Section 3A

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:36 pm

card4life wrote:Willmars last season was a disappointment, yes they had a descent coach but he started to make poor choices. Trying to bring up sophomores and juiors that had no right to step on the ice costs the team big time in many games. In highschool you play two lines and everyonce in awhile a third...never do you play 4 just cuz you have a full roster, any coach should have known that.

Or... like any person who has ever been around hockey should know, that if you don't have a team that has the talent to go anywhere, you bring up younger players to give them varsity experience that makes them better in upcoming years. The Sophomores and Juniors that got brought up were only going to get better playing against better competition.

suntzu · Post by **suntzu** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:47 pm

card4life wrote:Willmars last season was a disappointment, yes they had a descent coach but he started to make poor choices. Trying to bring up sophomores and juiors that had no right to step on the ice costs the team big time in many games. In highschool you play two lines and everyonce in awhile a third...never do you play 4 just cuz you have a full roster, any coach should have known that.

The only mistake he made last year was not cutting many of the seniors at the start of the season. Just because a kid has "paid his dues" at the youth level in the eyes of the parents doesn't give him a right to play high school hockey.

And I think you mean in Willmar you can't play three or four lines because the youth program hasn't developed the players. There are plenty of school (yes, even A schools) that play three lines.

Bhindthemask · Post by **Bhindthemask** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:51 pm

Hey card4life
I have a question for you. If you only play two lines, and they are all seniors, how do your other players gain experience for next year? If your youth program is doing it's job, an A school can still put together 3 lines. Another thing, since when does being a senior atomatically grant you more ice time than a junior or sophomore? I don't care how old you are, or how much you think you deserve to be out on the ice. At the high school level if your working hard and playing well you better be on the ice no matter what a senior mother thinks of her son sitting on the bench. What is Willmars enrollment? There are much small schools in Class A that are playing 3 lines and maybe 4.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:07 pm

In high school hockey you cannot simply "play for next year", especially if you have seniors. Not knowing about this situation in Willmar, I'm just shooting from the hip, but you have to put your best team on the ice so you have an opportunity to win the game. If that means a senior rides pine or gets cut, fine. But if you cut seniors just so a younger guy gets experience, well, I think that's wrong.

Goldy Gopher · Post by **Goldy Gopher** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:18 pm

Mikey wrote:In high school hockey you cannot simply "play for next year", especially if you have seniors. Not knowing about this situation in Willmar, I'm just shooting from the hip, but you have to put your best team on the ice so you have an opportunity to win the game. If that means a senior rides pine or gets cut, fine. But if you cut seniors just so a younger guy gets experience, well, I think that's wrong.

The point was not that seniors were cut to make room for the younger guys. It was that toward the end of the season the younger guys who weren't necessarily varsity quality were seeing varsity playing time.

Bhindthemask · Post by **Bhindthemask** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:13 am

Mikey, I wasn't suggesting that you sacrifice skilled players for less skilled players just to get them experience. I was simply stating that if you have a junior playing at a higher level than a senior, he has to be on the ice not considering his class. I also am shooting from the hip, really not knowing the situation, but at what point in a four win season do you start to look at preparing for next year.

h20 · Post by **h20** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:40 pm

Hey Card4life, Now i know there is a problem out there,just when in hockey do you see a winning team ever platy just 2 lines, thats CRAZY,, and what gave the seniors the right to play all the time, remember you can count your wins on one hand, this is varisty boy, its not feel good hockey,
The coach should have gotten rid of the non-producers{and the way it sounds- seniors} long before he did, heck he might stilll be the head coach,,,,
so if the seniors played most of the time, got any scoring stats , the way it sounds the were sme seniors that havnt even score in 2 years of varisty,, WOW

card4life · Post by **card4life** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:23 pm

First off yes i do agree that if a younger player is better, then a senior should be either cut or benched..however if you want to pull out stats in the beginning of the season when playing only 2.5 lines (of mostly seniors) the team averaged over 5 goals a game and were still losing..the older players were obviously doing their jobs and deserved to play and it wasnt unitl younger players played more when the team starting to score 1 maybe 2 or 3 goals a game.....and by the way if you are scoring over 5 goals a game and are under .500 maybe some attention should be given to the goalies with save percentages under .600

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:11 pm

Card, I think you just hit the nail on the head. Your boys lost confidence in your goaltenders and couldn't play the wide open offensive game that had you scoring 5-6 goals. When you had to start playing both ways because your tenders needed help, you guys couldn't score anymore.

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:15 pm

Willmar MN 5 8 Morris/Benson MN
Willmar MN 0 8 St Cloud Tech MN
Willmar MN 6 5 Litchfield MN
Willmar MN 6 6 Hutchinson MN
Willmar MN 5 4 Prairie Centre MN
Willmar MN 0 4 Alexandria MN
Willmar MN 13 2 Redwood Valley MN
Willmar MN 1 3 River Lakes MN
Willmar MN 2 1 Prairie Centre MN
Willmar MN 1 4 Fergus Falls MN
Willmar MN 2 4 St Cloud Apollo MN
Willmar MN 3 5 Sauk Rapids MN
Willmar MN 4 5 Sartell MN
Willmar MN 2 5 St Cloud Tech MN
Willmar MN 4 4 River Lakes MN
Willmar MN 1 4 Brainerd MN
Willmar MN 5 6 Wadena MN
Willmar MN 6 3 Alexandria MN
Willmar MN 0 7 Little Falls MN
Willmar MN 0 9 Little Falls MN
Willmar MN 1 10 Fergus Falls MN
Willmar MN 3 3 St Cloud Apollo MN
Willmar MN 2 3 Litchfield MN
Willmar MN 1 3 Sartell MN
Willmar MN 1 4 Sauk Rapids MN
Willmar MN 1 4 Fergus Falls MN

h20 · Post by **h20** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:04 pm

JEEEEEZ card 4 life , get a life, look at who you were playing at the beginning of the year, dont ya think most people could score goals on those teams, got any stats on scoring for the seniors, now dont leave anybody out , i cant believe a coach would disrupt great scoring lines just to bring new kids on the block,, there must have been something rotten out there.
now we blame the Goalies, well if you aloow them to shoot in the slot for most of the shots , it dont matter who you got in the goal thier save percentage is going to be poor,, got any more blame out there , seems if the seniors where playing most of the time , one would have to look alot at the seniors, you must have been a senior i bet

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:31 pm

Here is your scoring for the Willmar team:
http://www.geocities.com/dent0110/2007willmar.html

card4life · Post by **card4life** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:09 pm

stats for willmars past season...seniors 130 pts, juniors 38 pts, sophs 5 pts....stats dont lie seniors and the handful of juniors deserved to play. and to answer you yes i was a senior, so H2O where are you from you sound like a pissed off underclassmen who didnt make the cut for your team

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:54 pm

card4life wrote:stats for willmars past season...seniors 130 pts, juniors 38 pts, sophs 5 pts....stats dont lie seniors and the handful of juniors deserved to play. and to answer you yes i was a senior, so H2O where are you from you sound like a pissed off underclassmen who didnt make the cut for your team

Last years seniors totaled 46 points as juniors
Last years juniors totaled 14 points as sophomores (only two played)
Last years sophomores totaled 2 points as freshman (1 player)

Three of the seniors last year either didn't play or didn't score as juniors and 5 of last years juniors either didn't play varsity or didn't score.

So whats your point about the total number of points by the seniors? Seems like they played plenty. Actually those numbers are pretty typical for any HS team, the older you get, the more points you get because your playing more. You're all pissed off because Larson played two sophomores, but he played three the year before.

Your team severly underachieved last year and the blame apparently got directed at the coach. At the start of the season, I would have put Willmar in the top two in the section with all the juniors and seniors on the team.

Was their maybe a little atitude and disipline problems with some of the players after all the loses? Maybe thats the reason the coach started playing younger players towards the end of the year?

Curious to know if your playing hockey this year?

h20 · Post by **h20** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:26 pm

hey card4 life , nice the seniors got all them goals, but in the same token take the blame a bit for the ones you allowed,,, remember a handfull of wins for a senior dominated team ,thats an accomplishment to put in the annual to remember, Stats dont lie ,5 wins, 3 against teams that you shouldnt even be playing . most feel good for a powerhouse like yours to beat Praire Centre twice and then get your hands on that great Redwood Valley team, what, is that thier 2nd year of hockey,, they say in high school remember the good times, weel you had 5 wins for the season by the great senior led team,,,,,,, BE HAPPY

card4life · Post by **card4life** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:18 pm

im not gonna lie, our hockey program is embarassing, im not gonna sit here and say that we were good or that a bad coach cost us all of those games...we didnt have talent plain and simple, we had maybe 3 actually good players...behind the mask you are right, at the beginning of the season everyone else thought the same as you..that we were good, we all fell for the hype and stopped working (by the way i play club at the U of M).......H2O still interested in where you are from, you seem to have quite the opinion on this subject

Bhindthemask · Post by **Bhindthemask** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:15 pm

enough with this already. This topic has been beat to death. Anyone care to discuss anything else pertaining to Section 3a?

IbleedOrange_07 · Post by **IbleedOrange_07** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:44 am

section 3a should be interesting. all teams should be pretty equal after last years upper classmen losses. NU probably has the best advantage as they have some experience left in their line-up from last year which should transfer over to leadership. willmar has always played tough hockey and can compete. marshall working from abck to front has a strong goalie ivers, defense men like ogdahl and hemish and even marron, forwards krogen ogdahl doom for returning kids (marron the exception) however injury and penalties seems to plague this grade of athletes and could become a huge factor this season.. they have a young team as well looking for kids like schafer sattler and vandersveil to step it up.

gopherfan06 · Post by **gopherfan06** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:10 pm

With a new section and everything who were even some of the leading scorers on their teams last year and who are the players to look out for this year? Anybody know where you can find some stats from last year? What are some scrimmages some of these teams will be participating in coming up in the next couple weeks?

Bhindthemask · Post by **Bhindthemask** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:24 am

It's proabably going to be tough to find stats from last year but if you find anything let us know. It's cool to see what a kid can do from one year to the next. Coming from the southewest, if anyone has any info on who the goal scorers were from last year I would be very interested. As far as returning players goes,I would assume that maybe Krogen(Marshall) lead the conference, but thats just a guess.

gopherfan06 · Post by **gopherfan06** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:35 pm

Anyone else out there have any more info?

darkdemon · Post by **darkdemon** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:09 am

This section truly is a joke

th High school league really screwed up they wanted to do away with a weak section 4A and created an even weaker section(good job) let the members on the High school hockey forums create the sections they would have done a better job (what a pure dissapointment)

bombsquad06 · Post by **bombsquad06** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:26 pm

Yea what a joke! The teams in this section shouldn't even play this season. It's so week that they should just cancel all games of teams in 3a. Give me a break. I think if you don't have anything good to say than don't say it at all. If you think that section 3a is weak than so be it you don't need to let everyone else know. It might be different if you would accually have a name and maybe some clout in the hockey world. But you have nothing so shut mouth.

newsguy35 · Post by **newsguy35** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:12 pm

bombsquad06 wrote:Yea what a joke! The teams in this section shouldn't even play this season. It's so week that they should just cancel all games of teams in 3a. Give me a break. I think if you don't have anything good to say than don't say it at all. If you think that section 3a is weak than so be it you don't need to let everyone else know. It might be different if you would accually have a name and maybe some clout in the hockey world. But you have nothing so shut mouth.

I am not sure who you are exactly directing your anger towards but you should be thanking god and the MSHSL section makers because you have a chance at going to state without having to go thru an elite team.

Bhindthemask · Post by **Bhindthemask** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:58 pm

Does it make a lot of sense to come into a section 3A thread and talk about how poor you think this section is? It is called competetive section assignments for a reason. So because they can't compete with the "elite teams" they shouldn't be aloud to play? Look at the situations of the 3A teams. With the exception of Marshall and Worthington, none of the teams in the Southwest Conference have an enfollment of more than 350 students. So if your from an "elite" Class A school maybe you should play a AA schedule so you can see the challenges of competing against schools that have 4 times as many students to choose from. Unless your from Roseau, don't come in here running your mouth about "elite teams". If you can have an enrollment of 410 and still compete at Class AA. then and only then are you allowed to be considered Elite, because no one else does it.

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