redistricting

Crazy7s · Post by **Crazy7s** » Wed May 03, 2006 2:14 pm

Tyrell, Like the Johnsonprez said you must be a Timmy because you live in the metro. Are those voices talking to you again? You were doing so well after your operation. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Crazy7s</A> at: 5/3/06 2:17 pm

TyrellFashizo · Post by **TyrellFashizo** » Thu May 04, 2006 8:22 am

I think A and AA teams should be out of the question. Just like B1 or B2 should be rid of. How can a town of 2,000 people like Roseau play at such a high level despite low numbers? Because they have a passion for hockey. If you don't have a passion for it, don't play at an A level. Some one will always be better than you and there is always some one you could beat. "Coach'n ain't easy"

Gray Mullet · Post by **Gray Mullet** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:21 pm

I agree with you TyrellFazio. Teams like Roseau, Warroad, Grand Rapids, etc may not be solid every year but they do get good teams every few years. It is a nice challenge to go up against big mega suburban teams like Wayzata, Eden Prarie, etc. You might get clocked, you might pull off a victory it is all in the challenge.

puckboy · Post by **puckboy** » Thu May 04, 2006 1:28 pm

I also think its great that these smaller towns can compete. One huge benefit they have over small metro associations is the aboundance of ice time at a reasonable price.

TyrellFashizo · Post by **TyrellFashizo** » Fri May 05, 2006 8:28 am

The price for most ice time in towns like that is FREE. Because of the parents that go out and flood every night so the kids have good ice. We have the same options here, but most kids don't like skating outside, cause it gets cold <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("> If I wanted to skate so bad, I could find ice somewhere everyday. I think its more of an attitude than it is a money problem. "Coach'n ain't easy"

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Fri May 05, 2006 9:48 am

Last 4-5 years we are lucky to get 4 good weeks of outdoor ice in the south metro because it is just too warm. When I was a kid in the 70's in the metro, we used to skate some years by Thanksgiving. Now, most suburbs won't even flood outdoor rinks around here until after X-mas because of the temperatures. Over one-half of the schedule ice time during a 5 week period for our ass'n was canceled due to poor ice.

ice00breaker · Post by **ice00breaker** » Sat May 06, 2006 12:31 pm

You spend that much time on the outdoor ice for your association? Wow, I know I go to the outdoor ice a lot, but not for my associaition.

lxhockey · Post by **lxhockey** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:54 am

Since we do not have enough indoor ice, our mite program is primarily on the outdoor ice until Feb. Since the last few years the outdoor ice season has been shortened extensively, the mites have not been getting a lot of ice time.

TyrellFashizo · Post by **TyrellFashizo** » Tue May 09, 2006 9:39 am

lxhockey, how does your mite program use the indoor ice? Do you have one team use the whole ice? (our program does) We use all the outdoor ice we can, but I'm not a mite coach, so if I say too much more, I'll be in trouble. "Coach'n ain't easy"

lxhockey · Post by **lxhockey** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:36 pm

With mini mites we have 6 teams going cross ice for game situations, 4 teams on half sheets for the next older group, and full sheets for our oldest mites. Skills & drills are always shared ice with multiple stations rotating with about 6 kids per station/coach. But this is off topic for this thread.

lxhockey · Post by **lxhockey** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:24 pm

I hope it's a typo otherwise someone's geography is not very good. Why would New Prague be put in the new
District 13?

I thought New Prague was suppose to go to D6 and
Eastview and Apple Valley were going to D8?

If nothing else, New Prague should stay in D4 to give
Mankato some competition.

GoEV · Post by **GoEV** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:38 am

What happened to the proposal to send AV/EV to D8? Anyone know the particulars?

RLStars · Post by **RLStars** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:52 am

What about Sauk Rapid,s St. Cloud and Sauk Centre moving to D5, with Mound leaving for D3 or D6?

Are these moves, along with AV and Eastview to D8 still proposed?

VicKevlar · Post by **VicKevlar** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:06 pm

No changes for D3 in the near future......in a couple of years maybe Champlin.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:26 pm

New Prague has wanted out of District 4 for years. New prague to Luverne, Windom, REdwood, Marshall and Worthington are long, long trips.

This looks better from a travel standpoint for NP. The only really long trips are Winona and LaCrescent. You'll get some continuity from youth to high school with Red Wing and Northfield being Missota Conference rivals.

Johnsonpres · Post by **Johnsonpres** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:09 am

Tyrell,
I am watching your comments!!!!

bugsy · Post by **bugsy** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:00 pm

I see from the Minnesota hockey website that the current redistricting proposal was defeated by the Board of Directors.

Elliott, can you enlighten us on why and what opposition there was.

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:54 pm

I thought the proposal made sense. Is the issue completely dead (again)?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:31 pm

D4 voted 10 to 4 against it.
Rochester, Red Wing, one other D8 and New Prague wanted some changes.
Board members felt there was too much opposition from teams it directly effected.

The vote was to be held in September and still might be as an ad hoc committee is looking into resolving the issues brought up.

SEMetro · Post by **SEMetro** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:58 pm

I believe most of the metro D8 teams want some help. It will be impossible to get all on board however.

Torquer · Post by **Torquer** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:20 pm

After plowing through the hundreds of posts on this subject I saw a lot of ideas (many self-serving) and I was a little surprised that there weren't ideas based on how other states might tackle this issue.
Having been part of MN youth hockey for 35+ years I had the opportunity to experience Wisconsin youth hockey the past 3 seasons. I know, I know, what could the State of Hockey learn from a bunch of Cheeseheads? (2006 college National Champions not withstanding.) I thought the same thing.
They do have a pretty slick answer to the districting however. At 1st I thought it was another feel-good attempt so practically every kid could say they went to State. But having experienced it, the competitive level isn't diminished a bit- it may even be better as everybody plays like they have a legitimate shot. Yeah, maybe there are several state champions so one team can't say we are THE State Peewee Champs. But who really cares? We are talking about KIDS. In High School we can see which team (x2) truly is the BEST.

Torquer · Post by **Torquer** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:27 pm

Here is the explanation of the Wisconsin Classification system. There is more on the WAHA website www.waha-hockey.com
Click on Guidebook- go to Article 2.
Tier I is a classification for AAA teams. Tier II is all the "regular" associations.

TIER II

Levels of Classification Defined:

Classifying Associations:

Teams in each division will be reflected as listed below, effective in the 2002-2003 season:

Division 1 Division 2 Division 3 Division 4
1A 2A 3A 4A
1B 2B 3B 4B
1C 2C 3C 4C
1D
1E

And subsequent letter designations as required in each division to allow for future growth.

Associations are placed into divisions using the following criteria:
Ability to schedule ice.
Number of youth teams.
Success in league play.
Number of times teams qualify for state tournaments.
Past success at state tournaments.
Size of association number of skaters.
Classification - All districted associations at the Bantam, Peewee, Squirt and Mite levels are to be classified into four divisions for state play in the manner listed below. Teams that wish to play in a higher division, see Exceptions to Classification.

Division 1

1A - the top team in the association
1B - the second team in the association
1C - the third team in the association
1D - the fourth team in the association
1E - the fifth team in the association
If a Division 1 association has more than five teams, it may register those additional teams at any level in their division. Division 1 teams may only play in Division 1

Division 2

2A - the top team in the association
2B - the second team in the association
2C - the third team in the association

If a Division 2 association has more than three teams, it may register those additional teams at any level in their division. Division 2 teams may only play in Division 2.

Division 3

3A - the top team in the association
3B - the second team in the association
3C - the third team in the association

If a Division 3 association has more than three teams, it may register those additional teams at any level in their division. Division 3 teams may only play in Division 3.

Division 4

4A - the top team in the association
4B - the second team in the association
4C - the third team in the association

If a Division 4 association has more than three teams, it may register those additional teams at any level in their division. Division 4 teams may only play in Division 4.

UNCLASSIFIED

An undistracted team that registers three or more players from districted teams.

Torquer · Post by **Torquer** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:39 pm

Basically your whole association is classified- not indivual teams. Associations aren't allowed to jump up or down each year based on what they think their talent looks like that year. They can petition to move, but they need to demonstrate they'll be at that level for a few years.

You have to play each team at your level in your Region (twice) before Regionals, but other than that you can schedule games with whoever you want.

It has to be a good revenue generator for all the additional associations hosting all of those Regional and State Tournaments.

Of course WAHA has all of the politics and bickering that MN hockey does, but I really didn't hear of any on this subject. Everybody seems pretty happy with it.

I would think some of our MN Hockey officers may want to contact some WAHA people and get their thoughts on it.

Questions?

lowlyIQ · Post by **lowlyIQ** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:26 pm

You look at the Como organization in District 1, They decide each and every year which way they will go. At the Pee Wee level last year they went B with no A team and went to the regionals and ended up rated 8 th in the state. Now again this year they are going B.

ice00breaker · Post by **ice00breaker** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:01 pm

But they still didnt even get close to winning states. I think they got 1 win in regions. I dont see what the problem is if they still cant make a run at states

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