LPH Rankings-A

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:32 am

xk1 wrote:I would say the most over rated team in this group is Austin. They really never traveled away from home to play any of the better A teams so Krach has no way of doing a proper SOS.

Some have also voiced a similar (but opposite) concern for Hibbing SOS wise. Their record isn't built up by lower SOS W's so maybe they're getting penalized a bit too much for an amazing SOS???

Bensonmum · Post by **Bensonmum** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:08 am

Every time I read one of mnhockgal's posts she's saying that so-and-so 'hasn't played anybody'. If there are only 56 Class A teams out there, how can everybody schedule anybody who mnhockgal considers a somebody? If she keeps saying that nobody played anybody, how is anybody supposed to find somebody to play?

ice29 · Post by **ice29** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:17 am

How can 5 of the Top 8 teams have a 2nd rating SOS(Strength of Schedule) alot higher than the 9th thru 12th teams. I would think that Strength of Schedule would an important part of any rating system.
I think it shows that some of the 9 to 15 teams are playing alot AA ranked teams and are very competitive with them.
Alex, Breck, Austin, and Farmington very high SOS rating. Is that related to the strenght of the other teams in their conferences and sections.
*Just looking for a different perspective and answers to the Different ranking systems. I have no favorites, but Alexandria #1 in Krach w/ a 90 Rank and 74.49 Rating vs. Silver Bay #12 in Krach w/ a 57 Rank and 56.23 Rating. We can even throw-in Roseau, New Prague, and Maht.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:53 am

2/1/07

Girls hockey

Minnesota AP Polls

By Let’s Play Hockey

CLASS A

1. Blake (7)

2. Alexandria

3. Hibbing-Chisholm

4. Crookston/Red Lake Falls

5. Warroad

6. Breck

7. Farmington

8. South St. Paul

9. New Prague

10. Roseau

11. Simley

12. Shakopee

13. Richfield

14. Austin

15. Mahtomedi

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:56 am

ice29 wrote: How can 5 of the Top 8 teams have a 2nd rating SOS(Strength of Schedule) alot higher than the 9th thru 12th teams. I would think that Strength of Schedule would an important part of any rating system.
I think it shows that some of the 9 to 15 teams are playing alot AA ranked teams and are very competitive with them.
Alex, Breck, Austin, and Farmington very high SOS rating. Is that related to the strenght of the other teams in their conferences and sections.
*Just looking for a different perspective and answers to the Different ranking systems. I have no favorites, but Alexandria #1 in Krach w/ a 90 Rank and 74.49 Rating vs. Silver Bay #12 in Krach w/ a 57 Rank and 56.23 Rating. We can even throw-in Roseau, New Prague, and Maht.

Don't be fooled by the math in SOS. It can be deceiving when it's a straight average. That value is only meant to give an approximation of the strength of opponents faced, but can be somewhat counterintuitive sometimes when you look at the different ways even for a couple teams to have the same SOS. I've documented some of these concerns elsewhere and will try to find that info. & link here ASAP...

A start:
http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/news ... page=15865

Here's the details of how SOS can be a little deceiving:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 1&start=10

ghshockeyfan wrote:
twowayplay wrote:How can that be when SOS Ranking for Blake is 4 times stronger? Blake 21st vs Breck 81st. Am I reading this wrong?
SOS is deceiving. It's an average of the ranks of all the opponents a team faces. So, two teams could play 10 games, and have the same SOS, same record, but much different rankings based on which teams they actually faced.

Example:

Team A plays a game against each of the top 10 teams in the state - they woudl have an SOS of approx 5

Team B plays 5 games against the team ranked 4 in the state, and 5 games against the team ranked 6 in the state - they too would have an SOS of approx 5

If both teams lose only 1 game, which is better? Krach would say that the team that played all of the top 5 teams is better. Krach assumes they lost to the #1 ranked team - or that their loss comes against the best team they faced.

How is this a "problem?" Well, if a team is inconsistent, and beats teams ranked high but loses to teams ranked low, then they are only given credit by KRACh for W's against the weak teams on their scheudle. This may seem unfair, but should an inconsistent team really be ranked that high???

Also, this is all why you can't look at SOS & record alone and assume that a team should be ranked above/below another team. You have to actually look at the opponents directly.

This is also why two teams can play head-to-head and the loser ranked ahead of the winner. One game doesn't a season make, and chances are that a team that lost head-to-head beat a better team ranked ahead of the head-to-head opponent that they are still ranked ahead of after losing to them.

xk1 wrote:Because Breck is 16-0 and Blake is 12-4, I would expect Breck to drop down a lot if they lose. Krach needs a more diverse schedule to work, there is always at least 1 team that plays a weak schedule and plays well so they get ranked too high.
And, teams that are perfect (undefeated) can only be ranked ahead of everyone as they have no losses. If two teams are undefeated, the one with the better SOS should be higher. Note, "undefeated" really means - no ties or losses. Ties count as .5 wins, and if you have two ties it really looks like a W & a L to KRACh as a result.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:26 pm

HOCKEY • GIRLS

ASSOCIATED PRESS POLLS

• Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper. First-place votes are in parentheses.

• Class 1A: 1. Blake (7), 2. Hibbing/Chisholm, 3. Alexandria, 4. Warroad, 5. Crookston/Red Lake Falls, 6. Farmington, 7. New Prague, 8. Breck, 9. South St. Paul, 10. Shakopee, 11. Roseau, 12. Richfield, 13. Mahtomedi, 14. Simley, 15. Austin.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 11:25 pm

HOCKEY • GIRLS

ASSOCIATED PRESS POLLS

• Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper. First-place votes are in parentheses.

• Class 1A: 1. Blake (7), 2. Alexandria, 3. Hibbing/Chisholm, 4. Warroad, 5. Farmington, 6. Crookston/Red Lake Falls, 7. New Prague, 8. Breck, 9. South St. Paul, 10. Roseau, 11. Mahtomedi, 12. Richfield, 13. Shakopee, 14. Simley, 15. Austin.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:21 pm

I don't beleive that these changed from 2-15 to 2-22 although I could be wrong... I assume the final will be this week???

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:23 pm

FINAL

HOCKEY • GIRLS

ASSOCIATED PRESS POLLS • FINAL

• Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper. First-place votes are in parentheses.

• Class 1A: 1. Blake (7), 2. Farmington, 3. Crookston/Red Lake Falls, 4. Hibbing/Chisholm, 5. Breck, 6. Warroad, 7. Alexandria, 8. New Prague, 9. Austin, 10. Mahtomedi, 11. South St. Paul, 12. Roseau, 13. Richfield, 14. Simley, 15. Shakopee.

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:05 am

ghshockeyfan wrote:FINAL

HOCKEY • GIRLS

ASSOCIATED PRESS POLLS • FINAL

• Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper. First-place votes are in parentheses.

• Class 1A: 1. Blake (7), 2. Farmington, 3. Crookston/Red Lake Falls, 4. Hibbing/Chisholm, 5. Breck, 6. Warroad, 7. Alexandria, 8. New Prague, 9. Austin, 10. Mahtomedi, 11. South St. Paul, 12. Roseau, 13. Richfield, 14. Simley, 15. Shakopee.

Strange that Austin, at No. 9, is the only ranked team from Southern Minnesota in the final A and AA AP team polls, despite the Southern MN teams having 29 AP All State individual selections.

ice29 · Post by **ice29** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:33 am

MNHockeyFan wrote:
ghshockeyfan wrote:FINAL

HOCKEY • GIRLS

ASSOCIATED PRESS POLLS • FINAL

• Provided by Let's Play Hockey newspaper. First-place votes are in parentheses.

• Class 1A: 1. Blake (7), 2. Farmington, 3. Crookston/Red Lake Falls, 4. Hibbing/Chisholm, 5. Breck, 6. Warroad, 7. Alexandria, 8. New Prague, 9. Austin, 10. Mahtomedi, 11. South St. Paul, 12. Roseau, 13. Richfield, 14. Simley, 15. Shakopee.
Strange that Austin, at No. 9, is the only ranked team from Southern Minnesota in the final A and AA AP team polls, despite the Southern MN teams having 29 AP All State individual selections.

A Joke - It's always a Joke when it comes to AP or LPH! I have been laughing for, I can't remember how many years, maybe 5 years. Nothing is as surprising as to let Sports Writers perdict, rate, or vote on anything. Far too many writers ( I will eliminate the SPORTS title) could also report on or rate recipes in the TASTE sections of their newspapers. Being uninformed is predictable, an uninformed vote is distasteful.
But, put 7 or 8 larger Newspapers in a 75 mile radius and guess what? The voting will be wrong and unrepresentative. I see that Cloquet and Hibbing are basically the only schools in the NE that had any REPRESENTABLE Players to vote on. Of course, Duluth is the only area Newspaper to vote on a 150 mile radius of players.
I laugh with a distasteful flavor in my Mouth.

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