Mr. Hockey 2008?

SiouxRecruit · Post by **SiouxRecruit** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:53 am

MNHockeyplayer19 wrote:F- Joey Wikoff- East Grand Forks 4.0 darn smart
F- John Grabanski- East Grand Forks B average helps coach soccer
G- Alex Christensen- East Grand Forks Elite and also help coach soccer

hahahahaha keep dreaming!!

Wave Fan 68 · Post by **Wave Fan 68** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:01 pm

Fargo wrote:NESS

no sir you are wrong JOE GLEASON

Wave Fan 68 · Post by **Wave Fan 68** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:04 pm

SiouxRecruit wrote:
MNHockeyplayer19 wrote:F- Joey Wikoff- East Grand Forks 4.0 darn smart
F- John Grabanski- East Grand Forks B average helps coach soccer
G- Alex Christensen- East Grand Forks Elite and also help coach soccer

hahahahaha keep dreaming!!

i agree good players and all around good guys

Stars03 · Post by **Stars03** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:24 pm

Jake Johnson?Ya he is good but I dont think hes ready for Mr. Hockey.

sid_the_kid · Post by **sid_the_kid** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:37 am

has anybody seen jake youso play?? cuz he's your 08 mr hockey FOR SURE

eastranger19 · Post by **eastranger19** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:06 am

Youso, No doubt.

fkahckyprofessor20 · Post by **fkahckyprofessor20** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:54 pm

Stars03 wrote:Jake Johnson?Ya he is good but I dont think hes ready for Mr. Hockey.

78 points last season and already 9 in two games this season. The only reason he doesn't have a shot is because he plays in single A. That's the exact reason why Youso won't win it either. Even though I hate to admit it the guy who said take all the single A players out was right. When's the last time a class A player won the award? Ever?

hawkeyfan · Post by **hawkeyfan** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:07 pm

fkahckyprofessor20 wrote:
Stars03 wrote:Jake Johnson?Ya he is good but I dont think hes ready for Mr. Hockey.
78 points last season and already 9 in two games this season. The only reason he doesn't have a shot is because he plays in single A. That's the exact reason why Youso won't win it either. Even though I hate to admit it the guy who said take all the single A players out was right. When's the last time a class A player won the award? Ever?

Johnny pohl 1997

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:10 pm

fkahckyprofessor20 wrote:
Stars03 wrote:Jake Johnson?Ya he is good but I dont think hes ready for Mr. Hockey.
78 points last season and already 9 in two games this season. The only reason he doesn't have a shot is because he plays in single A. That's the exact reason why Youso won't win it either. Even though I hate to admit it the guy who said take all the single A players out was right. When's the last time a class A player won the award? Ever?

Even T.J Oshie didn't win it after scoring 100 points his senior year at (single A) Warroad. Defenseman Brian Lee from (double A) Moorhead won it after scoring 38 points in 25 games. Was Brian Lee the best defenseman in the state? I don't think so... senior defenseman Matt Niskanen had 65 points in 29 games for (single A) Virginia. Currently, Lee's doing okay in the AHL, Niskanen is thriving in the NHL.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:24 pm

MNHockey75 wrote:And by the way, Ness is a junior, if he wasn't he would get my vote which is just common sense. I find it hard to believe MSHSL (or whoever gives the award away) will allow a junior who's education is being advanced during his junior year to graduate sooner could win it. I hope I'm wrong.

The Minnesota Minutemen assemble the ballot. College coaches and NHL scouts vote for the winner. The Minnesota Minutement sponsor and present the award. All parties are aware of Ness's situation. They are tracking his academic progress, and if he's pacing, he will most likely be eligible for the award. On my list I have him as "contingent". If he's eligible, he's the front-runner.

History has shown patterns that favor players from public AA schools, though exceptions are present. If I had to handicap the race (without Ness), here are your top three...

4/1 - Jake Gardiner - Minnetonka
6/1 - Tyler Barnes - Burnsville
7/1 - Joe Gleason - Edina

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:26 pm

Let's remember who is voting on this award. It isn't a bunch of fools with no background in hockey.

Second, it isn't meant to be an award aimed at reflecting long term projected performance. It is to reflect one season. So bringing up performance since then is a moot point.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:31 pm

Gopher Blog wrote:Let's remember who is voting on this award. It isn't a bunch of fools with no background in hockey.

Second, it isn't meant to be an award aimed at reflecting long term projected performance. It is to reflect one season. So bringing up performance since then is a moot point.

Agreed, but it seems like Niskanen could have been the better defenseman back then too. Although, I have no idea how the other criteria of the award applied to that season's candidates. Ultimately, those other criteria are the biggest unknown variables.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:41 pm

The Exiled One wrote:Agreed, but it seems like Niskanen could have been the better defenseman back then too. Although, I have no idea how the other criteria of the award applied to that season's candidates. Ultimately, those other criteria are the biggest unknown variables.

It is a subjective vote. Could have been? Possibly (depending on the vantage point). Was he? Maybe, maybe not. Lee was drafted higher that year and was rated higher by CSB throughout that year. While there is more to that stuff than current performance during their draft year, it does reflect a current opinion at that time.

As far as point totals, they are often misleading. Especially when one player faced a tough schedule than the other.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:56 pm

Gopher Blog wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:Agreed, but it seems like Niskanen could have been the better defenseman back then too. Although, I have no idea how the other criteria of the award applied to that season's candidates. Ultimately, those other criteria are the biggest unknown variables.
It is a subjective vote. Could have been? Possibly (depending on the vantage point). Was he? Maybe, maybe not. Lee was drafted higher that year and was rated higher by CSB throughout that year. While there is more to that stuff than current performance during their draft year, it does reflect a current opinion at that time.

As far as point totals, they are often misleading. Especially when one player faced a tough schedule than the other.

...which is why there's an inherent disadvantage to playing in single A!! In the end we always end up agreeing.

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:19 pm

The Exiled One wrote:...which is why there's an inherent disadvantage to playing in single A!! In the end we always end up agreeing.

It is only a disadvantage if the voters were focused on a stat sheet and din't see anything else. I don't think that is the case.

I brought up the misleading points aspect because you brought up two player point totals and it seemed like you were trying to make a point of one over the other with it.

It also doesn't help when some strong candidates from Class A leave for juniors. This year being a prime example.

The Exiled One · Post by **The Exiled One** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:27 pm

Gopher Blog wrote:
The Exiled One wrote:...which is why there's an inherent disadvantage to playing in single A!! In the end we always end up agreeing.
It is only a disadvantage if the voters were focused on a stat sheet and din't see anything else. I don't think that is the case.

I brought up the misleading points aspect because you brought up two player point totals and it seemed like you were trying to make a point of one over the other with it.

It also doesn't help when some strong candidates from Class A leave for juniors. This year being a prime example.

I think they do look at some stat totals, but that doesn't relate to this point...

Even when scouting some of these GREAT single A players live, scouts and coaches are taking everything with a grain of salt because of the softer competition. Again, an inherent disadvantage to the single A schools.

I agree that there were some fine single A candidates that left for juniors this year.

What did you think of my handicapping?

petern3 · Post by **petern3** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:46 pm

I think that Joe Gleason from Edina should be the single top candidate this year, because he is on the top team in the state. I predict he will get a considerable amount of points (40+), and hold his his team to near un-defeated season. I picked McDonagh from Cretin prior to last season's start and he recieved Mr. Hockey honors, so I'm hoping i'm right again this year.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:21 pm

Wave Fan 68 wrote:
Fargo wrote:NESS
no sir you are wrong JOE GLEASON

You may be right. Gleason is a good player on a great team and a senior.

Ness is a great player on a pretty good team trying to be a junior/senior while flying all over the country playing for multiple top teams this fall. If Ness gets his academics to senior level soon enough then I think he wins the award. I predict Ness will be on the ice pretty much all the time like Henry Boucha was for Warroad years ago.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:23 pm

[quote="The Exiled One"][quote="MNHockey75"]And by the way, Ness is a junior, if he wasn't he would get my vote which is just common sense. I find it hard to believe MSHSL (or whoever gives the award away) will allow a junior who's education is being advanced during his junior year to graduate sooner could win it. I hope I'm wrong.[/quote]
The Minnesota Minutemen assemble the ballot. College coaches and NHL scouts vote for the winner. The Minnesota Minutement sponsor and present the award. All parties are aware of Ness's situation. They are tracking his academic progress, and if he's pacing, he will most likely be eligible for the award. On my list I have him as "contingent". If he's eligible, he's the front-runner.

History has shown patterns that favor players from public AA schools, though exceptions are present. If I had to handicap the race (without Ness), here are your top three...

4/1 - Jake Gardiner - Minnetonka
6/1 - Tyler Barnes - Burnsville
7/1 - Joe Gleason - Edina[/quote]

This is probably a decent assesment.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:34 pm

[quote="blainebengalhockey10"][quote="livingthelife"]Here is the list after 4 pages of discussion from one of the several other threads about Mr. Hockey this year. Not a bad starting point...

F - Tyler Barnes - Burnsville (Wisconsin recruit)
F - Ryan Bohrer - Cretin
D - Corey Feinhage - Eastview (UND recruit)
F - Joe Frazer - Brainerd (Nebraska-Omaha recruit)
D - Jake Gardiner - Minnetonka (Wisconsin recruit)
D - Joe Gleason - Edina (UND recruit)
F - Jake Johnson - Duluth Denfield
F - Justin Jokinen - Cloquet/Esko/Carlton
F - Zach Lehrke - Park Rapids
F - Adam Mueller - Roseville (Mankato recruit)
F - Ben Nelson - Roseau
D - Drew Olson - Brainerd
F - John O'Neill - Anoka (Duluth recruit)
F - Bryce Ravndalen - Warroad (St. Cloud State recruit)
D - Chris Student - Benilde (Northeastern recruit)
F - Jake Youso - International Falls (Minnesota recruit)[/quote]

personally i like Ben Nelson thiis kid is good .. i've seen him play[/quote]

Ben is a pretty good player but sometimes chomps his jaw too much to the ref(s) (Ron Storey a couple years ago vs. Warroad), not so stellar in class (if in class), community service???etc.. Unless Ben has changed alot the intangible criteria will not allow him to win the award.

[b]Ness[/b] is a better candidate if ....

grizz8920 · Post by **grizz8920** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:01 pm

Lane Gustavson from Burnsville is a very solid contender. I would not be shocked if he up more than 60 points in the lake conference this year.

The Weight Room · Post by **The Weight Room** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:07 pm

why hasnt JT Brown even been mentioned? I think hes making his case averaging over 3 points a game.

mnpuck1233 · Post by **mnpuck1233** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:41 pm

Didnt Lane Gustafson from Burnsville break his wrist? too bad..but he'll hopefully be back in a month

petern3 · Post by **petern3** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:40 pm

Ness is the best player in the state this year so he deserves to win the award if he get's senior status, but i think Joe Gleason will still most likely win the award.

ehshockey · Post by **ehshockey** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:55 pm

JOE GLEASON OBVIOUSLY!