International Cup 2010

[High Off The Glass]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

Let's not get to off track here. By the way, who won the 2000 level?

[codemanh]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

Let's not get to off track here. By the way, who won the 2000 level?

Blades won. You can see all the score sheets from every level at

http://www.pointstreak.com/players/play ... agueid=520

[hockeyfollower]

After following this forum for the last several months I decided to go out and watch some of the games this past weekend. The Blades won the Championship 9-3 in a very well played game against a very good Top Gun Elite team. I was extremely impressed with the level of passing that the Blades performed with. They were an extremly unselfish team and extremly well coached. I spent alot of time watching the bench to understand the style of coaching, and I was impressed with the mix of positive praise coupled with discipline when a player(s) evidently didn't perform to the coaches satisfaction. I can't see how those on this board can put down this team of 10 year olds after what i saw this weekend. I have a grandson that will be at this age in a couple of years and I hope that my son considers this program as an option for his son.

[High Off The Glass]

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

Let's not get to off track here. By the way, who won the 2000 level?

Blades won. You can see all the score sheets from every level at

http://www.pointstreak.com/players/play ... agueid=520

I thought this team wasn't any good? By the scores, they dominated. Boy, when the Blades win, you don't hear a thing, but if they lose a game it's on this blog about 5 minutes later, funny how that works.

[TGO]

[quote="hockeyfollower"]After following this forum for the last several months I decided to go out and watch some of the games this past weekend. The Blades won the Championship 9-3 in a very well played game against a very good Top Gun Elite team. I was extremely impressed with the level of passing that the Blades performed with. They were an extremly unselfish team and extremly well coached. I spent alot of time watching the bench to understand the style of coaching, and I was impressed with the mix of positive praise coupled with discipline when a player(s) evidently didn't perform to the coaches satisfaction. I can't see how those on this board can put down this team of 10 year olds after what i saw this weekend. I have a grandson that will be at this age in a couple of years and I hope that my son considers this program as an option for his son.[/quote]

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I agree with you...The Blades are very good. Any kid would be lucky to be part of this organization. The jealousy and immature banter about them and even the machine is quite amusing considering the ages of these kids. This is good hockey...as long as the kids are learning and having fun.

[Machine parent]

You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.

I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.

As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]

No, I acknowledge your point - playing with emotion is fine and I'm all for it - playing with SPORTSMANSHIP is different. The way most kids celebrate goals nowadays is LEARNED behavior NOT emotion. Just watch one of your beloved Blades pile-ups or skate down the bench to bump fists - ALL learned behavior (as Air Force 1 stated UND, U of M does it) . A high five or a fist pump - that is genuine emotion - forgoing the pile-up and skate down the bench - that's sportsmanship.

I'm okay with you having your opinion that it is okay for kids to copy their sports heroes - I just have a different opinion and am much more selective about who I want my kids to emulate - does that make me wrong? As far as the men and women buying the latest fashion statement - I'm on the other side of that one too. Remember Leisure Suits, bell bottoms and mullets were all in fashion at one time! Clean shaven, short hair, shirt and tie and good manners (on and off the ice) NEVER go out of style!

[Machine parent]

Let's not get to off track here. By the way, who won the 2000 level?[/quote]

Blades won. You can see all the score sheets from every level at

http://www.pointstreak.com/players/play ... agueid=520[/quote]

I thought this team wasn't any good? By the scores, they dominated. Boy, when the Blades win, you don't hear a thing, but if they lose a game it's on this blog about 5 minutes later, funny how that works.[/quote]

Don't play dumb HOTG - you KNOW the level of competition they were up against. Closest games they had were six goals games vs the Top Gun Elite and Snipers. The 2001 Blades would have won vs any of the other teams or maybe even all of them. No better way to silence the "critics" by entering a commonly known second tier tourney at the last minute after they already know who is entered (then complaining about the brackets and getting them switched around to boot)! But I'm sure it was a good tune-up for the Brick - Congrats to the Blades!

[unsportsmanlikeconduct]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

if you don't like watching team celebrations, stay home and play ping pong or something.

[hockeyfollower]

I hadn't heard of the Top Gun Elite team, so I asked some parents where they were from. They told me if was a mix of top players from Competative/ice edge?? or similiar with 3-4 strong kids from Winnipeg. The father I spoke with from the team stated they had scrimmaged the 00 Machine very close several weeks back with a weaker team tnan what they brought to this tournament. I was also told that the Snipers brought in 3 or 4 top players from the Machine when the Snipers played the Blades?

[scoreandscoreoften]

You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.

I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.

As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]

No, I acknowledge your point - playing with emotion is fine and I'm all for it - playing with SPORTSMANSHIP is different. The way most kids celebrate goals nowadays is LEARNED behavior NOT emotion. Just watch one of your beloved Blades pile-ups or skate down the bench to bump fists - ALL learned behavior (as Air Force 1 stated UND, U of M does it) . A high five or a fist pump - that is genuine emotion - forgoing the pile-up and skate down the bench - that's sportsmanship.

I'm okay with you having your opinion that it is okay for kids to copy their sports heroes - I just have a different opinion and am much more selective about who I want my kids to emulate - does that make me wrong? As far as the men and women buying the latest fashion statement - I'm on the other side of that one too. Remember Leisure Suits, bell bottoms and mullets were all in fashion at one time! Clean shaven, short hair, shirt and tie and good manners (on and off the ice) NEVER go out of style!

I don't think you do. MY POINT IS I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOT LETTING THE KIDS SHOW ANY EMOTION AT ALL. Even after they score a big goal or win a big game or tournament. And punishing them if they do.

I don't agree with excessive celebrations either. In my prior posts I stated celebration if fine if it's done in moderation, and as long as you don't show up the other team. BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR CELEBRATION IF DONE CORRECTLY.

[scoreandscoreoften]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

"They choose to do it in a different way" Who chooses? The kids choose to have no celebration? No high fives? No pats on the head? Come on, BM chooses, the coaches choose, and evidently some parents choose. But don't try and tell me the kids choose. They all know if they do show some emotion, they'll be punished. So they don't.

[Machine parent]

You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.

I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.

As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]

No, I acknowledge your point - playing with emotion is fine and I'm all for it - playing with SPORTSMANSHIP is different. The way most kids celebrate goals nowadays is LEARNED behavior NOT emotion. Just watch one of your beloved Blades pile-ups or skate down the bench to bump fists - ALL learned behavior (as Air Force 1 stated UND, U of M does it) . A high five or a fist pump - that is genuine emotion - forgoing the pile-up and skate down the bench - that's sportsmanship.

I'm okay with you having your opinion that it is okay for kids to copy their sports heroes - I just have a different opinion and am much more selective about who I want my kids to emulate - does that make me wrong? As far as the men and women buying the latest fashion statement - I'm on the other side of that one too. Remember Leisure Suits, bell bottoms and mullets were all in fashion at one time! Clean shaven, short hair, shirt and tie and good manners (on and off the ice) NEVER go out of style!

I don't think you do. MY POINT IS I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOT LETTING THE KIDS SHOW ANY EMOTION AT ALL. Even after they score a big goal or win a big game or tournament. And punishing them if they do.

I don't agree with excessive celebrations either. In my prior posts I stated celebration if fine if it's done in moderation, and as long as you don't show up the other team. BUT THERE IS ROOM FOR CELEBRATION IF DONE CORRECTLY.

So apparently you know FOR A FACT that none of the Machine teams have every celebrated a goal or otherwise? Get a clue - Plenty of emotion and celebration have been passed around happened with ALL the Machine teams. Just because there is a "story" out there that kids on one team were punished for high fiving in the locker room all of a sudden you paint all the teams with your "holier than thou" Blades brush. Go back and put on your leisure suit and check your mullet in the mirror because you sure do like your bad (Blades) self!

Once again, congrats to the 2000 Blades for their International Cup Championship!

[Machine parent]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

"They choose to do it in a different way" Who chooses? The kids choose to have no celebration? No high fives? No pats on the head? Come on, BM chooses, the coaches choose, and evidently some parents choose. But don't try and tell me the kids choose. They all know if they do show some emotion, they'll be punished. So they don't.

First of all - it's not like that anymore or mandated like that - maybe once upon a time. BM, parents AND the kids CHOOSE to be respectful and concentrate their efforts on the task at had instead of how to celebrate the next goal or championship. Secondly, do you let your kids CHOOSE everything they do? Do your kids CHOOSE to go to school or MASS or do you mandate that to them because you think it is the best thing for them or it is something you believe in?!?!?!? DO you let your kids CHOOSE what they eat all the time? Looks like popsicles, gummy bears and soda for dinner again tonight! Sometimes you have to steer kids in the right direction.

[dogeatdog1]

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

"They choose to do it in a different way" Who chooses? The kids choose to have no celebration? No high fives? No pats on the head? Come on, BM chooses, the coaches choose, and evidently some parents choose. But don't try and tell me the kids choose. They all know if they do show some emotion, they'll be punished. So they don't.

First of all - it's not like that anymore or mandated like that - maybe once upon a time. BM, parents AND the kids CHOOSE to be respectful and concentrate their efforts on the task at had instead of how to celebrate the next goal or championship. Secondly, do you let your kids CHOOSE everything they do? Do your kids CHOOSE to go to school or MASS or do you mandate that to them because you think it is the best thing for them or it is something you believe in?!?!?!? DO you let your kids CHOOSE what they eat all the time? Looks like popsicles, gummy bears and soda for dinner again tonight! Sometimes you have to steer kids in the right direction.

Now I've heard it all.... Machine and Mass in the same sentence.. IALTO!!! Machine man You my friend are THAT GUY aren't you.... Where is Jim Jones when you need him...

[Anklebeater]

Machine Parent, I guess your not going to address my last post. But I will address yours. First of all any team would like a Bob Probert on their team. Love him on your team, hate to play against him.

Hockey, like many sports are played with emotion. There's an extreme on both ends of the celebration issue. But there's nothing wrong with the middle ground, as long as you don't show up the other team. You can see the emotion on ESPN every night after a walk off single, home run, or grand slam. The whole team is at home plate celebrating. And these a grown men. How would it look if all the players stayed in the dugout, or went to the locker room, and let the guy cross home with nobody to greet him. Pretty lame!

If you want your child to play with no emotion whatsoever, be a robot, perform like a machine, go right ahead. But, I want mine to play with emotion, show his emotion at the right time and manner, and have fun.

TOTALLY missed my point - Bob Probert was a COKE HEAD (that white powder that turned him into a raging animal on the ice)- so you want your kids emulating him just because he was a good hockey player?!?!?! My whole point is this - just because other people or athletes have done it doesn't make it right. I guess that is what I admire about the Machine and their approach to this - taking the path less traveled. You talk about the Machine kids being robots when in actuality it is the kids and teams doing that excessive celebrating that are the true robots! Saw it on TV so it must be okay right? This learned behavior = robots.

I can GUARANTEE that the Machine kids aren't missing out on ANY fun (unless winning with dignity and respect isn't fun)! They just choose to do it in a different way.

Just a quick "Machine like" example for everyone to ponder:
Jerry Rice never celebrated a touchdown - just handed the ball to the nearest ref and headed to the bench.

"When you get in the endzone, act like you have been there before". - Bear Bryant

Let's not get to off track here. By the way, who won the 2000 level?

Congrats to the Blades they played a great tourney!

[Pylon]

[quote="hockeyfollower"]I hadn't heard of the Top Gun Elite team, so I asked some parents where they were from. They told me if was a mix of top players from Competative/ice edge?? or similiar with 3-4 strong kids from Winnipeg. [quote]

This is the only Top Gun organization I could find. I assume they are not the same. Was it a one shot deal type of team?

http://www.topguns.ca/sites/9948/page.a ... news_basic

[old goalie85]

Congrats to the 97 Nats....

[EnjoyTheShow]

You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.

I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.

As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]

No, I acknowledge your point - playing with emotion is fine and I'm all for it - playing with SPORTSMANSHIP is different. The way most kids celebrate goals nowadays is LEARNED behavior NOT emotion. Just watch one of your beloved Blades pile-ups or skate down the bench to bump fists - ALL learned behavior (as Air Force 1 stated UND, U of M does it) . A high five or a fist pump - that is genuine emotion - forgoing the pile-up and skate down the bench - that's sportsmanship.

I'm okay with you having your opinion that it is okay for kids to copy their sports heroes - I just have a different opinion and am much more selective about who I want my kids to emulate - does that make me wrong? As far as the men and women buying the latest fashion statement - I'm on the other side of that one too. Remember Leisure Suits, bell bottoms and mullets were all in fashion at one time! Clean shaven, short hair, shirt and tie and good manners (on and off the ice) NEVER go out of style!

Machine Parent,

what would you think if a team was punished because a few kids gave each other a high five after winning a championship of a top tear tournament?

That is precisely what happened to the 99' machine team last year after the Subway. The entire team was made to stay and do lunge walks and other things to pay for their lack of "discipline".

[EnjoyTheShow]

I hadn't heard of the Top Gun Elite team, so I asked some parents where they were from. They told me if was a mix of top players from Competative/ice edge?? or similiar with 3-4 strong kids from Winnipeg. The father I spoke with from the team stated they had scrimmaged the 00 Machine very close several weeks back with a weaker team tnan what they brought to this tournament. I was also told that the Snipers brought in 3 or 4 top players from the Machine when the Snipers played the Blades?

It wasn't competitive edge, it was the edge team from Lakeville. they had their top players, a couple top players from the the Lake superior stars, and 4 players from canada. I was told they had a very strong team.

[scoreandscoreoften]

You miss my point. The fact is sports are played with emotion. No denying that. To restrict that emotion is not natural. Definition of a robot is a mechanical being. That's what you are when you cannot show any emotion. Not someone who sees something on TV an emulates them or it. That's no different than women (or men for that matter) going out and buying the latest fashion statement. You see the latest fashions and go out and buy it. Kids see their favorite sports hero's and they go out and copy them. Don't see anything wrong with either one.

I challenge you to show me one athlete that doesn't show some kind of emotion while playing. Even the mild mannered, easy going Joe Mauer shows his emotions.

As far as your Quotes. "When you get to the end zone, act like you've been there before"
Doesn't say don't show your emotions or celebrate.[/b]

No, I acknowledge your point - playing with emotion is fine and I'm all for it - playing with SPORTSMANSHIP is different. The way most kids celebrate goals nowadays is LEARNED behavior NOT emotion. Just watch one of your beloved Blades pile-ups or skate down the bench to bump fists - ALL learned behavior (as Air Force 1 stated UND, U of M does it) . A high five or a fist pump - that is genuine emotion - forgoing the pile-up and skate down the bench - that's sportsmanship.

I'm okay with you having your opinion that it is okay for kids to copy their sports heroes - I just have a different opinion and am much more selective about who I want my kids to emulate - does that make me wrong? As far as the men and women buying the latest fashion statement - I'm on the other side of that one too. Remember Leisure Suits, bell bottoms and mullets were all in fashion at one time! Clean shaven, short hair, shirt and tie and good manners (on and off the ice) NEVER go out of style!

Machine Parent,

what would you think if a team was punished because a few kids gave each other a high five after winning a championship of a top tear tournament?

That is precisely what happened to the 99' machine team last year after the Subway. The entire team was made to stay and do lunge walks and other things to pay for their lack of "discipline".

I would guess he/she would think it's just fine, because that's the way the kids choose to do it. No celebration at all.

[Anklebeater]

After following this forum for the last several months I decided to go out and watch some of the games this past weekend. The Blades won the Championship 9-3 in a very well played game against a very good Top Gun Elite team. I was extremely impressed with the level of passing that the Blades performed with. They were an extremly unselfish team and extremly well coached. I spent alot of time watching the bench to understand the style of coaching, and I was impressed with the mix of positive praise coupled with discipline when a player(s) evidently didn't perform to the coaches satisfaction. I can't see how those on this board can put down this team of 10 year olds after what i saw this weekend. I have a grandson that will be at this age in a couple of years and I hope that my son considers this program as an option for his son.

I don't think it is jealously...I just think the Machine is frustrated with the Blades, because they don't seem to want to play the Machine... Lets face it the 2 programs could benefit from playing each other. Who cares about the outcome? Just get the kids on the ice together and this garbage on the boards will be gone!
Whoever wins the loser will want a crack at them again, could be fun, instead blogging about 10 year olds.
Obviously they are the top 2 teams in MN at this point and they seem to practice 5 or 10 minutes from each other.
Doesn't make any sense to me?


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[old goalie85]

I don't get it? Why don't they play. [ maybe the Blades are worried they won't win 20 to 0]

[sorno82]

Who are all those crazy people cheering every time Orange scores a goal? I hope it is not the parents since they should be setting the example. Remember, act like you have seen junior score a goal before.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

I don't get it? Why don't they play. [ maybe the Blades are worried they won't win 20 to 0]

Why would u worry you its not your nats or your beloved icemen who also won a game 18-1.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

I hadn't heard of the Top Gun Elite team, so I asked some parents where they were from. They told me if was a mix of top players from Competative/ice edge?? or similiar with 3-4 strong kids from Winnipeg. The father I spoke with from the team stated they had scrimmaged the 00 Machine very close several weeks back with a weaker team tnan what they brought to this tournament. I was also told that the Snipers brought in 3 or 4 top players from the Machine when the Snipers played the Blades?

Machine players played for snipers at 98 level too ... word is BM visited the locker room in strongly suggested they play for Snipers and not the Miracle if they wanted to play in Winnipeg. It didn't help though.