Barry Bonds

theref · Post by **theref** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:07 pm

Too bad Barry doesn't have that kind of class and witt. He'd probably be a lot richer and people might actually cheer for him.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 4:30 pm

It's awesome to see how many people on here care about this guy. Guess that's what you get when you cheat.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:09 pm

Anybody else think it is a little bit funny he hit #755 off a guy that was suspended for using steroids while he was in the minors?

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:14 pm

State Champ 97 wrote:Anybody else think it is a little bit funny he hit #755 off a guy that was suspended for using steroids while he was in the minors?

lol... I missed that! That is funny. Maybe we can ship Rincon to Washington after the game tonight so he could be in SF by tomorrow!

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:52 pm

756 is gone *

EREmpireStrikesBack · Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:24 pm

Congrats Barry!

Also, I thought it was a very classy ceremony following the HR. Didn't expect to see a video from Hank, but was very happy to see it. I thought Barry did very well in his thank you's as well. Very well done.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:37 pm

I didn't get to watch it. Did he thank performance enhancers or those who supply them to him?

PanthersIn2011 · Post by **PanthersIn2011** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 7:54 am

One can imagine the conversation back stage at this year's Baseball Asterisk Hall of Fame induction ceremony:

"Barry, I'd like you to meet Shoeless Joe Jackson; Shoeless Joe, this is Barry Bonds. And this is Pete Rose. Pete, this is Barry. I believe you have already met Mr. McGwire and Mr. Sosa."

And so on ...

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 8:08 am

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:47 am

HRs before age 32
Hank Aaron 398
Barry Bonds 332

HRs after age 32
Hank Aaron 357
Barry Bonds 421

Hank played for 10 years after he turned 32 and so has Barry so they are approx on the same timeline. Only 64 HRs difference in that amount of time and considering the way players take care of themselves these days and the ability to stay healthy can easily contribute to the difference. Not saying that this completely takes away any question...

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:33 am

Congrats to Barry.

I dont get that worked up about career stats such as this but its a great accomplishment.

Hopefully we wont have to hear about it every flippin 5 minutes now.

Glad its over.

dangla. · Post by **dangla.** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:58 am

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:HRs before age 32
Hank Aaron 398
Barry Bonds 332

HRs after age 32
Hank Aaron 357
Barry Bonds 421

Hank played for 10 years after he turned 32 and so has Barry so they are approx on the same timeline. Only 64 HRs difference in that amount of time and considering the way players take care of themselves these days and the ability to stay healthy can easily contribute to the difference. Not saying that this completely takes away any question...

Quit your complaining he hit his 756 ok you cant do anything about it no one can only if he's guilty which i dont think he is or is going to be

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:28 pm

dangla. wrote:Quit your complaining he hit his 756 ok you cant do anything about it no one can only if he's guilty which i dont think he is or is going to be

dangla. wrote:well yeah

but i think a-rod used some kind of performance enhancing drug

Uh... You don't think he's guilty? On Monday you said he was. Which is it? (That's a hypothetical question, of course. We all know the answer).

I will say this about last night though... it was worth the wait to see Hank Aaron show what a class act he is - once again. That guy is something else. He's handled this thing perfectly all along the way. I have a feeling that he's going to end up with far more fans and admiration from this chase than Barry ever will.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:51 pm

dangla. wrote:
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:HRs before age 32
Hank Aaron 398
Barry Bonds 332

HRs after age 32
Hank Aaron 357
Barry Bonds 421

Hank played for 10 years after he turned 32 and so has Barry so they are approx on the same timeline. Only 64 HRs difference in that amount of time and considering the way players take care of themselves these days and the ability to stay healthy can easily contribute to the difference. Not saying that this completely takes away any question...

Quit your complaining he hit his 756 ok you cant do anything about it no one can only if he's guilty which i dont think he is or is going to be

Did you not read my post? I'm defending Barry...

Maybe you should try taking the period out of your name and using it in a post or two. I get a headache trying to piece your crap together.

Maybe we should make a special forum for just you and HSHockeyWatcher to talk to each other in. Might not work though because you'd drop out after a couple days...

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:02 pm

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:06 pm

State Champ 97 wrote:Anybody else think it is a little bit funny he hit #755 off a guy that was suspended for using steroids while he was in the minors?

I believe that's called irony.

It is a great accomplishment but thank god it's over, now we can watch baseball without interruptions every time Barry comes to bat.

dangla. · Post by **dangla.** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 4:23 pm

EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:
dangla. wrote:
EREmpireStrikesBack wrote:HRs before age 32
Hank Aaron 398
Barry Bonds 332

HRs after age 32
Hank Aaron 357
Barry Bonds 421

Hank played for 10 years after he turned 32 and so has Barry so they are approx on the same timeline. Only 64 HRs difference in that amount of time and considering the way players take care of themselves these days and the ability to stay healthy can easily contribute to the difference. Not saying that this completely takes away any question...

Quit your complaining he hit his 756 ok you cant do anything about it no one can only if he's guilty which i dont think he is or is going to be
Did you not read my post? I'm defending Barry...

Maybe you should try taking the period out of your name and using it in a post or two. I get a headache trying to piece your crap together.

Maybe we should make a special forum for just you and HSHockeyWatcher to talk to each other in. Might not work though because you'd drop out after a couple days...

i read it wrong my bad

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:36 pm

The one question I've had that no Barry supporter on here has answered is "if he is guilty (if he were, excuse me) why is he so rude about everything and why doesn't he explain the change?"

Plain and simple. When you don't cheat you can explain things to people. When you do, you can just hide and hope they never find out. You can say what you want, but if he were he's doing a very good job of making it look the opposite.

gopherhockey33 · Post by **gopherhockey33** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:40 am

regardless of what people think steriods dont make you hit the ball. hes still the best player ever until Arod will retire. he won 4 straight MVPs and 7 overall! and when people say hank aaron is the still the homerun kind thats a bunch of BS. he took so many more at bats then Babe and Barry. regardless of what you think bonds is the best.

Can't Never Tried · Post by **Can't Never Tried** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:51 am

* next to his name.
I think if he is using? the worst part is yet to come, and that's when his body repays him for the abuse.
Also if young people use because of him... even if they just think he used is enough to sway them the wrong way...because they're these young peoples heros.

It is a great accomplishment either way, but I will bet we'll here and see the truth in years to come just as we have with other athletes that used.

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:08 am

gopherhockey33 wrote:regardless of what people think steriods dont make you hit the ball. hes still the best player ever until Arod will retire. he won 4 straight MVPs and 7 overall! and when people say hank aaron is the still the homerun kind thats a bunch of BS. he took so many more at bats then Babe and Barry. regardless of what you think bonds is the best.

You'd have to to be a fool to think that Barry wasn't a great player prior to '99 (when his body started to noticibly change). He absolutely was... a constant .300 hitter, usually good for at least 35 HRs & 100 RBIs. He was (is) absolutely a great player.

But prior to 99, he had three 40 HR seasons... Starting in 1999, he had seasons of 34 (but missed 60 games due to injury), 49, 73, 46, 45 & 45. You could say that barring the injury, he would have had 6 consecutive 45+ HR seasons, when prior to that he had only 1.

And here's a piece of trivia I put together myself (a "Govs Special" if you will.... it was probably covered on tv or the net somewhere, but I'll take the credit for now!

)...

If you average Barry's HR production from 1987-1998 (throwing out his rookie season to be fair), Barry averaged 33 per year (395 through 12 seasons). If he had continued that pace from 1999 going forward, he would still be 2 years away from breaking the record and 44 years old

395 (HRs through 1998)+ 297 (a projected 33 per year from 99-07) =
692 HRs through 2007.

Could he have still done it? Maybe... it's very possible he could have done it. He was able to do it by conveniently increasing his HR average by 12 per year since 1999 though (he only played 14 games in '05, so that can't be counted either).

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:00 pm

Govs makes a very good point. Bonds probably could still be a great player without his use; in fact I bet using wears on your body in some fashion that his career may have been longer. Which is why I always wonder why you'd take that chance.

gopherhockey33, you can ignore me as much as you want, but others on here and many on ESPN have made this point too: you are very right, steroids don't help you hit the ball. What it does do is help you hit the ball farther when you do hit it. It is not disputed that Bonds was a great player before the juice started. So, you take a great player who can hit the ball, add steroids and they hit it harder (farther). Plain and simple.

SB24 · Post by **SB24** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:03 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Govs makes a very good point. Bonds probably could still be a great player without his use; in fact I bet using wears on your body in some fashion that his career may have been longer. Which is why I always wonder why you'd take that chance.

gopherhockey33, you can ignore me as much as you want, but others on here and many on ESPN have made this point too: you are very right, steroids don't help you hit the ball. What it does do is help you hit the ball farther when you do hit it. It is not disputed that Bonds was a great player before the juice started. So, you take a great player who can hit the ball, add steroids and they hit it harder (farther). Plain and simple.

Actually, if used in a particular mannor (i have no idea of the specifics) anabolic steriods have been proven to improve vision. For those of you that have actually played baseball you realize that any vision enhancement will greatly improve your ability to hit the ball.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Fri Aug 10, 2007 8:32 pm

Thanks for that SB24, had no idea. So, not only was the comment not valid because of what I was saying, but it's not valid because it's just not true. gopherhockey, what do you have to say now?

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:48 am

Interesting excerpt from "Book of Shadows":

“[Giants equipment mananager Mike] Murphy could document Bonds’s physical changes via the changes in his uniform size. Since joining the Giants, Bonds has gone from a size 42 to a size 52 jersey; from size 10 1/2 to size 13 cleats; and from a size 7 1/8 to size 7 1/4 cap, even though he had taken to shaving his head”