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[boblee]

Too bad #16 didn't score short handed to win it. And then Farmington caught it. That coulda been a real interesting mess.

[MNHockeyFan]

...and I am confident that the Mr. Hockey candidates and finalists have been in front of the net tussles more often than the girls

I like the word "tussles" which more accurately describes girl hockey players wearing their gloves with facemasks on trying to punch one another.

All joking aside, I hope we don't start to see more of this in the girls game. You can stand up for your goalie without having to throw punches. The one game suspension for fighting (tussles?) is there for a reason, and it applies equally to the boys and girls.

[hockeydad]

My take on the matter

What Farmington showed was some questionable sportsmanship. Yes, a win over Holy Angels is rare, and therefore sweet. Yes, they do have the reputation, deserved or not, as a "recruiting" school. The coach should have chosen his words more carefully.

Whatever confusion there might have been, it seems like what Holy Angels tried to pull was flat out cheating. The comment was made about it being something an old-time hockey coach like Sonmor would pull. I would like to think that a coach at a high school hockey program - and at a religious school on top of it - would teach better values than that.

[GRhawky]

My take on the matter

What Farmington showed was some questionable sportsmanship. Yes, a win over Holy Angels is rare, and therefore sweet. Yes, they do have the reputation, deserved or not, as a "recruiting" school. The coach should have chosen his words more carefully.

Whatever confusion there might have been, it seems like what Holy Angels tried to pull was flat out cheating. The comment was made about it being something an old-time hockey coach like Sonmor would pull. I would like to think that a coach at a high school hockey program - and at a religious school on top of it - would teach better values than that.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

The fact is that what Holy Angles did was wrong (whoever is to blame for it) and you can't argue that. And actions should be taken to justify that. What the coach said was true...but a little unnesessary.

[Bensonmum]

so are you saying coty was part of this "maylay". and if she was, isnt she a Ms. hockey canidate...

Yes and yes. And I don't think last night changes a thing.
It was 5-1 at the time, CDH was frustrated and got a little over-aggressive during a scrum in the crease, a 'tussle' ensued, and Roseville's star offensive player and Ms Hockey candidate ended up in the middle of it.

[keepitreal]

[AAFC]

My take on the matter

...Yes, they do have the reputation, deserved or not, as a "recruiting" school...

When will people "get it" that the private schools RECRUIT EVERY SINGLE STUDENT, athlete or not? The privates have to do "something" to get every single student in the door, and that something is "recruiting." Whether it's for sports or religion, the schools have to recruit and the kids have to choose.

[gopher16]

There is not a Match Penalty in MN High School Hockey. Match penalties are an attempt to injure penalty. In MN HS Hockey, the most severe penalty is a Game DQ, which covers fighting, spearing, kicking, major infractions, etc... Any major penalty must be accompanied by a Game DQ. The penalty is ejection from the current game plus the next.

[Zamman]

Regarding this event, a full report has been filed with the MSHSL, and there are some key details that were left out by the farmingon paper/person who started this thread. I'm guessing that once the MSHSL reviews all the info they have been given no penalties will be handed down.

Now here is the truth of the matter......

I did my own investigation and whoever this person is knows what they are saying. This is also what I heard....

I got four emails regarding this matter from various people today about this. Again without all the facts, and we will never know them, we on this board as regular people cannot come up with our own conclusions. What we can do is discuss the comments made by the Farmington coach, because they are quoted in the paper...

[hockeya1a]

Now here is the truth of the matter......

I did my own investigation and whoever this person is knows what they are saying. This is also what I heard....

I got four emails regarding this matter from various people today about this. Again without all the facts, and we will never know them, we on this board as regular people cannot come up with our own conclusions. What we can do is discuss the comments made by the Farmington coach, because they are quoted in the paper...[/quote]

I would also have to believe that the officials in the penalty boxes and timekeeper and the refs would also have knowledge of this not to mention a couple of teams whose integrity would be on the line if they were asked to tell the truth.

[ghshockeyfan]

I just want to say that I know both AHA and Farmington coaches pretty well, and my guess is that some of this is just a misunderstanding. I've been misquoted too and situations have been perceived at times to be that other than that which they really are.

Let's be realistic here, what good would it have done for AHA to hide a top player that has a penalty on the books in the players' box? They can't play her anyway as it'd be figured out had she been on the ice or involved in scoring, etc. And rest assured that any opposing coach would know if she was on the ice - so it's not like this was likely some big attempt to cheat, etc.

And, let's give Farmington some credit for a HUGE upset!!! That's a BIG W for their program and I congratulate them. The comment about the recruitment may have been taken out of context or something. The truth does remain however that every private school does recruit as it's their business. This isn't meant to be a knock on privates, but it's the truth (like said above for whatever purpose - religion, academics, and/or athletics - or all the above).

All the rest of this is getting blown WAY out of proportion in my mind. These two teams are both playing some excellent hockey right now and I look forward to seeing them continue this into sections.

I would suggest we let this one go and let those in charge deal with all of this.

[Zamman]

I second this motion.

[Jethrotull]

Took out the rule book and found a few things to mention.

Penalty box:

Nonpenalized players are not permitted to ocupy the penatly bench. For a violation of this rule, play will not continue until removal of the offending person(s).

Playing rules state:

A minor/major penalty shall be imposed on a player who...

This means the player that committed the infraction shall serve the penalty.
Knowone else can take their place.

If a player shall illegally enter a game from their own players bench or from the penalty bench, any goal scored by his own team while he/she is on the ice will be disallowed.

[ghshockeyfan]

Took out the rule book and found a few things to mention.

Penalty box:

Nonpenalized players are not permitted to ocupy the penatly bench. For a violation of this rule, play will not continue until removal of the offending person(s).

Playing rules state:

A minor/major penalty shall be imposed on a player who...

This means the player that committed the infraction shall serve the penalty.
Knowone else can take their place.

If a player shall illegally enter a game from their own players bench or from the penalty bench, any goal scored by his own team while he/she is on the ice will be disallowed.

I had a situation where a penalty was called at the end of the 2nd period (17:00) last game but the refs got the wrong player (8 vs 18 - an easy mistake). We spoke with the refs at the start of the 3rd and sent our senior captain to the box in place of the 8th grade D that they called incorrectly. Most coaches may have just let this go and chalked-up a benifit to the incorrect player being called, but that's not the way we play it. We sent our top F to the box instead. I do have to say though that sometimes the refs won't let you change this when they make a mistake. I had one time a few years back where they swore #23 slashed someone, so after trying to get it right and send the kid who did it we sent someone that had never touched the ice in the game instead... Had we not had a #23 I'm not sure what they'd have done...

[RhinstoneDangler]

I HAVE A SOURCE TO COUNT ON:

So here is what happened; at the end of the third period two players from AHA got penalties they put #17 Colleen Krmpotich and number #16 Lauren Smith in the box. The AHA coach was upset for not seeing smith doing anything wrong and then after the buzzer asked the ref to come to the bench. The ref said he had called a penalty on #11 and the other ref had put the wrong girl in the box. He then told aha's coach to put #11 in the box which he did. I think if anyone reading this knows the AHA coach that he would NEVER just pull something like this trying to be sneaky.

Just to metion: The refs had called everything all night and had an outstanding number of penalties called agianst aha all night. That is what happens when a private school goes to the boondocks.

p.s. How immature can a grown man be to make such horrible comments. Who ever knows Colleen Krmpotich knows that she has the highest morals and values to not try and hide a player. Just think about it, nobody would do that in their right mind. NO ONE!

farmington has no class

for the record aha GIRLS hockey does not recruit. If they did, why don't they have players that E.P has?? they have three players on the team that are transfers. 2 of them are on third line and one of them transfered becuase she moved.

[ghshockeyfan]

This sounds more like what may have actually transpired (the game situation described in the prior post).

I've had a chance to get to know a good # of the AHA gals during the off-season and I'll guarantee you that they & their coach wouldn't have done this on their own. Krmp is indeed of high ethics too. I know some of the Farmington players & coach as well, and the same can be said for them. Typically these are two very classy programs with great leadership that I think are getting tarnished due to a lot of misinterpretation and bad circumstances.

As to the comments re: article - I'm guessing that some of that was not intentional.

Re: recruiting - don't misinterpret my commentary about Privates earlier. I don't believe that they're out there actively contacting all good hockey players, etc., but there is a need to attract kids to the school for athletics, academics, and the whole package.

[hockeyfinatic]

???

[Zamman]

Maybe she is not the type of player that they use for a 5 on 3 disadvantage. Anyone who has watched AHA knows that Smith is very skilled and would rush the puck when given the chance, but might not be able to get back to cover causing a 5 on 2.....

[ghshockeyfan]

If they felt that the penalty was on #11 and #16 Laren Smith. Why wouldn't the AHA coach put on their best player #16 for a 5-3 situation at the start of overtime? I am sure there might be a reason or strategy but it just all seems a little fishy to me.

Maybe she is not the type of player that they use for a 5 on 3 disadvantage. Anyone who has watched AHA knows that Smith is very skilled and would rush the puck when given the chance, but might not be able to get back to cover causing a 5 on 2.....

Good points on both, but if I have access to a player of her caliber - legally or illegally, most would play her 5v3. That aside, I don't believe it was intentional by AHA. hockeyfinatic and I both know AHA coach better than that as should many...

[GRhawky]

for the record aha GIRLS hockey does not recruit. If they did, why don't they have players that E.P has?? they have three players on the team that are transfers. 2 of them are on third line and one of them transfered becuase she moved.

All of you private school reporters need to stop getting so wound up whenever the word "recruiting" comes up. Thats what it is called. to what extent is a different question. Every private school has to recruit their students for one reason or another. Some for sports, some for religion, some for family alumni going there.

[boblee]

for the record aha GIRLS hockey does not recruit. If they did, why don't they have players that E.P has?? they have three players on the team that are transfers. 2 of them are on third line and one of them transfered becuase she moved.

All of you private school reporters need to stop getting so wound up whenever the word "recruiting" comes up. Thats what it is called. to what extent is a different question. Every private school has to recruit their students for one reason or another. Some for sports, some for religion, some for family alumni going there.

Actually, AHA girls do recruit. They have to, they don't have a feeder system.

[MNHockeyFan]

Actually, AHA girls do recruit. They have to, they don't have a feeder system.

The word "recruit" is thrown around loosely and is often misused. As has been pointed out many times, private schools do have to excel at academics to attract the best students. And in the same manner, they have to excel or at least be pretty darned good in athletics in order to attract good athletes. For example, in boys' hockey, Hill Murray has a great tradition, and more recently Holy Angels and St. Thomas have had great success, so it's not surprising that good boys hockey players want to play in these high school programs. Same thing with CDH in football and baseball, etc., and maybe in girls hockey it's Holy Angels, BSM and Blake, with CDH, Hill Murray and Breck close behind. In all of these situations, the fact that these schools are very good academically, or otherwise offer a good environment for learning, perhaps with some religious foundation, certainly helps attract talented athletes (and their parents) also. All of these schools have some pretty high standards, and most have waiting lists to get in, and there are good reasons why this is the case. I don't think any of them would have a superior program in any sport if the school was very poor academically, as the vast majority of the parents want their kids to go a good college when they graduate.

But are these schools really "recruiting"? In college this means the coaching staff actively going out and trying to convince promising athletes to come to their school, possibly with a scholarship. I don't know of any situations where this has proven to have happened - maybe it has but I don't remember reading about it.

I will say, however, there is no question that there are situations involving contact between players (or their parents) and other promising players (or their parents) which result in young athletes getting interested in attending a private school. With off season camps, training programs, AAA teams, etc. where the kids (or their parents) interact with each other, conversations are going to take place. But as long as "scholarships" or other special inducements are not offered, these types of interactions are and should remain perfectly legal, unless we want to pass laws that prevent people from talking about their school or their hockey team, why they like it, etc.

Is this what some people are actually referring to when they say private schools are "recruiting"?

[gopher9]

This is exactly why they should allow O/E!!! Without O/E kids that want to play at a higher level of athletics or a better education that cannot afford a private school are getting punished. It should be their choice! To sit out a year of athletics is rediculous! I will bet you see a private school winning the state tournament year in and year out! Boys and girls hockey. Not that winning is everything but poeple perceive it that way.

[MNHockeyFan]

To sit out a year of athletics is rediculous! I will bet you see a private school winning the state tournament year in and year out!.

I don't understand your point - won't the new transfer rule forcing athletes to sit out a year apply equally to private and public schools? How will this give private schools an advantage?

[xk1]

I believe the point gopher9 is trying to make is that without the ability to transfer, the public programs will be weaker, while the privates will remain strong.