Rebate on stop patches
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whockeyguy
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Rebate on stop patches
I witnessed an A bantam game the other day and a players stop patch fell off 5 minutes into the game, he did not put it back on, funny thing though he was never checked from behind but there were 3 other calls in the game for checking from behind but no one checked this player from behind... I believe i have scientific proof now that these patches dont mean a thing and Mn Hockey should rebate the money spent back to the local Associations, does anybody have scientific proof that they work??????????????
worst idea ever. They DO NOTHING! No player can honestly say when they are playing and go to check somebody that they actually see the little stop sign on the back of the jersey. It was worthless from the beginning, and checking from behind is still part of the game. It will always be part of the game.
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whockeyguy
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animal1019
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These patches are the dumbest idea ever. When kids go after a player they are looking at the puck not at the top of jersey to see if they can see a patch or not. There is not one player that looks at the patch. if someone says they notice the patch when they go hit someone, they are not playing hockey.
*3 - Checking from Behind Penalties in One Game!
That's a disgrace, the coaches of that team should be concerned as to their coaching abilities. Not that it's the coaches doing the checking, but it must be acceptable to have "36 Minutes in Penalties" for 3 offenses.
This form of checking only occurs in one section of the ice, usually, that is in the defensive corners. There is no effort being made or ability to get to the Puck, nor is the player making an attempt at body positioning. It is just an aggressive act, and should be strongly penalized for it.
It can be said that maybe the players aren't looking for a Patch went they commit a body check, but when the hand-goes-up and 12 minutes are served the Team as a whole suffers.
*Any Good Body Check should begin with a Play on the Puck, it's impossible to get to the Puck thru the Back of a Players Jersey!
The patches might not look good, but neither does a young athlete in neck brace or traction, or even worse a Wheel Chair.
It's Never Been a Part of the Game and Never Should Be!
Face Your Opponent, Don't Chase Them From Behind!
That's a disgrace, the coaches of that team should be concerned as to their coaching abilities. Not that it's the coaches doing the checking, but it must be acceptable to have "36 Minutes in Penalties" for 3 offenses.
This form of checking only occurs in one section of the ice, usually, that is in the defensive corners. There is no effort being made or ability to get to the Puck, nor is the player making an attempt at body positioning. It is just an aggressive act, and should be strongly penalized for it.
It can be said that maybe the players aren't looking for a Patch went they commit a body check, but when the hand-goes-up and 12 minutes are served the Team as a whole suffers.
*Any Good Body Check should begin with a Play on the Puck, it's impossible to get to the Puck thru the Back of a Players Jersey!
The patches might not look good, but neither does a young athlete in neck brace or traction, or even worse a Wheel Chair.
It's Never Been a Part of the Game and Never Should Be!
Face Your Opponent, Don't Chase Them From Behind!
Not a big fan of the patch on the sweaters, but if that's what it takes to save one kid from being hit from behind and being paralyzed I'm fine with it. It all begins with coaching and teaching the proper way's and time to deliver a hit. Coaches also have to teach the younger kids how to receive hit, I see far to many kids turning their backs to the on coming player and getting rocked. Safety Towards Other Players is a message, it is something players should be taught early on. I don't think it was ever intended to be thought of as a stop sign on a street.
you guys are right about teaching safety and proper playing techniques
but maybe increasing the size, adding flashing neon lights to the outline, and a robot voice like from Lost in Space, "Danger. Danger Mr. Hockey Player!" for those kids that are still a little slow and get caught up in the action.
but maybe increasing the size, adding flashing neon lights to the outline, and a robot voice like from Lost in Space, "Danger. Danger Mr. Hockey Player!" for those kids that are still a little slow and get caught up in the action.
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QuackerTracker
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It would be nice to see if there are any stats on the # of CFBs the years before the signs where put on vs. the years after. I agree that they are very common place now and don't get noticed.
however the player that lost his stop sign should not have been allowed back on the ice untill it was attached according to the clarification that I received on the MN Hockey Rules.
however the player that lost his stop sign should not have been allowed back on the ice untill it was attached according to the clarification that I received on the MN Hockey Rules.
ice29
I disagree, and i agree with what you said.
**I DISAGREE WITH YOU**
Not all good checks should not begin with a play on the puck. If you play the puck first, a lot of the time you will get beat.
How can you penalize a player for being aggressive? Out of control and cheap is a different story.
**I AGREE WITH YOU**
Most coaches teach basic checking skills, and leave it at that. Most do not teach how to seperate the player from the puck with a check, nor do they teach the player with the puck how to take a check. They teach body, body, body, I hear coaches yelling it all the timeto avoid having players from getting beat by looking at the puck. That is why i think checking from behind happens so frequently.
However, to me, its on the players to understand and be able to distinguish when to play the puck first, and when to play the body.
I disagree, and i agree with what you said.
**I DISAGREE WITH YOU**
Not all good checks should not begin with a play on the puck. If you play the puck first, a lot of the time you will get beat.
How can you penalize a player for being aggressive? Out of control and cheap is a different story.
**I AGREE WITH YOU**
Most coaches teach basic checking skills, and leave it at that. Most do not teach how to seperate the player from the puck with a check, nor do they teach the player with the puck how to take a check. They teach body, body, body, I hear coaches yelling it all the timeto avoid having players from getting beat by looking at the puck. That is why i think checking from behind happens so frequently.
However, to me, its on the players to understand and be able to distinguish when to play the puck first, and when to play the body.
** I agree with most of this, but the Point I was making is how can a Coach or Team allow 3 KFB penalties in 1 game. I do agree that at first the patches did have an affect of the #'s of KFB, but I think it is on the increase at all levels. I coach girls, have a duaghter who plays, son plays varsity - I have witnessed at least 15 or more KFB's this year at Boys and 10 or more at Girls 12U. My son has been at the receiving end of (5) himself, he wonders if he should change his # or something.
** Maybe instead of 10 and 2 as a Penalty, it should be 5 major and game ejection. The chances of severe injure in a KFB is too great and that better coaching as-to how to check or recieve a check has nothing to do with this type of Penalty.
** You can't get to the puck by going THRU a players body, it's simple.
** Maybe instead of 10 and 2 as a Penalty, it should be 5 major and game ejection. The chances of severe injure in a KFB is too great and that better coaching as-to how to check or recieve a check has nothing to do with this type of Penalty.
** You can't get to the puck by going THRU a players body, it's simple.
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QuackerTracker
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The problem with making it mandatory 5 and a game is the more refs would bale out and call ruffing or boarding. There are all ready to many refs that don't call the 10 adn 2 enough. The 5 and a game is reserved for the most dangerous hits and I beleive it has to stay that way.ice29 wrote: ** Maybe instead of 10 and 2 as a Penalty, it should be 5 major and game ejection. The chances of severe injure in a KFB is too great and that better coaching as-to how to check or recieve a check has nothing to do with this type of Penalty.
I agree with you on the idea that the refs *might* stop making the call of the penalty is more severe. I think a Check from Behind is the most sereve infraction that players are using now. Yes, there is kicking, leg-whip, kneeing and of course the two-hand slash. These penalties are already being Ref'd to levels of severity. I can't remember the last time a saw a Game Misconduct for an intent to injure other that an overly aggressive KFB.
*The point is the KFB is on the rise at all levels! The Officiating is making the same calls that have been made since it's conception and the # of calls are increasing. I don't think that the 2 and 10 is no longer considered as a servere intent to injure penalty -- players and coaches are willing to live with it.
* A 5 and Game would make the decision to commit the offense up the Players and the after it's called, I think you wouldn't see the 2 or 3 KFB in the same game or even by the same player in a Season.
Let's not wait till a disablity occurs, and then ask WHY!!
*The point is the KFB is on the rise at all levels! The Officiating is making the same calls that have been made since it's conception and the # of calls are increasing. I don't think that the 2 and 10 is no longer considered as a servere intent to injure penalty -- players and coaches are willing to live with it.
* A 5 and Game would make the decision to commit the offense up the Players and the after it's called, I think you wouldn't see the 2 or 3 KFB in the same game or even by the same player in a Season.
Let's not wait till a disablity occurs, and then ask WHY!!