BCS-The Debate

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 am

All I know packerboy, is that Michigan was #2 and didn't lose. The next week they fell to #3 because people didn't want to see a rematch, so they spun USC to #2 and dropped Michigan to 3. If USC wins its last game regardless of what Florida did, thats how it would have ended with Florida #4. But because USC lost, now they had to spin Florida to #2.

I have no doubt if Florida lost also, they would have spun a battle of unbeatens in the Championship game.

"Ride a painted pony let the spinnin' wheel spin"

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:31 pm

Well, in all fairness to the spinsters, I can deal with the drop of MI even if they did not lose part.

If MI was #2 and FLA beat OSU that would change things even though MI didnt play.

But that didnt happen so the spin comes out. It has to be spin because FLA lost to #15 Auburn and MI lost to #1 OSU on the road by 3.

BTW, the 'have to win your conference' mentality used to be sound when they just voted for #1 before the BCS. But now it has no appliaction except tp serve as spin.

You can say the #1 team has to win its conference but to say the #2 team does forecloses the possibilty that the 2 best teams are in the same conference... and while that is rare, it can happen.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:56 pm

Am I saying a runner up team in it's conference doesn't deserve to play in the BCS championship game? Yes, but that's my opinion, not spin. No it's not written anywhere, but if I had a vote I wouldn't vote Michigan #2 ahead of a 1 loss Florida or USC whom won their conference. Why? Because football is so regional that it's impossible to objectively compare teams across regions who only play 12 games, a vast majority of which are in their own conference or region. It may very well end up being true that the top 3 teams in the country are from the Big Ten; 12-0 Ohio St., 11-1 Michigan whom lost to Ohio St., and 11-1 Wisconsin whom only lost to Michigan. But like you pointed out Packerboy, Ohio St. may not be the #1 team in the country and having them play Michigan again just reinforces that they are without them have to prove it against a team from outside their region.

Sure teams win NCAA tournaments without being their conference champion, but it's a bad argument in a couple of ways, first all other sports play a season ending tournament to decide their champion, if D1 football did that I wouldn't be opposed to Michigan or some other runner up being in the tournament even if it was a 4 team tournament. At least then other teams from other regions had a chance to prove that they were #1. Even more importantly the NCAA doesn't award a National championship in D1 football, they never have and probably never will. The NCAA season came to end last Saturday. The fact is that D1 national champions in football are really only mythical and voted on. If you're goal is to find a team that will have the best chance to be atop all the polls at years end (which is what the BCS is set up to do) then.....

By putting a team like Florida in the BCS championship game you're less likely to have controversy at the end of the season (not that it matters) becuase say Michigan beat OSU, and Florida wins, then you end up with 3 12-1 teams, all of which have a legitimate claim to the National title, as it stands now Michigan is already elimanted due to a loss to OSU and whomever loses between Florida and OSU also will have no claim.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:57 pm

Very good point. Do they change the NCAA basketball tournament to just 13 teams (around there) so that it is only those who won the conference? Good luck on that, they want to expand it to more than 65 already.

Btw, USC never deserved going. This is evidence:
http://www.ejb.com/video/15620/Usc_chee ... idiot.html

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:40 pm

I can get on board with those saying that Michigan is the 2nd best team in the country. You certainly have an argument, and they have proven that they are elite. But the fact is, they are not # 1. The national title game should be between two potential # 1 teams, Ohio State has proven that as of now they are # 1, and now Florida has their chance to prove that they are # 1. Florida might be # 3, or they might be # 1, but Michigan has pretty much locked themself into no better than # 2 in my mind.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:36 pm

Breezers, I think you've nailed it.

Now lets party...

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:32 pm

Mumbo Jumbo.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:10 pm

From Dec 5

goldy313 wrote:
I said a week ago I thought Florida had the best chance of beating Ohio St. of any team in the running, but barring the unforseen they had no shot. Well USC did the improbable and lost, so Florida got in. I've never changed my tune on it, I said from the start Michigan doesn't deserve to play because they didn't win their conference. I'm not sure how that's spinning.

By January we'll know alot more, but I'd guess the Big Ten doesn't win many Bowl games this year.

Well this became a pretty quiet thread, not surpising seeing as Michigan was totally outclassed by a better USC team. Maybe Oregon St. is better than anyone in the Big Ten. Florida is dismantaling the #1 team in the country, and the Big Ten is going to an astounding 2-5 in bowl games, and it would be worse had Tennessee not fumbled their game away.

Maybe the real question shouldn't have been did Michigan get srewed but did Boise St get screwed. The BCS got it right. Big Ten teams need to play soembody.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:41 pm

I will admit that I thought Michigan deserved a shot, I still do. But Florida has put on one heck of a show. TOTALLY and COMPLETELY outplaying and outcoaching Ohio St. Heisman winner? He looks a lot like Jason White did a few years ago.

Even if Ginn hadn't gotten hurt, the "stellar" OSU D still gave up 41 pts so far (& 38 against Mich). I'm starting to think they are a bit of a fluke. Beat Texas before their QB started getting going (he was a freshman, 1st big game and hadn't gotten the whole playbook yet) and then played easy teams. The SEC is the best conference in the nation and have been for the last couple years. To get through with only 1 loss especially with how hard it is to play on the road is admirable.

Way to go Gators and the BCS showed it can still matchup the best teams (even if OSU wasn't one of them this year, they showed them for how they really are.)

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:44 pm

A complete and utter Big 10 embarrassment.

Blue Breeze · Post by **Blue Breeze** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:14 pm

The Big 10 is really starting to be outclassed by other conferences, in all sports. This bowl season exposed the Big 10's weaknesses, and with a blowout in the title game, the biggest collapse in bowl history, and a Michigan team that was ridely regarded as a worthy title candidate getting dominated by USC, this may go down as one of the worst bowl seasons for the Big 10.

In basketball, the elite powers have dwindled to Wisconsin and newly annointed Ohio St., who even got blown out by the defending national champs.

The Big 10 has taken a backseat in regards to athletics these days.

Irishmans Shanty · Post by **Irishmans Shanty** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:20 am

For any of you who trumpeted the greatness of FL back in November, stand up and take a bow.

Congratulations to Florida. Two years ago they fired Ron Zook who had Florida spinning its wheels. Florida targeted Meyer as the guy who could bring them a championship, showed him the money, and he delivered.