GrayBeard,
Sounds like you've been around awhile from your posts,and have some facts,I Did say Elite NHL players,Jack Blatherwick Wrote a good article on this that in MN our kids goals are to play @ the U of M,in Canada and Europe it is to play in the NHL,and probably some other states like Michigan or Mass.and our highschool state tourney is MN kids stanlet cup.
and my take on C level players practicing outside,you stated don't count them out.So the C level player should get the same treatment as A level because once every 25 yrs a kid who played C peewees makes it to the NHL,I believe your take on that, is exactly what is wrong with hockey in this state, we cater to everyone.Yes C players do make it,but not very often,if your still playing C's as a peewee,your chances of playing,after highschool are not good!thats a fact !!!!!! So when we train for hockey,don't count anyone out,this boy is a C player today but someday he'll be playing in the NHL,thats whats wrong with youth sports,watch this post will get removed,because theres to much truth and maybe someones feelings will be hurt
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Conditionally,
What a post! I'm glad people are starting to stick up for what's best for their kids.
Time will tell how Minnesota Made will do in developing hockey players. Until then relax. Let's see what happens. I wonder how many of the negative/critical people even know what Minnesota Made is about.
If you can develop these kids on a outdoor rink skating one time a month. Than more power to you. I think that's great! In return. Why worry about MM? Just ignore it. Develop your kids your way. And have fun playing the game. I'm happy for you. Most of all make it fun for your kid. I know my son will have a blast playing MM this winter.
What a post! I'm glad people are starting to stick up for what's best for their kids.
Time will tell how Minnesota Made will do in developing hockey players. Until then relax. Let's see what happens. I wonder how many of the negative/critical people even know what Minnesota Made is about.
If you can develop these kids on a outdoor rink skating one time a month. Than more power to you. I think that's great! In return. Why worry about MM? Just ignore it. Develop your kids your way. And have fun playing the game. I'm happy for you. Most of all make it fun for your kid. I know my son will have a blast playing MM this winter.
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Conditionally,
Very nice post! Well thought out, great points! It sums up the exact reason for any type of development at any sport, hobby or subject of interest.............Kids are all different!! They enjoy and excel at a variety of things and at different times in their lives. One shoe does not fit all kids, one reading level is not right for all kids, advanced math is not for all kids and Association Mite hockey is not right for all kids.
Again,nice post!
Very nice post! Well thought out, great points! It sums up the exact reason for any type of development at any sport, hobby or subject of interest.............Kids are all different!! They enjoy and excel at a variety of things and at different times in their lives. One shoe does not fit all kids, one reading level is not right for all kids, advanced math is not for all kids and Association Mite hockey is not right for all kids.
Again,nice post!
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I like!
Conditionally,
I like your post. Makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting to get the Boogeyman to MM for some fighting lessons. I see there's an article in Sports Illustraded about the Boogeyman. Can never start too young at defending yourself.
Question:
I'm curious why some of you are against Minnesota made?
Have you been associated with MM at all?
Are you just opposed to change?
What do you forsee?
I like your post. Makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting to get the Boogeyman to MM for some fighting lessons. I see there's an article in Sports Illustraded about the Boogeyman. Can never start too young at defending yourself.
Question:
I'm curious why some of you are against Minnesota made?
Have you been associated with MM at all?
Are you just opposed to change?
What do you forsee?
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Re: Elite Player
So the C team players parents spend the same amount of money per year but the A team should get more ice time. Just remember that there are more C and B players then A player and the C and B players are what allow rinks to be in every town. Last I checked A teams are on the ice 1-2 more times a week then a B or C team anyway. So how are they training the same?waylon wrote:So when we train for hockey,don't count anyone out,this boy is a C player today but someday he'll be playing in the NHL,thats whats wrong with youth sports,watch this post will get removed,because theres to much truth and maybe someones feelings will be hurt
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Quack,
They may all pay the same registration fee (which covers basic costs) but most metro associations charge each team by the hour for their individual ice time. Therefore, the costs for the extra ice time is being paid by the individual teams not by the association. You are right though that B and C teams outnumber A teams which is where the problem for most associations starts.
If a Board reflects the association it will have 1 -A team parent for every 5 -B/C team parents. Therefore a lot of their decisions are not based on making the program better for the best players and instead look at the masses. Nothing wrong with that if you want a mediocre program and I think that that is what some associations want; an organized rec league. If you really want to build a strong program you need to cater to the highest level and, at the same time, do everything possible to promote and encourage the other players in your association who want to get better, a chance to develop and eventually compete for those higher levels.
What bothers most parents is they either can't afford to keep up with the competition or don't want to take the their (or their kids) time to try and compete to be at the highest level. Multi sport players typically get squeezed as they get older. Parents don't want their kids to have to pick one sport over another but they also don't want their kid to lose ground in either sport. Only the most gifted athletes can excel at several sports and to do so takes a lot of dedication, time and money from the parents and players. For a player to get better at any sport they have to work at their game and if a parent doesn't support that, the player will be passed by others over time.
The EASY way out for parents who don't want to keep up is to try and discourage or make it hard for others to take advantage of opportunities that are available. That way players won't get that much better than their kid which ultimately brings everyone down to a lower level rather than trying to excel. They figured out that the best way to do this is to get on the association Board, make rules regarding move ups, playing time and other things and then become vocal whenever they think things aren't 'fair'. In their minds it is only considered fair when their kid (who doesn't take the time to get better) gets to play on the same teams for the same amount of time as the kid who puts in all the effort to get better.
Schools offer accelerated programs for gifted students that want to work hard and be the best that they can be, but in the world of sports, that's considered a bad idea. Associations need to start working toward that end or they will lose the best players to MM, AAA or other ventures that want to cater to the best players.
They may all pay the same registration fee (which covers basic costs) but most metro associations charge each team by the hour for their individual ice time. Therefore, the costs for the extra ice time is being paid by the individual teams not by the association. You are right though that B and C teams outnumber A teams which is where the problem for most associations starts.
If a Board reflects the association it will have 1 -A team parent for every 5 -B/C team parents. Therefore a lot of their decisions are not based on making the program better for the best players and instead look at the masses. Nothing wrong with that if you want a mediocre program and I think that that is what some associations want; an organized rec league. If you really want to build a strong program you need to cater to the highest level and, at the same time, do everything possible to promote and encourage the other players in your association who want to get better, a chance to develop and eventually compete for those higher levels.
What bothers most parents is they either can't afford to keep up with the competition or don't want to take the their (or their kids) time to try and compete to be at the highest level. Multi sport players typically get squeezed as they get older. Parents don't want their kids to have to pick one sport over another but they also don't want their kid to lose ground in either sport. Only the most gifted athletes can excel at several sports and to do so takes a lot of dedication, time and money from the parents and players. For a player to get better at any sport they have to work at their game and if a parent doesn't support that, the player will be passed by others over time.
The EASY way out for parents who don't want to keep up is to try and discourage or make it hard for others to take advantage of opportunities that are available. That way players won't get that much better than their kid which ultimately brings everyone down to a lower level rather than trying to excel. They figured out that the best way to do this is to get on the association Board, make rules regarding move ups, playing time and other things and then become vocal whenever they think things aren't 'fair'. In their minds it is only considered fair when their kid (who doesn't take the time to get better) gets to play on the same teams for the same amount of time as the kid who puts in all the effort to get better.
Schools offer accelerated programs for gifted students that want to work hard and be the best that they can be, but in the world of sports, that's considered a bad idea. Associations need to start working toward that end or they will lose the best players to MM, AAA or other ventures that want to cater to the best players.
For all you MM Mite people. You may want to check with your association to see if you have to be waived back in to your association after playing MM Mite hockey. Is that impossible? I would suggest you check.
If you have been attacking your association and you are discovered it may make the possibility of being waived back into the association more difficult for you. For instance, those in Chan Man's association have probably figured out who he is.
Chan Man and friends seem to have various levels of knowledge with hockey development and the hockey landscape in general. Therefore, being a kind hearted person I am going to provide you with another alternative to association hockey so your future NHL kids can thrive and get to know more kids from Wisconsin.
Wisconsin AAA Fire Hockey (AAA)
1980 104th Street
New Richmond, WI 54017
715-246-4991
After traveling all over the country with the Fire, it's off to Shattuck (Sid the Kid was there). Then, play one year of college and off to the NHL.
If you have been attacking your association and you are discovered it may make the possibility of being waived back into the association more difficult for you. For instance, those in Chan Man's association have probably figured out who he is.
Chan Man and friends seem to have various levels of knowledge with hockey development and the hockey landscape in general. Therefore, being a kind hearted person I am going to provide you with another alternative to association hockey so your future NHL kids can thrive and get to know more kids from Wisconsin.
Wisconsin AAA Fire Hockey (AAA)
1980 104th Street
New Richmond, WI 54017
715-246-4991
After traveling all over the country with the Fire, it's off to Shattuck (Sid the Kid was there). Then, play one year of college and off to the NHL.
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Breakout-
Please don't make something out of nothing. What did I say that was so bad about my association?
Here is my last comment about our association. Please let me know how anyone can get mad? Please let me know how this is offensive?
"As for the associations. I'll say it for the third time. I respect anyone that volunteer's their time to help the kids. I hold them in high regard. I don't expect my association to change over night. It will take time.
You have to admit some associations are stronger than others. There's a reason for this.
My son has skated in both our association and MM. He prefers MM. Even though he knows a lot more kids in our association. He wanted to skate with MM. Since there are 10 other kids from our assocication skating in MM. I'm fine with him playing there.
I had option "A" or option "B". I chose Option "B" because I know my son will get better instruction. I'm not out to make my son the best skater in Minnesota. I want my dollar to be well spent.
I don't understand why some people have a hard time accepting that there are better choices for skating".
Please don't make something out of nothing. What did I say that was so bad about my association?
Here is my last comment about our association. Please let me know how anyone can get mad? Please let me know how this is offensive?
"As for the associations. I'll say it for the third time. I respect anyone that volunteer's their time to help the kids. I hold them in high regard. I don't expect my association to change over night. It will take time.
You have to admit some associations are stronger than others. There's a reason for this.
My son has skated in both our association and MM. He prefers MM. Even though he knows a lot more kids in our association. He wanted to skate with MM. Since there are 10 other kids from our assocication skating in MM. I'm fine with him playing there.
I had option "A" or option "B". I chose Option "B" because I know my son will get better instruction. I'm not out to make my son the best skater in Minnesota. I want my dollar to be well spent.
I don't understand why some people have a hard time accepting that there are better choices for skating".
You are correct as usualNeutron 14 wrote:Good points breakout. But after playing elite mites, the rest is a given.breakout wrote:After traveling all over the country with the Fire, it's off to Shattuck (Sid the Kid was there). Then, play one year of college and off to the NHL.
I am wondering why we don't hear something about these 2017 kids committing to colleges. Maybe Chan Man can start that thread.
I was not making something out of nothing. You are entitled to make your own decisions. That is part of what makes this country great.Boogeyman24 wrote:Breakout-
Please don't make something out of nothing. What did I say that was so bad about my association?
Here is my last comment about our association. Please let me know how anyone can get mad? Please let me know how this is offensive?
"As for the associations. I'll say it for the third time. I respect anyone that volunteer's their time to help the kids. I hold them in high regard. I don't expect my association to change over night. It will take time.
You have to admit some associations are stronger than others. There's a reason for this.
My son has skated in both our association and MM. He prefers MM. Even though he knows a lot more kids in our association. He wanted to skate with MM. Since there are 10 other kids from our assocication skating in MM. I'm fine with him playing there.
I had option "A" or option "B". I chose Option "B" because I know my son will get better instruction. I'm not out to make my son the best skater in Minnesota. I want my dollar to be well spent.
I don't understand why some people have a hard time accepting that there are better choices for skating".
I don't care for association bashing. I have not seen that in your two posts. I have seen it in others.
FYI, associations are made up of dedicated people who selflessly give up their time to help young players enjoy a great game. Associations follow practice and training guidelines set up by USA Hockey.
The fact is: The vast majority of the greatest hockey players that came out of MN have come up the association ranks. The vast majority of those players were not moved up. They played with their friends and peers..........imagine that.
Hard work does pay off.
Something to keep in mind, genetics matter
For those of you that think your associations wronged you by not moving "Sid" up, consider this.
* Hockey is a marathon, not a sprint
* At the end of the day, Genetics and hard work will get you to the higher levels. Being a highly skilled short, slow kid with a big shot won't get you far
* Movng up doesn't matter in the long run. Today it may look like it would be best. Maybe your kid can compete at an older level. At Bantams it is a different deal. Typically, if an association allows move ups your kid will stay as a move up. Being behind in puberty when you are in Bantams can lead you to the hospital with concussions and broken bones. You also need to understand what kind of ramifications moving up will have on your kid when they reach high school. If he is done with Bantams in 8th grade, will he be ready physically for high School? Being under developed in high school can lead to more trips to the hospital. Because in high school the Standards of Play are different.
* Hockey is a marathon, not a sprint
* At the end of the day, Genetics and hard work will get you to the higher levels. Being a highly skilled short, slow kid with a big shot won't get you far
* Movng up doesn't matter in the long run. Today it may look like it would be best. Maybe your kid can compete at an older level. At Bantams it is a different deal. Typically, if an association allows move ups your kid will stay as a move up. Being behind in puberty when you are in Bantams can lead you to the hospital with concussions and broken bones. You also need to understand what kind of ramifications moving up will have on your kid when they reach high school. If he is done with Bantams in 8th grade, will he be ready physically for high School? Being under developed in high school can lead to more trips to the hospital. Because in high school the Standards of Play are different.
As for going back to association hockey after MM Mite Hockey???
I was serious about waiving back in. There has been discussion about that with different associations.
If you played in your association last year and go to MM Mite Hockey this season, you may need to get waived back into your association. If you have gone down that path or thinking about it, I would suggest you get in touch with your local hockey board and ask questions.
For the bashers and trashers, be careful of who and what you dis. The board can decide who will be waived back in and who won't. USA Hockey allows that latitude.
Go "Sid"
I was serious about waiving back in. There has been discussion about that with different associations.
If you played in your association last year and go to MM Mite Hockey this season, you may need to get waived back into your association. If you have gone down that path or thinking about it, I would suggest you get in touch with your local hockey board and ask questions.
For the bashers and trashers, be careful of who and what you dis. The board can decide who will be waived back in and who won't. USA Hockey allows that latitude.
Go "Sid"
Are you nuts?
What about the kid that takes a year off and plays basketball. Does he need a waiver to sign up for hockey the following year??? No!
Minnesota Made's program is completly independant of Minnesota or USA Hockey. They have no ablity to regulate what families do outside of their organization, only within their own organization.
They can not discriminate and say who can and who can not play in the assocation. That's like saying that they could tell a kid who was a figure skater the year before that he can't sign up to play hockey in our assocation because you did not play here last year.
Now, that's not to say that some board member who does not like the idea of people having another option, might not bring it up at a board meeting and suggest that they "make a rule to keep them out", but Talking about it and open discrimination are two different things.
Let freedom ring! People should do what they think is best. As someone said in a earlier post "this is a wake up call to the assocations". Why? Because of competition. Competition make companys better, it makes athletes better and now it will make the local hockey assocation better too.
Here is an idea, what if these little skaters really do make some big improvments? Is there somthing wrong with that? Personaly I don't see how they can't. If you have 100 hours of ice and and some good coaches with a little passion, they are bound to get better than the kid that gets only a third of the ice time and poor to average coaching. What then? Do we make another "rule"
If we talk about making rules and waviers thats just another nich for Minnesota Made and before you know it you will have an independant Squirt, Peewee and Bantam league and the guy will build more rinks to meet the demand. The word is that they are all ready considering a second Minnesota Made rink in Maple Grove.
In the end I am for what ever make hockey better. I wish my kid was a couple of years younger, I would put him in the league. My son has played his 96 Machine team play and they are absolutley incredible! Kids just don't play like that by accident. It's hard to argue with the results. Like it or not here comes change.
my 2 cents.
What about the kid that takes a year off and plays basketball. Does he need a waiver to sign up for hockey the following year??? No!
Minnesota Made's program is completly independant of Minnesota or USA Hockey. They have no ablity to regulate what families do outside of their organization, only within their own organization.
They can not discriminate and say who can and who can not play in the assocation. That's like saying that they could tell a kid who was a figure skater the year before that he can't sign up to play hockey in our assocation because you did not play here last year.
Now, that's not to say that some board member who does not like the idea of people having another option, might not bring it up at a board meeting and suggest that they "make a rule to keep them out", but Talking about it and open discrimination are two different things.
Let freedom ring! People should do what they think is best. As someone said in a earlier post "this is a wake up call to the assocations". Why? Because of competition. Competition make companys better, it makes athletes better and now it will make the local hockey assocation better too.
Here is an idea, what if these little skaters really do make some big improvments? Is there somthing wrong with that? Personaly I don't see how they can't. If you have 100 hours of ice and and some good coaches with a little passion, they are bound to get better than the kid that gets only a third of the ice time and poor to average coaching. What then? Do we make another "rule"
If we talk about making rules and waviers thats just another nich for Minnesota Made and before you know it you will have an independant Squirt, Peewee and Bantam league and the guy will build more rinks to meet the demand. The word is that they are all ready considering a second Minnesota Made rink in Maple Grove.
In the end I am for what ever make hockey better. I wish my kid was a couple of years younger, I would put him in the league. My son has played his 96 Machine team play and they are absolutley incredible! Kids just don't play like that by accident. It's hard to argue with the results. Like it or not here comes change.
my 2 cents.
Chan Man is back with 0904?0904 wrote:Are you nuts?
What about the kid that takes a year off and plays basketball. Does he need a waiver to sign up for hockey the following year??? No!
Minnesota Made's program is completly independant of Minnesota or USA Hockey. They have no ablity to regulate what families do outside of their organization, only within their own organization.
They can not discriminate and say who can and who can not play in the assocation. That's like saying that they could tell a kid who was a figure skater the year before that he can't sign up to play hockey in our assocation because you did not play here last year.
Now, that's not to say that some board member who does not like the idea of people having another option, might not bring it up at a board meeting and suggest that they "make a rule to keep them out", but Talking about it and open discrimination are two different things.
Let freedom ring! People should do what they think is best. As someone said in a earlier post "this is a wake up call to the assocations". Why? Because of competition. Competition make companys better, it makes athletes better and now it will make the local hockey assocation better too.
Here is an idea, what if these little skaters really do make some big improvments? Is there somthing wrong with that? Personaly I don't see how they can't. If you have 100 hours of ice and and some good coaches with a little passion, they are bound to get better than the kid that gets only a third of the ice time and poor to average coaching. What then? Do we make another "rule"
If we talk about making rules and waviers thats just another nich for Minnesota Made and before you know it you will have an independant Squirt, Peewee and Bantam league and the guy will build more rinks to meet the demand. The word is that they are all ready considering a second Minnesota Made rink in Maple Grove.
In the end I am for what ever make hockey better. I wish my kid was a couple of years younger, I would put him in the league. My son has played his 96 Machine team play and they are absolutley incredible! Kids just don't play like that by accident. It's hard to argue with the results. Like it or not here comes change.
my 2 cents.
If you don't think there has been discussion about that..........you need to think again.
Breakout-
I'm using boogeyman as my user name. Seriously, let me ask you a question.
Are you nuts?
Why would associations not welcome back kids to their program? Who cares if certain kids take a year or two off? If my son goes to public school for one year, and then back to private school. Who cares?
Minnesota Made is completely different than USA hockey. I doubt there would be such a rule. You know how that would make USA hockey and the associations look?
Not to mention that our association is non-profit. It shouldn't matter how many kids skate from one year to the next. If there's a better option. Why not?
Facts are facts! I know it's hard for some to accept. But there are better options than your local association.
Once again. Just for you Breakout. I want it to be clear. I respect the people who volunteer their time and efforts. I think it's safe to admit that all associations are different. Some are better than others. I can promise you that my son will learn more at MM this winter than our local association. If I'm going to spend my money. I want it to be well spent. I don't know how else to put it. Why is it so concerning?
Like someone posted earlier. All kids learn at a different pace. One thing you wrote. This is a marathon, not sprint. I agree with that statement. I also agree that age 7-8 is not too young for kids to learn the proper techniques for skating. Repetition, repetition and repetition. Right now there's no better place at developing kids than MM.
If your son wants to skate in his association. Good for him. I wish him luck. If he wants to skate outside in the winter to develop his skills. I'm happy for him. You have to do what you think it best for your kids. I personally don't want to spend a lot of money if he's not getting the proper guidence.
PEACE!
I'm using boogeyman as my user name. Seriously, let me ask you a question.
Are you nuts?
Why would associations not welcome back kids to their program? Who cares if certain kids take a year or two off? If my son goes to public school for one year, and then back to private school. Who cares?
Minnesota Made is completely different than USA hockey. I doubt there would be such a rule. You know how that would make USA hockey and the associations look?
Not to mention that our association is non-profit. It shouldn't matter how many kids skate from one year to the next. If there's a better option. Why not?
Facts are facts! I know it's hard for some to accept. But there are better options than your local association.
Once again. Just for you Breakout. I want it to be clear. I respect the people who volunteer their time and efforts. I think it's safe to admit that all associations are different. Some are better than others. I can promise you that my son will learn more at MM this winter than our local association. If I'm going to spend my money. I want it to be well spent. I don't know how else to put it. Why is it so concerning?
Like someone posted earlier. All kids learn at a different pace. One thing you wrote. This is a marathon, not sprint. I agree with that statement. I also agree that age 7-8 is not too young for kids to learn the proper techniques for skating. Repetition, repetition and repetition. Right now there's no better place at developing kids than MM.
If your son wants to skate in his association. Good for him. I wish him luck. If he wants to skate outside in the winter to develop his skills. I'm happy for him. You have to do what you think it best for your kids. I personally don't want to spend a lot of money if he's not getting the proper guidence.
PEACE!
Breakout
Breakout,
There you go again talking out of school,I believe you should start doing more reading and less typing.These boy's no what there talking about,I know one more thats waiting to lay into you,He's gonna peel you like an onion.What ever is best for Mn hockey,MM has raised the bar,like it or not.
Get on board or you will be run over by the Big Orange Machine
There you go again talking out of school,I believe you should start doing more reading and less typing.These boy's no what there talking about,I know one more thats waiting to lay into you,He's gonna peel you like an onion.What ever is best for Mn hockey,MM has raised the bar,like it or not.
Get on board or you will be run over by the Big Orange Machine
Re: Breakout
waylon wrote:Breakout,
There you go again talking out of school,I believe you should start doing more reading and less typing.These boy's no what there talking about,I know one more thats waiting to lay into you,He's gonna peel you like an onion.What ever is best for Mn hockey,MM has raised the bar,like it or not.
Get on board or you will be run over by the Big Orange Machine
"peel you like an onion"
Are you threatening me for expressing opinions on an opinion forum?
Wow
Breakout- Where did you get all your hockey knowledge? I think I'm speaking for eveyone, in saying thanks for the insight. You have saved many young kids from heartbreak.
I might take my son out of all leagues, clinics and spend time at the outdoor rinks this winter.
Old time hockey! Breakouts way.................
I might take my son out of all leagues, clinics and spend time at the outdoor rinks this winter.
Old time hockey! Breakouts way.................
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Boogey man, now you are getting the point! just strap on your double blades and go out on the outdoor rinks and work on your skills with your kids. old time hockey you betcha!! you want to talk about old time hockey, that is where the Great Gretzky got his skills, out on the pond. Are you going to tell any of us differently???? So please tell me what is the difference from old time hockey compared to now days? you have all the answers, please tell me now????BoogeyMan wrote:Breakout- Where did you get all your hockey knowledge? I think I'm speaking for eveyone, in saying thanks for the insight. You have saved many young kids from heartbreak.
I might take my son out of all leagues, clinics and spend time at the outdoor rinks this winter.
Old time hockey! Breakouts way.................
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One more here to agree with Breakout, Indians, and oldtimer... after 20+ years coaching many levels, and extensive involvment in associations, and off season clinics..... Boogey you got some loose screws on your dangler mask...100 hrs of ice for mites get real..... figure out how many times a week for a hypothetical 5 month season this is.....this is not about a 6 or 7 year olds dream it's yours...so face it, and quit trashing people who know more about this game then you ever gonna keep quiet enough to listen to!
Time to step out of the kiddie pool huh boys?
get real..... figure out how many times a week for a hypothetical 5 month season this is.....this is not about a 6 or 7 year olds dream it's yours...so face it, and quit trashing people who know more about this game then you ever gonna keep quiet enough to listen to!Time to step out of the kiddie pool huh boys?