, I'll give you five: Breck, Blake, Holy Angels, Hill-Murray, and CDH.

AY

Yup, and here are a few more: Centennial, Eastview, North Metro and CEC. All great towns.

ALSECORD · Post by **ALSECORD** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:06 pm

I was actually refering to his days at SSP when refering to Section 4 being so weak. I lost touch after he left SSP. I can't give an intelligent response to the year's he went to State as Hastings coach in the 90's as i lived out of State. I'm told he had a very rare group of athletes that comes along every 25 year's, and his kids were involved at that time. Which would explain having more passion than he may have now. I'm not speaking for hockey nuts or anyone else who has posted on this subject, but i think that may be what some of the community is saying. Once his kids were finished he pulled the plug on the whole program. Now he's going to wait a few more year's so he can get his extra 200.00 a month on his teaching pension. And although i feel for the players i could care less if they win or lose, but i do understand a communities passion for their sport. And I don't believe for a minute that Programs such as Breck-HA-HM-Eastview-Centennial etc. would put with 22-23 losses in row. I know Woodbury wouldn't.

AngusYoung · Post by **AngusYoung** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:44 pm

packerboy wrote:
AngusYoung wrote:
ALSECORD wrote:Again. Guided them thru the worst section in the State. Wasn't the coach prior to Welch fired for not winning? Does anyone know how many games he lost in a row before getting his pink slip? He must not have been part of the "good ole boy" thing they got going down there. Understand your dealing with a Passionate Sports town. Emotions are going to run high when seemingly your whole program is falling apart and you haven't won in a year. When you lose 20-30 games in a row, the problems are far deeper than a run of bad luck, a few missed opurtunities or a dry spell. Name me one town accross this State that wouldn't be reacting the same way.
OK, I'll give you five: Breck, Blake, Holy Angels, Hill-Murray, and CDH.

AY
Yup, and here are a few more: Centennial, Eastview, North Metro and CEC. All great towns.

Pack - You forgot Greenway.

Welch seems to be a tool behind the bench - not sure how good of a coach he is. However, if you are going to espouse his value as a coach by pointing to his past records when they are good, I would say that when his record is poor, than the measurement stays the same. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

AY

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:31 pm

AngusYoung wrote:
packerboy wrote:
AngusYoung wrote: OK, I'll give you five: Breck, Blake, Holy Angels, Hill-Murray, and CDH.

AY
Yup, and here are a few more: Centennial, Eastview, North Metro and CEC. All great towns.
Pack - You forgot Greenway.

Welch seems to be a tool behind the bench - not sure how good of a coach he is. However, if you are going to espouse his value as a coach by pointing to his past records when they are good, I would say that when his record is poor, than the measurement stays the same. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

AY

Well , that would mean that a coaches competence fluctuates wildy from year to year which may not make sense to some. At least not to that degree (20-5 to 5-20).

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