Hibbing vs Grand Rapids

hadenuf · Post by **hadenuf** » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:12 am

northwoods oldtimer wrote:
rainier wrote:Overall a really fun game. Memorial Building was 95% full, had to be 2,500-3,000 people there.

Rapids had a decided advantage in play, but Hibbing did a good job keeping most of the shots to the outside and letting Ullan make the save. Rapids forecheck gave Hibbing defense fits, as expected. Some Hibbing players looked way too tentative and nervous, which only made things worse.

Part way into the game, the BAM line was reunited, and they were excellent. I wasn't as impressed with lines 2 and 3 for GR. GR defense did a good job of moving the puck quickly to prevent Hibbing from getting much of a forecheck going.

It was a good dose of reality for Hibbing, as they saw the type of team they will have to beat if they want to go to state. (How did GR lose to Hermantown 5-0?!!)

First goal was controversial, as a Hibbing defenseman was clearly injured and couldn't get up, but the refs just let the game keep going for what seemed like forever until GR scored. That was essentially a pp goal.

2nd goal was a nice redirection by Mattson on the pp.

3rd goal was a shorty by Miller, although there was some controversy as Ullan made the
save, but he got barreled into by both Miller and Perunovich. Refs ruled Perunovich pushed Miller into Ullan.

So, as some people are fond of saying about the Hibbing-Greenway game: GR didn't score any even strength goals!

Usually I root for GR to win 7AA, but the group of drunken adult GR fans yelling and heckling Perunovich was so awful I don't think I can root for that team to win anything, given it might provide those doofuses with a moment of happiness. What's worse, these
cowards waited until the game was in hand to start their chanting. If kids want to heckle other kids, fine, but grown men heckling high school kids? Pathetic. Not to mention coming to a high school event three sheets to the wind.

Congrats to the T-Hawk players on a nice win, they are a talented bunch!
Ranier that is uncalled for but does not surprise me.

I saw and heard the chanting. It came from one from one guy who is surely "a tool". Don't worry, this is the last year of this hind of behavior. Next year he will take his act to a NAHL3 rink.

Bigcat99 · Post by **Bigcat99** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:45 pm

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3rd goal was a shorty by Miller, although there was some controversy as Ullan made the save, but he got barreled into by both Miller and Perunovich. Refs ruled Perunovich pushed Miller into Ullan... e]

Watch the video highlights for the not so controversial goal from Miller
https://twitter.com/richlibbeyvids/stat ... 9595131904

Sometimes fans see things that simply aren't there.

Perunivich was probably gassed as he was in the ice for 30 + minutes that night.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:03 pm

Bigcat99 wrote:....

3rd goal was a shorty by Miller, although there was some controversy as Ullan made the save, but he got barreled into by both Miller and Perunovich. Refs ruled Perunovich pushed Miller into Ullan... e]

Watch the video highlights for the not so controversial goal from Miller
https://twitter.com/richlibbeyvids/stat ... 9595131904

Sometimes fans see things that simply aren't there.

Perunivich was probably gassed as he was in the ice for 30 + minutes that night.

Fair enough, from my angle it looked like Miller might have also contacted Ullan. Don't get the benefit of replay while at the game.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:23 pm

Rainer, you or anyone else on board know someone at HMB that could verify 3000 attendance?

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:23 pm

I love video. It takes the average fan interpretation and puts a touch of reality to it. Clearly neither goal was controversial. 1st goal it does not matter if a player is down, refs are instructed to stop the game as soon as any goal scoring opportunity is null and void. Obviously if they feel there is a chance it is serious they can stop it but very rarely would you blow te whistle when a team is on the offense and creating a scoring opp. Result great call and good goal. Millers goal on video clearly shows his ability to skate. Peruni is fast but not miller fast. Sorry. Miller made a great move and peruni clearly takes out ullan himself and actually te contact comes after Ryan is beat. Result another good goal. I will say I was surprised the thawks came out and dominated us. Watch the repays on YouTube and you can clearly see hibbings weakness is lack of strength n skill on the blue line. Will be interesting to see if herm forwards have the same affect on the game.

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:28 pm

I talked with the ticket takers at the snake pit vs greenway and they had 2200 tickets and sold all 2200 and continue to let people in. Never heard a final number but I can tell you the rapids game was not close to sold out and not nearly as packed as the Hibbing greenway game. My gut tells me if things continue the game vs greenway feb 2 will be even bigger crowd than the rapids game. Just more on the line. My gut tells me the memorial building had about 2800 in it for the rapids game. The YouTube videos clearly show there was plenty of seats left

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:05 pm

howardst wrote:I love video. It takes the average fan interpretation and puts a touch of reality to it. Clearly neither goal was controversial. 1st goal it does not matter if a player is down, refs are instructed to stop the game as soon as any goal scoring opportunity is null and void. Obviously if they feel there is a chance it is serious they can stop it but very rarely would you blow te whistle when a team is on the offense and creating a scoring opp. Result great call and good goal. Millers goal on video clearly shows his ability to skate. Peruni is fast but not miller fast. Sorry. Miller made a great move and peruni clearly takes out ullan himself and actually te contact comes after Ryan is beat. Result another good goal. I will say I was surprised the thawks came out and dominated us. Watch the repays on YouTube and you can clearly see hibbings weakness is lack of strength n skill on the blue line. Will be interesting to see if herm forwards have the same affect on the game.

The Hibbing superfan strikes again!

From my angle and in real time it appeared Miller made contact with Ullan. Even the GR fans around me were saying Perunovich pushed Miller into making contact with Ullan. The refs had a meeting after the goal, so it must not have been that obvious to them.

Now that I've seen the replay from a different angle, yes it was a good goal.

GR dominated Hibbing? According to you, if most or all of the goals are on the pp, then that is not a real win. GR had a pp goal and another when a Hibbing player was injured and couldn't get off the ice, so that is the same as a pp goal. And their 3rd goal was a shorty when Perunovich was absolutely gassed and Ullan made the save, but Perunovich pushed him into the net. GR was the better team, no doubt. But that is hardly domination.

You said Hibbing's win over Greenway wasn't good because they didn't score any even strength goals, but now you say the GR win was "domination" when they also didn't get an even strength goal?

Everyone knows you're a Greenway fan. Give it up.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:11 pm

3000 regular season would be a huge story for the State Tourney announcers and national hockey media. Taking Karl's wisdom on it , it could well be 10 years since there's has been 3000 regular season in the state, that probably last being Hounds vs CEC

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 3:15 pm

howardst wrote:I talked with the ticket takers at the snake pit vs greenway and they had 2200 tickets and sold all 2200 and continue to let people in. Never heard a final number but I can tell you the rapids game was not close to sold out and not nearly as packed as the Hibbing greenway game. My gut tells me if things continue the game vs greenway feb 2 will be even bigger crowd than the rapids game. Just more on the line. My gut tells me the memorial building had about 2800 in it for the rapids game. The YouTube videos clearly show there was plenty of seats left

The only empty seats were a few parts of rows closest to the ice at each end of the ice, and the standing room was full on top on both sides and on the glass near the entrance. The MB seats 3,460. If everyone standing went to the empty seats, I think they would have been full. I'm guessing it was at least 3,000.

Your gut seems to be telling you a lot of things, but perhaps it should tell you that no one actually believes you are a Hibbing fan. It would be funny if it wasn't so weird.

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:09 pm

I am not only a Hibbing fan but also a voice of reason and truly a high school fan. If you were a long term Hibbing fan you would have experienced much larger crowds back in the 80's. In fact there use to be two to three rows deep along the glass. They use dump the zamboni right in the corner and it would cause a bit of rough ice. Fact is not every Hibbing fan sees things your way and the video backs up my thoughts. Dude you need to relax. You are welcome to state your opinion and so am I. I take it upon myself to try to go and see these other teams and not just post with blue covered glasses. Fact is. Rapids scored a shorty and did control the game. Hibbing did not dominate in coleraine in the same fashion. Sorry. Just facts. We can argue about it and that's fine but I do know by your comments that you see things diff than I do and at this point I believe my perception and accounts are spot on. I will be there Tuesday. From there I'm trying to figure out what games I want to go see to continue to build my case for the final seedlings. Right now I have it herm Hibbing green denf. If and I say if Hibbing stumbles against green and then gets beat by herm by 3 or more I could see it going herm green Hibbing denf. Of course denf has there chance to make a case tues night and that could change it all together. A open educated perception will always see things more clearly. Quit with a player down thing. It happens everyday.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:38 pm

howardst wrote:I am not only a Hibbing fan but also a voice of reason and truly a high school fan. If you were a long term Hibbing fan you would have experienced much larger crowds back in the 80's. In fact there use to be two to three rows deep along the glass. They use dump the zamboni right in the corner and it would cause a bit of rough ice. Fact is not every Hibbing fan sees things your way and the video backs up my thoughts. Dude you need to relax. You are welcome to state your opinion and so am I. I take it upon myself to try to go and see these other teams and not just post with blue covered glasses. Fact is. Rapids scored a shorty and did control the game. Hibbing did not dominate in coleraine in the same fashion. Sorry. Just facts. We can argue about it and that's fine but I do know by your comments that you see things diff than I do and at this point I believe my perception and accounts are spot on. I will be there Tuesday. From there I'm trying to figure out what games I want to go see to continue to build my case for the final seedlings. Right now I have it herm Hibbing green denf. If and I say if Hibbing stumbles against green and then gets beat by herm by 3 or more I could see it going herm green Hibbing denf. Of course denf has there chance to make a case tues night and that could change it all together. A open educated perception will always see things more clearly. Quit with a player down thing. It happens everyday.

You're a "long-term" Hibbing fan, yet you can't post anything on here without mentioning Greenway somehow.

Your perception is "spot on"? You start this thread by saying "Hibbing can score. Can Rapids?" Those are not the ponderings of someone who's perception is "spot on."

And I agree, GR's win over Hibbing was more convincing than Hibbing's win over Greenway.

What annoys me is that most of the time you go out of your way to criticize Hibbing, and all of the time you praise absolutely everything about Greenway, yet you claim to "bleed blue". I've been on this forum for five years and I've never seen a so called "fan" of a team tear their team down while simultaneously fawning over one of their long time rivals. It doesn't add up and no one buys it.

You talk to the Greenway ticket takers, you know how many shots Greenways 2nd and 3rd lines had in games, you go to Greenway games on nights Hibbing has games, you travel to Greenway games in Duluth, and you expend 80% of your energy on here telling everyone how great Greenway is. (The other 20% is reserved for ripping on Hibbing players and coaches, along with spreading false rumors.)

Gee, why would anyone question your loyalties?

Greenway is my 2nd favorite team in A, and if Hibbing falls in the 7A playoffs I will be rooting hard for the Raiders.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:46 pm

Wow, all I wanted to know if attendance was 3000, I will have to read the 7a thread more often!! WBL2424, do you suppose Bears might have drawn 3000 regular season attendance for any game in 2011?

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Sun Jan 17, 2016 4:51 pm

Oh heck no green is not perfect and yes I go to many games not just Hibbing. I went to the green game in Duluth when I was there for work. I went to the green Hibbing game and yes I do talk to people. I don't have to defend my loyalty to you. I am a high school hockey fan, open minded, and bluejackets are my fav. I won't sit back and listen to your uneducated view. Saying something positive about another team, defending there efforts does not change my loyalty. Dude you need to take a chill pill. To funny. If you want to have a debate on Hibbing hockey history let me know. Lol. I really don't care what you have to say about me. In the end my views are spot on. Watch and see how the seeds come out. Bet my thoughts way back when this all started are spot on and you will be proving me right. Lol. Get out catch some games and enjoy the opinions of others because yours are not the only ones that matter. Hope you catch more than a few Hibbing games and you enjoy the rest of the high school season. It is about kids playing a game and not about you.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:13 am

Grand Rapids controlled play from the onset. Hibbing got great goaltending and few quality chances. The shot totals were lopsided. The chance totals were lopsided. The Hibbing goalie was outstanding. Without his performance the score may have been ugly.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:28 am

boblee wrote:Grand Rapids controlled play from the onset. Hibbing got great goaltending and few quality chances. The shot totals were lopsided. The chance totals were lopsided. The Hibbing goalie was outstanding. Without his performance the score may have been ugly.

Without Holum's performance that game is a one goal game or tied.

Without Mattson GR only scores one goal.

Shots were 42-22. If both goalies had played equally well and put up a .900 sv%, the score is 4-2 GR. Not exactly a blowout.

I don't get this fantasizing about how the game would be if the Hibbing goalie hadn't played great. That's who he is, it's what he's been doing all season. A big percentage of the GR shots were from the outside, it's not like they were all from the slot and Ullan was robbing everyone.

Your team was so dominant yet they couldn't score an even strength goal. It took an injured Hibbing player and a gassed Perunovich running into Ullan after he already made the save to keep the game from being a one goal game.

howardst · Post by **howardst** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:35 am

Ranier its those kind of assessments that prove your knowledge. Please Please Please stop embarrassing yourself and Hibbing. The hockey community is better than that. First off the so called injured Hibbing player is a mute point as Rapids had a scoring opp and continuation is part of the game. A gassed Peruni is a poor excuse for the turnover that Miller forced and created off of and the puck was going five hole before the Hibbing player crashed in to the net. Yes the Bluejacket tender played well and that a positive, but the game was in full control of the Thunderhawks. Dude it happens. Some times in life you get beat by a better team and it happened. Not a knock on Hibbing but a At A Boy for Rapids. I supppose now Im a Rapids fan

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:48 am

howardst wrote:Ranier its those kind of assessments that prove your knowledge. Please Please Please stop embarrassing yourself and Hibbing. The hockey community is better than that. First off the so called injured Hibbing player is a mute point as Rapids had a scoring opp and continuation is part of the game. A gassed Peruni is a poor excuse for the turnover that Miller forced and created off of and the puck was going five hole before the Hibbing player crashed in to the net. Yes the Bluejacket tender played well and that a positive, but the game was in full control of the Thunderhawks. Dude it happens. Some times in life you get beat by a better team and it happened. Not a knock on Hibbing but a At A Boy for Rapids. I supppose now Im a Rapids fan

Hey Einstein, the first few points I made were not serious and intended to point out the absurdity of saying "If player X didn't have such a great game, then..."

I watched the YouTube highlights, and 20 seconds passes from the time the Hibbing player goes down until the time GR scored. So a scoring chance was imminent for 20 seconds?

Miller did make a great play, but Ullan made the save first.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 4:35 pm

The rule is actually that the team with the injured player needs to control the puck, much like on a delayed penalty. Unless, of course, the injured players is in danger because of the play OR the injury appears to be very serious.

Wblhcky2424 · Post by **Wblhcky2424** » Tue Jan 19, 2016 5:24 pm

WestMetro wrote:Wow, all I wanted to know if attendance was 3000, I will have to read the 7a thread more often!! WBL2424, do you suppose Bears might have drawn 3000 regular season attendance for any game in 2011?

I don't believe so, 2010-11 was the first year at vadnais and even when the mezzanine was still open i don't believe it held that many people. The H-M game was probably the closest to it.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 8:45 am

WBL 2424, did the Bears also play Hm at Aldrich in reg season that year? Might that have gone over 3000?

Wblhcky2424 · Post by **Wblhcky2424** » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:07 am

WestMetro wrote:WBL 2424, did the Bears also play Hm at Aldrich in reg season that year? Might that have gone over 3000?

Nope, just at Vadnais that year