Hockey is awesome

wannagototherink · Post by **wannagototherink** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:30 am

muckandgrind wrote:
hiptzech wrote:
muckandgrind wrote: Kids love practices and hate games? Yeah right......
Muck,
Tell me where I said that? If you are going to put something in my face,then back it up.
Basically your whole post said just that. What you are saying: get rid of the games and take the ice time and practice. Nothing wrong with practicing, mind you, but you pull out the same ol' chiched argument that it "supposed to be about the kids"...well I can tell you without a doubt that kids prefer games with refs and scoreboards than practices and cross ice games, especially at the Bantam-level. So, if it's TRULY about the kids, then scheduling MORE games is what should be done...not fewer games.

And what do you mean by a "return on investment"? That sounds like a parent thing to me. I've never thought of hockey as an investment, personally. Development isn't my first concern...in my world, creating an enjoyable experience is the main reason with development coming in at a close second. I've never gone into coaching thinking of developing the next great D-! or NHL player, but rather the kid who loves to compete and has fun doing so.

Well Said Muck!

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:03 pm

Of course not(PEOPLE GOING TO THE MEETING), because the rule only affects the couple of committed associations, maybe 2 or 3 Blaine, Centennial, Elk River

PLEASE MORE RULES AND REGULATIONS! SHOW SOME POWER!

IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO PINE CITY,CAMBRIDGE, EVEN ST CLOUD RIDICULOUS GARBAGE THEY GOT FOR A BOARD, CHISAGO, PRINCETON, SAUK RAPIDS, I AM TIRED OF WRITING YOU GET THE POINT.

District 10 Champions in MN Hockey History
Anoka and Centennial go figure I wonder what they did to make that happen...play tough competition and 60 to 80 games a year?

smalltownhockey21 · Post by **smalltownhockey21** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:21 pm

Of course not(PEOPLE GOING TO THE MEETING), because the rule only affects the couple of committed associations, maybe 2 or 3 Blaine, Centennial, Elk River

PLEASE MORE RULES AND REGULATIONS! SHOW SOME POWER!

IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO PINE CITY,CAMBRIDGE, EVEN ST CLOUD RIDICULOUS GARBAGE THEY GOT FOR A BOARD, CHISAGO, PRINCETON, SAUK RAPIDS, I AM TIRED OF WRITING YOU GET THE POINT.

District 10 Champions in MN Hockey History
Anoka and Centennial go figure I wonder what they did to make that happen...play tough competition and 60 to 80 games a year?

Fire and Ice you are pretty upset, if it only affects three associations...three of the largest in District ten...why didn't some people go?

You are pretty quick to call other associations Board's garbage...scrimmages aren't everything. And if its a big problem don't have ref's or a scoreboard.

We all know people keep score without the refs..

If you want change do something yourself instead of complaining and throwing insults at other people.

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:29 pm

What does size have to do with anything?

The point is those programs do what they think is right for them. The others whine that they can't compete. Less rules more solutions.

TIME TO WORK HARDER.

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:09 pm

If you make decisions have a legitimate reason. Not signing rosters until the middle of Nov because it is more convenient for you or your cronies is ridiculous. If it is because you don't want certain programs getting off the ground faster than others that is also ridiculous so please tell us all why you would hold back your best programs???

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:43 am

The District Director no longer signs the rosters.
If you have a D10 tentative activity schedule from April as I had you would have seen the scheduled date for the sign off was last Saturday. When I asked the question why, the answer was that the association registrars requested the date be set back to give them time to complete the work they have to do.

Problems occur when coaches or managers delay in getting the players and coaches to sign the roster, quite a few feel it is not that important, the getting of all birth certificates, coached cards and back round checks filled out, consent to treat and if needed the signed waiver. The requests came from the larger associations I was informed. If you don't believe this talk with your registrar after the sign off's are done right now they are very busy and usually when they ask for help from members in the association their requests go unanswered.

Another thought supposed a team played a large number of scrimmages with a temporary roster and on the 15th such game a player suffered an injury such as Ben Peyton did many years ago. Do you think the insurance lawyers would interpret the word "few" to mean 15, I highly doubt it. That would leave the family with only their own insurance and income to pay for the bills. Is that a chance one should take?

PWD10 · Post by **PWD10** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:49 am

Another thought supposed a team played a large number of scrimmages with a temporary roster and on the 15th such game a player suffered an injury such as Ben Peyton did many years ago. Do you think the insurance lawyers would interpret the word "few" to mean 15, I highly doubt it. That would leave the family with only their own insurance and income to pay for the bills. Is that a chance one should take?

Do you think a player who is injured after 35 practices on a temporary roster is any less injured then a kid who might have played in 15 scrimmages? I don't. I also seriously doubt that anyone would withhold medical treatment or insurance from an injured player under the age of 18 for any reason as the public outcry would more then outweigh any possible benefit from doing so.

I would add that scrimmages might actually increase the risk of a child getting injured. I mean as a juror I would think a tired player that has been injured say 20 minutes after a game would have been typically over, at that age group might have cause. Tired and fatigue is usually often sited as one of the most common causes of an accident and or an injury.

The military considers the term "FEW" for reporting purposes to be at least two to a maximum of seven. Many is any more then that. So dependent on the background, a few could be more then three. I am not really arguing this point except pointing out that jurors with different backgrounds might have another interpretation of that term.

I might add all organizations children make sacrifices. We have 9 players who play on 5 different teams playing this past weekend. However all of them missed the Minnesota Wild game on Friday night which our organization had block tickets for as they practiced. We missed a good portion of Halloween on Saturday...as they practiced. We missed the Vikings game on Sunday...as they practiced. On Monday night we were practicing too and missed that meeting in Champlain.

I still stand by the assertion that our hands are tied by the district. We should be able once we finalize the team, to get rosters signed and made permanent at any time. It is just not the little guys that make sacrifices...so do the big boys too.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:58 am

What the...?

Isn't it a little early in the morning to blow a 1.8?

Spinerama · Post by **Spinerama** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:19 pm

Fire and Ice wrote:What does size have to do with anything?

The point is those programs do what they think is right for them. The others whine that they can't compete. Less rules more solutions.

TIME TO WORK HARDER.

You mean that size, does not matter?

skills_coach1 · Post by **skills_coach1** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:41 pm

Fire and Ice wrote: IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO PINE CITY,CAMBRIDGE, EVEN ST CLOUD RIDICULOUS GARBAGE THEY GOT FOR A BOARD, CHISAGO, PRINCETON, SAUK RAPIDS, I AM TIRED OF WRITING YOU GET THE POINT.

District 10 Champions in MN Hockey History
Anoka and Centennial go figure I wonder what they did to make that happen...play tough competition and 60 to 80 games a year?

Whoa there F and I...... Sheesh. We were also were put in a bind in STC with the scrimmage deal. We actually had/have four scheduled prior to the sign-off... All you need to do is get an OK with your roster in... What is the big deal... Take a chill and have a good time.

Oh yeah, I forgot the record of a 12-14 year-olds team or association is what's most important...... What ever!

Fire and Ice · Post by **Fire and Ice** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:08 pm

Skills coach 1 where in my discussion do I say anything about wins and losses. I merely state a fact about 2 programs that have had post season successby doing things the way they see fit for there players. Not some district guys who cant skate telling everyone that they should do it a certain way.

Should it be the same for everyone?

I dont know for sure but I believe the past few Centennial bantam teams were about 500 and still ended up in state champioship games and post season play? I am sure someone knows for sure.

But I said nothing about wins and losses.

skills_coach1 · Post by **skills_coach1** » Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:51 pm

Fire and Ice wrote:Skills coach 1 where in my discussion do I say anything about wins and losses. I merely state a fact about 2 programs that have had post season successby doing things the way they see fit for there players. Not some district guys who cant skate telling everyone that they should do it a certain way.

Should it be the same for everyone?

I dont know for sure but I believe the past few Centennial bantam teams were about 500 and still ended up in state champioship games and post season play? I am sure someone knows for sure.

But I said nothing about wins and losses.

Yeah I suppose your right... you said nothing about it, but your tone and implication was that it is important.... Or I should say that was the impression I got and the reason for my response in that regard. I don't think we need to argue about the need for some scrimmages... There is a need to improve skills and help the development of all these kids regardless of level....
Something that was brought up at the level 5 symposium this past summer... Kids don't truly develop their full potential until the age of 22..... anything before that and you are guessing... (this was from John Tortarella, among others about rookies in the NHL).

Just thought I would also chime in that I think a couple bad apples that abused the system seemed to get the district all freaked out. Especially in this day and age of legal mumbo-jumbo.

Interesting discussion either way....