2007 Coaching Vacancies

[ghshockeyfan]

Do you trade youth/connection & new ideas for experience? Not sure, but in general this seems to be the theory in G Hockey in MN HS game...

Fortune 500 companies are scared of losing all the expertise of their aging workers and know the underestimated impact this will have on their companies.

We see 25% turnover each year in G HS Hockey coaching...

Not everything translates, but this may be one area that maybe we need to rethink coaching wise... Remember too that coaches don't get fortune 500 salaries! We rely on their "love of the game" which wears off quick when constantly attacked for any reason when a parent percieves their kid is being "wronged."

I think we're losing many of the best due to this level of turnover, and many are too blinded by their personal situations to realize the impact and loss that this truly is.

It may be that the best coaches are smart enough to move on and/or burn out fighting the admin. stuff with parents daily, etc. I would say too much of my job is now admin, and not enough is actual coaching. Can you imagine if that was the other way around and how the kids would benifit from this???

[hockeygod]

Shane Krey out at HM. Bill Schafhausen in.

We lost another long-time coach. The trend continues...

Yep, and this sounds way too much like the Gravel situation at BSM a year ago, doesn't it. How did that turn out?

It wasn't so much a Gravel situation, it was a loss of respect form the team and parents situation and it wasn't so much of the parents being upset with the teams play but the coaches totally ignoring the problems as they came up. I have first hand knowledge of this situation and coach Krey chose not to deal with any problems, he just ignored everything and went on with how he wanted to do things. As for the parents this was a total shock to all of us. there were a group of 5 players who were looking for another place to play next year and I don't think the AD or the coaches were even aware of this.

[hockeygod]

I just spoke to one of the parents who is much closer to the situation with HM than me and he said that it was just time for a change. That coach Kreys efforts were appreciated but the program had out grown him and that Bill Schafhauser is the real deal when it comes to coaching and would be a step up for many girls hockey programs....He was much more diplomatic than me about coach Krey moving on, but he said esentially the same as me, Coach Krey didn't change with the times.

[Cornermukker]

Brainerd's Jim Ernster has resigned just this week.

[ghshockeyfan]

Brainerd's Jim Ernster has resigned just this week.

Unfortunate, another coach with experience gone...

[finance_gal]

You talk about them like there dead..most that want to coach will turn up somewhere won't they?

[ghshockeyfan]

We had better start a list...

In alphabetical order (order of opening in () as well as approx. opening date)

1 Brainerd (4 - 3/7) - TBD
2 Hill Murray (3 - 3/6) - Bill Schafhausen
3 Rochester (2 - 3/5) - TBD
4 St. Louis Park (1 - 2/15) - TBD

If this is right 4 of 127 jobs opened this year (3.2%). I don't count the co-op splits/combines & "New Programs". I only count/post verified (MSHSL/District/Team Website/Newspaper posting) positions...

Past years to this year comparison:

2007 = 4 of 127 jobs opened this year so far... (3.2%)
2006 = 32 of 124 jobs opened this year (25.8%)
2005 = 25 of 122 jobs opened this year (20.5%).
2004 = 21 of 122 jobs opened this year (17.2%).

[ghshockeyfan]

You talk about them like there dead..most that want to coach will turn up somewhere won't they?

Not if they're smart!

[finance_gal]

it would be interesting to see how many left volentarily and how many are forced out...

[ghshockeyfan]

it would be interesting to see how many left volentarily and how many are forced out...

Or, to see how many were forced to leave "voluntarily..."

[finance_gal]

I work in a law office and I see lawyers all the time that wouldn't want to defend my chidren if they were going to court. I think people feel the same way about there kids hockey coaches.

[ghshockeyfan]

I work in a law office and I see lawyers all the time that wouldn't want to defend my chidren if they were going to court. I think people feel the same way about there kids hockey coaches.

True!

[finance_gal]

I was indifferent about my girls coach, maybe I shouldn't have been, but when I look back his downfall was he didn't relize that parents pay around $10,000 per year to send there kids to that school and they wanted their opinions to at least be respected.

[ghshockeyfan]

I was indifferent about my girls coach, maybe I shouldn't have been, but when I look back his downfall was he didn't relize that parents pay around $10,000 per year to send there kids to that school and they wanted their opinions to at least be respected.

I believe that public school parents feel the same way as far as the taxes they pay.

All I would ever ask is that people try to step out of the position of being a parent and try to see things for the reality that they may be vs. the perceptions that may not be true.

This is not about any specific situaiton, but instead a general thought.

[finance_gal]

very true. I just see the money coming directly out of my checkbook so I think it affects private school families more and so I think it makes the coaching for one of them pretty tough. If your the Athetic Director at one of these schools you also have the pressure to keep your customers, the parents, happy and this in turn places pressure on the coach. Being as competitive as most coaches are, when they are confronted with problems they tend to push back and thats where problems happen.

[gopher25]

I think most coaches will listen to parents whether they are paying tuition/taxes or whatever. However, as a natural instinct parents are going to look out for their player before what is best for the team at times. This is where the conflict is. Also parents don't always get the full side of stories and this often causes parents to get really upset at the coach when things aren't even the coaches fault. It will always be this way. I also think parents have unrealistic expectations of coaches sometimes as far as what a coach really can do for a player. I think a coaches job is to 1. Develop players on and off of the ice. 2. Create stable and fun environment. 3. at the high school level help players realize that school is more important than hockey.

I believe if a coach can do most of the above parents hould lay off and winning will come. However, sports are usually ranked on how well a coach does in wins vs. losses, which in my opinion is unfair at the high school level.

[ghshockeyfan]

I've long been under the impression that indirectly the parents pay my salary as a public school coach. It helped me get in this mindset in that I worked 7 years as a public employee before coaching in the public schools...

Perception vs. reality is the #1 issue as always with anything. Kids usually bring home one very tainted version of reality. That is what causes the most drama, and then especially so when a parent thinks their child can do no wrong and will protect them no matter what. This is why I think communication is so critical. It can be a blessing and a curse to communicate so much directly to the parents, but it has saved me some grief over the years too. There's no room for misinterpretation in what I put in writing. There is too much so in using a teenager as the messenger...

[JJhockeySS]

he didn't relize that parents pay around $10,000 per year to send there kids to that school and they wanted their opinions to at least be respected.

When I see this it makes me wonder how many of those parents who wanted their opinions to be respected, would call/ or better yet email a classroom teacher and tell them how they feel they should be teaching their class.

However, as a natural instinct parents are going to look out for their player before what is best for the team at times. This is where the conflict is. Also parents don't always get the full side of stories and this often causes parents to get really upset at the coach when things aren't even the coaches fault. It will always be this way. I also think parents have unrealistic expectations of coaches sometimes as far as what a coach really can do for a player. I think a coaches job is to 1. Develop players on and off of the ice. 2. Create stable and fun environment. 3. at the high school level help players realize that school is more important than hockey.

I think gopher25 has some key points, and it is easy to observe from the stands, hear your child's perspective, and then draw a conclusion that you think sounds logical. When in reality there is much more going on than you can ever anticipate. The coaches, who to most this is a part time job that they take because they want to give back to the game, have their hands full just trying to get their team all on the same page. It seems that a lot of parents are quick to second guess a coach, with no understanding of what went in to the thought process behind their decision. Then seem to want to offer their help/opinion (i.e. I don't think our PP is successful b/c you have the wrong people on the ice), when the coach has made his choice based on what he sees in practice on a regular basis, a players ability to pick up the concepts, the particular skill set in relation to what is required to run their position, players basic ability, players ability to perform under pressure, players ability to work well with others on the unit, etc.

I know a lot of coaches, and can't say that I have run into any who want their players to fail, or be bad. All coaches try to do everything in their power to get the best out of their athletes, while teaching them life lessons along the way. They have to make difficult decisions, and no matter what they decide they will never have 100% support, but they have to trust their instincts, and make decisions that are the best for their entire team, and the continued success of the program as a whole. I am very concerned about the turnover rate of coaches. If we are turning over positions at a rate of 25% per year, my out-state, small town math tells me the average coach lasts 4 years or less in a job. With that we are weeding out some coaches that the game may have outgrown, and bringing in new blood which is good for the game. The downside is in that group are a core group of very skilled and quality coaches who are choosing to walk away from the game. Many times they cite "to spend more time with my family", but the truth is most are pushed out by the demands placed on them to be more than human. We are loosing people who have been instrumental to developing the girls game to the level we know it today. I don't believe that is good for the game.

[hockeygod]

I watched alot of girls hockey over the past 3 season...alot...and from what I've seen about 10 to 15% of the coaches should not be coaching for alot of reasons, some are disorginized, some don't talk to there girls, some don't seem to care, some are even verbally abusive to the girls. theses are people that shouldn't be coaching. so that leaves 10 to15% of the coaches that were wrongfully forced out these are the people that need the support. as for an average run of 4 years for a coach, that seems a little short, I think if a coach can put togeather a run of 10 years at one school they should look at it as they had the support they needed from administration and maybe they too needed a fresh start somewhere new. As for the bad coaches, unfortenatly for sports these are the people that can't seem to give it up and get recycled in one form or another an just spread there vile team eating cancer wherever the go.....as for Coach Krey he was not a bad coach and he will do well building a program somewhere and that seems to be where he shines but he just wasn't very good at maintaining what he built and taking it to the next level....and I sincerely do wish him well in his next endevor

[ghshockeyfan]

Pretty quiet so far... Good to see for a change... I see there are a few boys jobs open - New Prague, Forest Lake and Park of Cottage Grove...

[ghshockeyfan]

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Title: Head Girls Hockey Coach
School: Bloomington Jefferson High School
Send Resumes to:
Teri Roder- Athletic Coordinator
4001 W 102nd Street
Bloomington, MN 55437-2699 For More Info:
Teri Roder
952-806-7628
troder@bloomington.k12.mn.us

Deadline: 5/3/07 Start: 10/29/07
Description: Administer all aspects of the Jefferson Girls Hockey Program.

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[ghshockeyfan]

In alphabetical order (order of opening in () as well as approx. opening date)

1 Brainerd (4 - 3/7) - TBD
2 Bloomington Jefferson (6 - 4/15) - TBD
3 Hill Murray (3 - 3/6) - Bill Schafhauser
4 Holy Family/Waconia (4 - ?) - TBD - 1st year V this year, JV only last in 1st year
5 Rochester Mayo (2 - 3/5) - TBD
6 St. Louis Park (1 - 2/15) - TBD

If this is right 5 of 127 jobs opened this year (3.9%). I don't count the co-op splits/combines & "New Programs". I only count/post verified (MSHSL/District/Team Website/Newspaper posting) positions...

Past years to this year comparison:

2007 = 5 of 127 jobs opened this year so far... (3.9%)
2006 = 32 of 124 jobs opened this year (25.8%)
2005 = 25 of 122 jobs opened this year (20.5%)
2004 = 21 of 122 jobs opened this year (17.2%)

[SportsMa]

If they are new coaches and school districts are going through cuts right now. This may increase. Hope not as it is tough on a program.

[Rocketwrister]

Jim Ernster stepped down or..? I didn't know that was vacant. Anyone have any information on Brainerd's coaching situation?

[Cornermukker]

Jim Ernster stepped down or..? I didn't know that was vacant. Anyone have any information on Brainerd's coaching situation?

Jim resigned early in March. I have not heard anything on a new coach yet. I have heard some names of locals interested, but I am pretty certain that the ones I know about will not be in the running. I could be wrong. I would think they are looking for someone with HS coaching experience. Most I have heard of do not have that.