2006-7 MGHCA All-State

[ghshockeyfan]

Someone who knows it please post it here. Many believe that this is the REAL All-State team as it is picked by a panel of G HS Hockey COACHES.

Historical:
http://www.mghca.com/general/pdf/All-St ... istory.pdf

[Sioux Rule]

Someone who knows it please post it here. Many believe that this is the REAL All-State team as it is picked by a panel of G HS Hockey COACHES.

Historical:
http://www.mghca.com/general/pdf/All-St ... istory.pdf

HELLO........
Nobody out there has the list or knows where it's posted on the website? It can't be that secretive can it?

[pondhockey]

Class A All-State

Defense:
AS Ashley Holmes Alexandria (11)
AS Breanna Hrabe New Prague (11)
AS Allie Pullar Hibbing (12)
AS Rita Simones South Saint Paul (12)
AS Lexy Wangen Crookston (9)
AS Ericka Wheelhouse Crookston (10)
HM Breanna Bisek New Prague (11)
HM Katie Fredrickson Fergus Falls (12)
HM Shelby Savage Richfield (12)
HM Cassie Seifert New Ulm (11)

Goalies:
AS Morgan Pieper Warroad (11)
AS Claire Richards Richfield (11)
HM Daedra Culshaw New Prague (11)
HM Danielle Justice Alexandria (11)

Forwards:
AS Kacy Ambroz New Prague (11)
AS Annie Bauerfeld South St Paul (12)
AS Jamie Briski Hibbing (12)
AS Katharine Chute Blake (12)
AS Erin Johnson Farmington (12)
AS Jenna Kilpatrick New Prague (12)
AS Laura May Mahtomedi (12)
AS Marlee Wheelhouse Crookston (11)
AS Abby Williams Alexandria (11)
HM Margaret Chute Blake (10)
HM Kathryn DelZoppo Alexandria (11)
HM Jamie Fensterrmacher Hibbing (11)
HM Sally Komarek Blake (10)
HM Brook Story Warroad (9)
HM Ellen Swiontkowski Breck (11)

Class AA All-State

Defense:
AS Katie Horner North Metro Stars (12)
AS Ashlan Lambert Eden Prairie (12)
AS Anne Schleper St Cloud Icebreakers (11)
AS Kelly Seeler Eden Prairie (11)
AS Amalee Windmeier Coon Rapids (12)
AS Sara Yungner Wayzata (12)
HM Kristi Ellis Elk River (12)
HM Jessica Laurinaitis Wayzata (11)
HM Kelsey Romatoski Holy Angels (10)
HM Tai Stephan Edina (12)
HM Amy Udvig Irondale (12)
HM Montana Vichorek Cloquet (11)

Goalies:
AS Kristin Elliott Eden Prairie (12)
AS Ashley Nixon Blaine
AS Paige Thunder Cloquet (12)
HM Alyssa Grogan (11)

Forwards:
AS Erin Cody Roseville (12)
AS Callie Dahl Stillwater (10)
AS Sarah Erickson Bemidji (11)
AS Emily Erickson Grand Rapids (11)
AS Melissa Feste Eden Prairie (11)
AS Bacon Kate Benilde St Margarets (11)
AS Lauren Smith Holy Angels (11)
AS Maria Stoa Eden Prairie (12)
AS Amanda Trunzo Benidle St Margarets (12)
HM Jessica Christofferson Bemidji (10)
HM Andrea Green Eden Prairie (11)
HM Allie Harwood Rochester Mayo (12)
HM Courtney Josefson Bemidji (12)
HM Sadie Lundquist Cloquet (10)
HM Alex Nelson Andover (10)
HM Gracie Olson Holy Angels (11)
HM Danielle Welch Hastings (11)

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL!

[SEMetro]

Wow - nearly impossible to get all-state recognition if you play for a .500 program or lower.

[Sioux Rule]

Class A All-State

Defense:
AS Ashley Holmes Alexandria (11)
AS Breanna Hrabe New Prague (11)
AS Allie Pullar Hibbing (12)
AS Rita Simones South Saint Paul (12)
AS Lexy Wangen Crookston (9)
AS Ericka Wheelhouse Crookston (10)
HM Breanna Bisek New Prague (11)
HM Katie Fredrickson Fergus Falls (12)
HM Shelby Savage Richfield (12)
HM Cassie Seifert New Ulm (11)

Goalies:
AS Morgan Pieper Warroad (11)
AS Claire Richards Richfield (11)
HM Daedra Culshaw New Prague (11)
HM Danielle Justice Alexandria (11)

Forwards:
AS Kacy Ambroz New Prague (11)
AS Annie Bauerfeld South St Paul (12)
AS Jamie Briski Hibbing (12)
AS Katharine Chute Blake (12)
AS Erin Johnson Farmington (12)
AS Jenna Kilpatrick New Prague (12)
AS Laura May Mahtomedi (12)
AS Marlee Wheelhouse Crookston (11)
AS Abby Williams Alexandria (11)
HM Margaret Chute Blake (10)
HM Kathryn DelZoppo Alexandria (11)
HM Jamie Fensterrmacher Hibbing (11)
HM Sally Komarek Blake (10)
HM Brook Story Warroad (9)
HM Ellen Swiontkowski Breck (11)

Class AA All-State

Defense:
AS Katie Horner North Metro Stars (12)
AS Ashlan Lambert Eden Prairie (12)
AS Anne Schleper St Cloud Icebreakers (11)
AS Kelly Seeler Eden Prairie (11)
AS Amalee Windmeier Coon Rapids (12)
AS Sara Yungner Wayzata (12)
HM Kristi Ellis Elk River (12)
HM Jessica Laurinaitis Wayzata (11)
HM Kelsey Romatoski Holy Angels (10)
HM Tai Stephan Edina (12)
HM Amy Udvig Irondale (12)
HM Montana Vichorek Cloquet (11)

Goalies:
AS Kristin Elliott Eden Prairie (12)
AS Ashley Nixon Blaine
AS Paige Thunder Cloquet (12)
HM Alyssa Grogan (11)

Forwards:
AS Erin Cody Roseville (12)
AS Callie Dahl Stillwater (10)
AS Sarah Erickson Bemidji (11)
AS Emily Erickson Grand Rapids (11)
AS Melissa Feste Eden Prairie (11)
AS Bacon Kate Benilde St Margarets (11)
AS Lauren Smith Holy Angels (11)
AS Maria Stoa Eden Prairie (12)
AS Amanda Trunzo Benidle St Margarets (12)
HM Jessica Christofferson Bemidji (10)
HM Andrea Green Eden Prairie (11)
HM Allie Harwood Rochester Mayo (12)
HM Courtney Josefson Bemidji (12)
HM Sadie Lundquist Cloquet (10)
HM Alex Nelson Andover (10)
HM Gracie Olson Holy Angels (11)
HM Danielle Welch Hastings (11)

CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL!

Per the players above, if A vs AA in a game, who wins?

[ghshockeyfan]

Wow - nearly impossible to get all-state recognition if you play for a .500 program or lower.

It does appear that way, and it also appears that SOS considerations were used when evaluating statistical achievements too - to some degree - which is good.

While there may be some that we feel are left off, etc., this is probably the best list in that the process is most solid - but some will always argue that there is a bias.

[falcons89]

I agree, this is better than AP. However I will bite.

Player A has better stats than Player B.
Player A has a stronger SOS than Player B (SOS according to KRACH).
Player A is not on the list, Player B is.
Bias? or am I too logical.

Be careful, trap is set.

[ghshockeyfan]

I agree, this is better than AP. However I will bite.

Player A has better stats than Player B.
Player A has a stronger SOS than Player B (SOS according to KRACH).
Player A is not on the list, Player B is.
Bias? or am I too logical.

Be careful, trap is set.

Two immediate thoughts...
Quality points comparison (beyond SOS alone)?
Career (meaning down year due to missed games/inj, etc.)?

[ice29]

How many players listed in All-State didn't make past sectional finals or even to the State Tourney?

[MNHockeyFan]

How many players listed in All-State didn't make past sectional finals or even to the State Tourney?

It would be pretty easy to count them....not making it past sectional finals or to the State Tourney are the same thing, right? So just count the players from the schools that didn't make the tourney.

[falcons89]

Interesting thought.

5 players from New Prague, no state appearance. 1 player from Farmington and they went to the final and beat NP. Must of been superior coaching.

4 players from Alexandria. 2 and out at the State tourney. I actually saw them play against Breck. Goalie was good but the rest were average. Saw the Breck/Austin game also, the Austin skaters were better than Alex, Austin just didn't have a goalie, Breck was shooting from anywhere on the ice and scoring. But I guess the gaolie is part of your team.

Stillwater, the all around champion, with only 1 allstate player. Once again must be superior coaching. I believe that coach is from Austin.

I guess it all goes to the old Herbie Theory, I want the RIGHT players not the BEST players.
1 best player + 1 best player = 2 (Sometimes 1 if they run & gun)
1 right player + 1 right player = 3

I guess this theory is what separates good coaches from average, or
below average coaches.

This was a coaches poll right?

[shootthepucknow]

Falcons89,
Glad to see a fellow coach in the MGHCA association is bashing his All-State team- nice job Coach Steve.
I keep telling myself that I hope I am incorrect. If not let this be a recommendation to stop posting on this website.

[falcons89]

Fellow MGHCA coach? I have been insulted before but that hits an all-time low.
Relax I am having fun.

Do your homework and look at my previous posts. I am not a highschool coach.
You are obviously another coach not doing their homework. Oh better yet, A New Prague parent who didn't like the analogy. (Hint, I looked at your previous posts)

[RSI]

Falcons89,
nice job Coach Steve.

With the Middle School teachers spending so much of their time on minnhock, no wonder the Faribo school system suffers or was it Austin schools, I forget? Say Hi to Mrs. Louters for me

[ghshockeyfan]

1) IMHO free speech is a great thing. Unfortunate that our roles often preclude many of us from truly speaking what we feel out of fear.

2) Any organization needs some constructive criticism IMHO. If it just floats along and never has anyone questioning any entity is bound for trouble I believe.

3) I don't agree with everything the MSHSL, MGHCA, etc., etc. does, but, for the most part these entities are outstanding.

I've heard first hand why one of my kids didn't get consideration for this list, and I understand the rationale and agree to disagree. What's great to see is that people care enough to debate something. That's great for the sport.

[hockeyrube7]

Would be interesting to take this list to start with and see a Public pole, and add a rule that no one could vote for any player they have not seen, and cannot vote for any player with in 20 mi. of their home town.

[jetjock]

Falcons89 a highschool coach, a school teacher, and an NHL scout. Where do you find the time?

I will put it into perspective. It is a great individual honor to be on any of these lists. It means other people think you are talented.

But realisitically, what does it mean. How many Stillwater girls would trade their State Championship to be placed on this allstate list? Let me offer a guess.......zero.

I listened to a young girl the other day being interviewed. She has accomplished alot individually and set many records. Many of you know her as well as I do. She was asked which record or achievement she would trade for a state championship. Without hesitation, she replied "ALL OF THEM." I looked to my wife and said, she could play with me anyday.

[ghshockeyfan]

Would be interesting to take this list to start with and see a Public pole, and add a rule that no one could vote for any player they have not seen, and cannot vote for any player with in 20 mi. of their home town.

Part of the problem with this is the issue of bias towards your own region, as well as lack of comparison of at least a cross-section of the entire state.

This same consideration though is why I like the MGHCA list as I was on that committee a LONG time ago and it is actually what forced me to go see games that I never would have watched otherwise. I thought it was my duty to make certain that ALL the nominated players were seen. That year I think I almost saw every team in the state play once. May not sound like that much but it was harder than you may think...

My point is that many of the MGHCA committee members see probably 100's of games each season where most of us may see 20-30-40 if we're lucky...

[ghshockeyfan]

Falcons89 a highschool coach, a school teacher, and an NHL scout. Where do you find the time?

I will put it into perspective. It is a great individual honor to be on any of these lists. It means other people think you are talented.

But realisitically, what does it mean. How many Stillwater girls would trade their State Championship to be placed on this allstate list? Let me offer a guess.......zero.

I listened to a young girl the other day being interviewed. She has accomplished alot individually and set many records. Many of you know her as well as I do. She was asked which record or achievement she would trade for a state championship. Without hesitation, she replied "ALL OF THEM." I looked to my wife and said, she could play with me anyday.

IMHO the really sad thing isn't the state tourney participants who get left off, but instead the top kids that stay and play on poor teams that get beat in the sections. Sure, the state tourney kids will always have their state experience and trade it for nothing, but, what about those that did well on weak(er) teams?

[hockeyrube7]

Would be interesting to take this list to start with and see a Public pole, and add a rule that no one could vote for any player they have not seen, and cannot vote for any player with in 20 mi. of their home town.

Part of the problem with this is the issue of bias towards your own region, as well as lack of comparison of at least a cross-section of the entire state.

This same consideration though is why I like the MGHCA list as I was on that committee a LONG time ago and it is actually what forced me to go see games that I never would have watched otherwise. I thought it was my duty to make certain that ALL the nominated players were seen. That year I think I almost saw every team in the state play once. May not sound like that much but it was harder than you may think...

My point is that many of the MGHCA committee members see probably 100's of games each season where most of us may see 20-30-40 if we're lucky...

Couldn't agree more, but anyone on this forum would agree, you are a unique individual in this asspect, and not all of them on the committee will have seen everyone they vote for. IMHO.

[falcons89]

Sure, the state tourney kids will always have their state experience and trade it for nothing, but, what about those that did well on weak(er) teams?

That is why we have the MGHCA All state team. To make those kids feel good. I still can't belive what happened to New Prague. All that talent.

[ghshockeyfan]

Would be interesting to take this list to start with and see a Public pole, and add a rule that no one could vote for any player they have not seen, and cannot vote for any player with in 20 mi. of their home town.

Part of the problem with this is the issue of bias towards your own region, as well as lack of comparison of at least a cross-section of the entire state.

This same consideration though is why I like the MGHCA list as I was on that committee a LONG time ago and it is actually what forced me to go see games that I never would have watched otherwise. I thought it was my duty to make certain that ALL the nominated players were seen. That year I think I almost saw every team in the state play once. May not sound like that much but it was harder than you may think...

My point is that many of the MGHCA committee members see probably 100's of games each season where most of us may see 20-30-40 if we're lucky...

Couldn't agree more, but anyone on this forum would agree, you are a unique individual in this asspect, and not all of them on the committee will have seen everyone they vote for. IMHO.

Where I really struggle with things is when I'm biased however, and then I usually defer to others or agree to disagree. At times though too, like a parent coaching their own child, I'm probablly too hard on my kids that I'm biased about.

5 years ago I nominated 3 7th/8th graders for All-State and took a lot of heck for this. Of course, the nomination may have been a little premature, but by the time those 3 hit NDP eligibility they found themselves in NY, and, one has since been a Ms. Hockey top 5 finalist, the other two may be next year, and they've had pretty good careers, etc.

I woudl like to think that I've been around/seen enough to have some informed opinion formed about the best players in the state, etc. I think I can factor out things like team played for, SOS, coaching/systematic styles, etc. in evaluating players. Where I really have trouble though is addressing when I have a player on my squad that I think was overlooked - and I know others have trouble with this as well.. But, I realize, that not everyone sees things the way I do!

[tigerpower]

5 years ago I nominated 3 7th/8th graders for All-State and took a lot of heck for this. Of course, the nomination may have been a little premature, but by the time those 3 hit NDP eligibility they found themselves in NY, and, one has since been a Ms. Hockey top 5 finalist, the other two may be next year, and they've had pretty good careers, etc.

I believe I know which of your pets you're talking about...

IMH this list is probably one of the most accurate but some of the names on this list really surprise me... there are girls here I've seen play many times and considered them an "ok" player on an "ok" team... some of them, against "good" teams get blown away.. but yet are still here... I think, in some cases anyways the coaches vote for girls they've heard of instead of watching them play and deciding beating a team 16-0 doesn't make the girl with a hatrick a star

[GOCARDS1]

"Interesting thought.

5 players from New Prague, no state appearance. 1 player from Farmington and they went to the final and beat NP. Must of been superior coaching.

4 players from Alexandria. 2 and out at the State tourney. I actually saw them play against Breck. Goalie was good but the rest were average. Saw the Breck/Austin game also, the Austin skaters were better than Alex, Austin just didn't have a goalie, Breck was shooting from anywhere on the ice and scoring. But I guess the gaolie is part of your team."
-Falcons89

Are you a Austin fan or a southern MN girls hockey fan? that seemed very bias, but oh well. Think what you want. The only one that stuck out somewhat from Austin was kristin Faber. When watching the Austin/Farmington game, I often saw an austin girl floating out in the neutral zone cherry picking... "must have been superior coaching" .. haha NOT! and if everyone from Alexandria is "average", id have to say, what is everyone from Austin, honestly.
New Prague barely lost to Farmington and would have been a strong contender at state had they made. Lets just say they (new prague) probably would have beat Austin by the same score as Farmington .

[falcons89]

First of all you are off topic.

The topic was: why so few state champion or successful state team's players are left off the all state list. You argue my point excactly that there is very little difference between Austin and Alex. Look at the box scores of the two games between the two teams against Breck. I saw both games. Alex had the better goalie. Austin's goalie let in 3 soft goals. It would of been a good game between the Austin and Alex. Alex strength is goaltending. Austin's is their forward line. Why so many Alex All state players?
By the way, I am not from Austin and Farmington and New Prague would have beat you by 3-4 goals.